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Should we get more information about that original test up there? (i.e. the date?) It's such a symbolically important event. How much is known though? DHDiamond ( talk) 17:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the large data dump that looked suspiciously like a copyvio. If it wasn't, the data (which is still in the page history) will need to be better integrated into the article text. I've started this with the infobox, and I intend to return to this article with a few references that I've got for early locomotives (including White, John H. Jr. (1968). A history of the American locomotive; its development: 1830–1880. New York, NY: Dover Publications. ISBN 0-486-23818-0.). Slambo (Speak) 10:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Sagle provides calculated dimensions for the original engine as against those of the replica, and I emphasize "calculated" (meaning worked out on the basis of statements from Cooper, Latrobe, one W. H. Brown, and Ross Winans). I'd like a second opinion as to whether to substitute those for the dimensions of the replica.
Also, Sagle doesn't mention a belt between the two axles, and I don't see any indications of one in any of his illustrations. I don't have White to check against but you should recheck to make sure that this isn't a misunderstood version of the belt that drove the blower. Mangoe 04:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Looks like 0-2-2 is the correct configuration with the drawings also published in the current issue of Railway Age. I've updated the text and added the ref. Slambo (Speak) 20:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Here the article states that Coopers TT was an 0-2-2 which makes more sense if you follow Whyte Notation but I've seen a few articles else where that claim it was an 0-4-0 (trains.com being one of them) which doesn't make sense to me or by the standard. The simple fact that proves it wrong is that there was only 2 drive wheels via one driven axle and 2 trailing wheels (0-2-2). If it were an 0-4-0 it would require no leading wheels, 4 driven wheels and no trailing wheels. I know which one is true and I don't dispute the editors entry; but shouldn't that statement be cited just to minimize any opportunity for someone to argue about it? I've tried to find citations but unfortunately the only ones I found that even mention it's Whyte Notation class is trains.com and a few others that look like they got their info from trains.com. Not a complaint just a thought.
Tom Thumb was indeed 2-2-0, 2 front guide wheels, 2 driven wheels and 0 trailing wheels. Although this locomotive was designed before Whyte notations were standard it does make better sense to follow it. -- DP67 talk/ contribs 22:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
There are many links that containing several different dates of the race between Tom Thumb and the horse. Wich date is correct August 18 1830 [1] [2] [3] or September 18 1830 [4] [5] or August 25 1829 [6]? Blast furnace chip worker ( talk) 14:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
If August 25 1829 is not the date of the race then there is a mistake in Wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1829_in_rail_transport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blast furnace chip worker ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC) Italic text
The name "Tom Thumb" was coined by John H. B. Latrobe in a speech at the Maryland Institute on March 23, 1868. In his speech he said, "But the triumph of this Tom Thumb engine was not altogether without a drawback. The great stage proprietors of the day were Stockton & Stokes; and on this occasion a gallant gray of great beauty and power was driven by them from town, attached to another car on the second track—for the company had begun by making two tracks to the Mills—and met the engine at the Relay House on its way back." Once Peter Cooper read Latrobe's speech, he also started using the name "Tom Thumb" for the engine, and it stuck. The locomotive was called "Alderman Cooper's engine/locomotive" during the time of it's use. Grimm1966 ( talk) 08:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
This is an interesting piece of trivia, but needs a citation for it to be included. Hopefully you or someone else can provide it? Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib ( talk) 03:45, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
If someone can find this, it would be interesting to add to the article: what was the blower belt made of? It predated vulcanized rubber. It seems that leather would tend to slip. Also, how were the gas line connections made? I suppose the temperatures involved could have been low enough to allow the use of lead solder, but that doesn't make a really strong connection. Dakane2 ( talk) 15:56, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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Should we get more information about that original test up there? (i.e. the date?) It's such a symbolically important event. How much is known though? DHDiamond ( talk) 17:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the large data dump that looked suspiciously like a copyvio. If it wasn't, the data (which is still in the page history) will need to be better integrated into the article text. I've started this with the infobox, and I intend to return to this article with a few references that I've got for early locomotives (including White, John H. Jr. (1968). A history of the American locomotive; its development: 1830–1880. New York, NY: Dover Publications. ISBN 0-486-23818-0.). Slambo (Speak) 10:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Sagle provides calculated dimensions for the original engine as against those of the replica, and I emphasize "calculated" (meaning worked out on the basis of statements from Cooper, Latrobe, one W. H. Brown, and Ross Winans). I'd like a second opinion as to whether to substitute those for the dimensions of the replica.
Also, Sagle doesn't mention a belt between the two axles, and I don't see any indications of one in any of his illustrations. I don't have White to check against but you should recheck to make sure that this isn't a misunderstood version of the belt that drove the blower. Mangoe 04:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Looks like 0-2-2 is the correct configuration with the drawings also published in the current issue of Railway Age. I've updated the text and added the ref. Slambo (Speak) 20:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Here the article states that Coopers TT was an 0-2-2 which makes more sense if you follow Whyte Notation but I've seen a few articles else where that claim it was an 0-4-0 (trains.com being one of them) which doesn't make sense to me or by the standard. The simple fact that proves it wrong is that there was only 2 drive wheels via one driven axle and 2 trailing wheels (0-2-2). If it were an 0-4-0 it would require no leading wheels, 4 driven wheels and no trailing wheels. I know which one is true and I don't dispute the editors entry; but shouldn't that statement be cited just to minimize any opportunity for someone to argue about it? I've tried to find citations but unfortunately the only ones I found that even mention it's Whyte Notation class is trains.com and a few others that look like they got their info from trains.com. Not a complaint just a thought.
Tom Thumb was indeed 2-2-0, 2 front guide wheels, 2 driven wheels and 0 trailing wheels. Although this locomotive was designed before Whyte notations were standard it does make better sense to follow it. -- DP67 talk/ contribs 22:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
There are many links that containing several different dates of the race between Tom Thumb and the horse. Wich date is correct August 18 1830 [1] [2] [3] or September 18 1830 [4] [5] or August 25 1829 [6]? Blast furnace chip worker ( talk) 14:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
If August 25 1829 is not the date of the race then there is a mistake in Wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1829_in_rail_transport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blast furnace chip worker ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC) Italic text
The name "Tom Thumb" was coined by John H. B. Latrobe in a speech at the Maryland Institute on March 23, 1868. In his speech he said, "But the triumph of this Tom Thumb engine was not altogether without a drawback. The great stage proprietors of the day were Stockton & Stokes; and on this occasion a gallant gray of great beauty and power was driven by them from town, attached to another car on the second track—for the company had begun by making two tracks to the Mills—and met the engine at the Relay House on its way back." Once Peter Cooper read Latrobe's speech, he also started using the name "Tom Thumb" for the engine, and it stuck. The locomotive was called "Alderman Cooper's engine/locomotive" during the time of it's use. Grimm1966 ( talk) 08:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
This is an interesting piece of trivia, but needs a citation for it to be included. Hopefully you or someone else can provide it? Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib ( talk) 03:45, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
If someone can find this, it would be interesting to add to the article: what was the blower belt made of? It predated vulcanized rubber. It seems that leather would tend to slip. Also, how were the gas line connections made? I suppose the temperatures involved could have been low enough to allow the use of lead solder, but that doesn't make a really strong connection. Dakane2 ( talk) 15:56, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
The redirect
Great Train Race has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 13 § Great Train Race until a consensus is reached.
Fork99 (
talk)
23:36, 13 October 2023 (UTC)