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Do we really need the section on a horse at a state fair? — JonathanDP81 ( Talk | contribs) 03:58, 3 December 2004 (UTC)
Could someone add some qualifications, if any, to lead Homeland Security? Did he have any background in espionage, counterterrorism, or middle-eastern studies? Did he ever work in, on, or around personal or corporate security (e.g., Pinkerton Agency), law-enforcement, civil defense, or emergency management? What was his role in Vietnam? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.222.243.78 ( talk) 18:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
I was just reading up on the prospectus of Vonage, the broadband telephone company that's going through the final stages of their IPO process as I speak, and I noticed that "Governor Thomas J Ridge" is a Directory of that company named in the prospectus. I think it might be useful/informative/etc if both this page and the Vonage page were updated to that effect, since we mention Home Depot here, and there is a "Key Persons" on the Vonage entry, but the connection isn't shown on eithre at the moment. The connection of such a strong political figure to an up and coming tech company going through an IPO is significant (and a connection between a former homeland security guy and phone company could raise privacy concerns for some consipracy theorists). I leave these edits to others, I don't feel up to the task. The prospectus where I found the link is:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1272830/000104746906007477/a2169686zs-1a.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.55.227.210 ( talk) 15:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest the addition of this section, and the corresponding citation:
On May 10, 2005, Ridge reveals that virtually all of the six terror alerts issued by DHS between the time of the first alert (February 12, 2002) and the November 2 election were based on the flimsiest of evidence, and had been issued primarily for polictical purposes. Ridge's protests over the lack of credible intelligence and the political uses of the terror alerts were routinely overruled by other administration officials, most notably Attorney General John Ashcroft. "There were times when some people were really aggressive about raising it,"Ridge recalls, "and we said, 'For that?'" Of course, at the time, Ridge was quite compliant towards the administration's wishes for terror alerts, as when he said of the thoroughly unwarranted August 1, 2004 alert, "We don't do politics in the DHS." And Ridge spent plenty of time consulting with GOP political operatives and stumping for Bush on the campaign trail.
USA Today, May 10, 2005, "Ridge Reveals Clashes on Alerts," http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-10-ridge-alerts_x.htm
Al Franken, The Truth, With Jokes, ©2005 Dutton
If there are no objections, I will add this shortly. -- Black Max 17:13, 5 August 2006
Because this firm was recently acquired by Lockheed Martin, it's not clear to me that it still has a "board" on which to serve. Anybody know? For the moment I'm stifling my impulse to delete the reference, and merely adding a fact tag instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DagnyB ( talk • contribs) 00:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Does his bronze star have a "v"? Some superficial googling seems to indicate that it does but couldn't find a good source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.170.233 ( talk) 02:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Tom Ridge is no longer listed as a Senior Advisor to Deloitte. Both reference links are dead, including his previous listing on Deloitte's website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jslot38 ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
At this point, I feel the section is well-sourced and written in a neutral manner. I have revised the content multiple times and have received only removals stating the content was NNPOV or utilizing politicized sources. As this has been remedied, I fail to see the current complication with the content. I am perfectly happy to revise it, but I do not feel that a person whose background that matches Mr. Ridge's support for a terrorist group that killed Americans on a paid basis both before and after the de-listing is a subject that ought to be entirely ignored.
As there have been no suggestions or improvements, I fail to see an adequate method for dispute resolution.
172.56.3.194 ( talk) 04:54, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Ridge provided paid advocacy [quote 1] for the People's Mujahedin of Iran (MEK, also PMOI, MKO), [quote 2] a group listed on the United States State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations until September 2012. [quote 3] While critics argued that Ridge might have violated federal law and provided the FTO material support, [quote 4] Ridge was vehement in his support and ultimately co-authored an article arguing that his advocacy was independent and not illegal and that the group was not a terrorist organization. [quote 5]
None of the sources listed state that Tom Ridge provided paid advocacy to the organization in question. Using the Ohio.com and State Department refs is WP:SYN, and Youtube is not a reliable source. This is walking a dangerous line on a biography of a living person. There is not consensus at this time to add this information.
172.56.3.190 ( talk) 17:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This RFC should apply to multiple articles, specifically Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, Fran Townsend and Ted Poe. The articles in question were initially removed due to a legitimate point about them being written in a NNPOV. They were revised to be more neutral. They were subsequently removed stating that the sources were not reliable. They were revised to include more reliable sources. This pattern persisted. I then began to include a section that legitimately is using unreliable sources (political opposition group of the MEK) that I copy pasted from an article that was considered acceptable. You can see it in the last revision of Tom Ridge's page prior to my addition. Furthermore, the title of the section includes NNPOV by referencing the organization as "terrorist" (in quotes), when there is little objective question that at various points in the organizations past the group engaged in terrorism and was listed by the US State Department as a foreign terrorist organization.
The persons removing the articles find those additions to be well-sourced and neutral despite that they are quite obviously neither. The sections are being removed with complaints that are using technical loopholes of the WP process to further the political agenda to suppress the information about several US politicians and officials questionable support of a formerly listed FTO.
I am more than happy to edit or revise content to make it more palatable, however, it seems clearly evident that the issue is not my content or any of the cited rationales as the content that is being reverted more clearly fits the criteria mine is being removed on.
172.56.3.190 ( talk) 18:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't want to mess with the actual page (I don't understand how to link things, etc.). Can someone please add this under Ridge's recognition section? Thanks.
http://www.mercyhurst.edu/news/mercyhurst-dedicates-new-intel-school-named-after-gov-tom-ridge — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.22.97 ( talk) 01:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Type in Tom Ridge Gosnell in the Internet and you will find plenty of articles stating that Tom Ridge as Governor was the, "Chief Enabler," directing the Pennsylvania Health Department to ignore the many complaints against Kermit Gosnell's Abortion Clinic. This should be part of the article. For Example: < https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/this-fall-unearthing-gosnells-ghosts> Easeltine ( talk) 14:48, 29 April 2019 (UTC Easeltine ( talk) 14:53, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
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Do we really need the section on a horse at a state fair? — JonathanDP81 ( Talk | contribs) 03:58, 3 December 2004 (UTC)
Could someone add some qualifications, if any, to lead Homeland Security? Did he have any background in espionage, counterterrorism, or middle-eastern studies? Did he ever work in, on, or around personal or corporate security (e.g., Pinkerton Agency), law-enforcement, civil defense, or emergency management? What was his role in Vietnam? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.222.243.78 ( talk) 18:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
I was just reading up on the prospectus of Vonage, the broadband telephone company that's going through the final stages of their IPO process as I speak, and I noticed that "Governor Thomas J Ridge" is a Directory of that company named in the prospectus. I think it might be useful/informative/etc if both this page and the Vonage page were updated to that effect, since we mention Home Depot here, and there is a "Key Persons" on the Vonage entry, but the connection isn't shown on eithre at the moment. The connection of such a strong political figure to an up and coming tech company going through an IPO is significant (and a connection between a former homeland security guy and phone company could raise privacy concerns for some consipracy theorists). I leave these edits to others, I don't feel up to the task. The prospectus where I found the link is:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1272830/000104746906007477/a2169686zs-1a.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.55.227.210 ( talk) 15:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest the addition of this section, and the corresponding citation:
On May 10, 2005, Ridge reveals that virtually all of the six terror alerts issued by DHS between the time of the first alert (February 12, 2002) and the November 2 election were based on the flimsiest of evidence, and had been issued primarily for polictical purposes. Ridge's protests over the lack of credible intelligence and the political uses of the terror alerts were routinely overruled by other administration officials, most notably Attorney General John Ashcroft. "There were times when some people were really aggressive about raising it,"Ridge recalls, "and we said, 'For that?'" Of course, at the time, Ridge was quite compliant towards the administration's wishes for terror alerts, as when he said of the thoroughly unwarranted August 1, 2004 alert, "We don't do politics in the DHS." And Ridge spent plenty of time consulting with GOP political operatives and stumping for Bush on the campaign trail.
USA Today, May 10, 2005, "Ridge Reveals Clashes on Alerts," http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-10-ridge-alerts_x.htm
Al Franken, The Truth, With Jokes, ©2005 Dutton
If there are no objections, I will add this shortly. -- Black Max 17:13, 5 August 2006
Because this firm was recently acquired by Lockheed Martin, it's not clear to me that it still has a "board" on which to serve. Anybody know? For the moment I'm stifling my impulse to delete the reference, and merely adding a fact tag instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DagnyB ( talk • contribs) 00:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Does his bronze star have a "v"? Some superficial googling seems to indicate that it does but couldn't find a good source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.170.233 ( talk) 02:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Tom Ridge is no longer listed as a Senior Advisor to Deloitte. Both reference links are dead, including his previous listing on Deloitte's website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jslot38 ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
At this point, I feel the section is well-sourced and written in a neutral manner. I have revised the content multiple times and have received only removals stating the content was NNPOV or utilizing politicized sources. As this has been remedied, I fail to see the current complication with the content. I am perfectly happy to revise it, but I do not feel that a person whose background that matches Mr. Ridge's support for a terrorist group that killed Americans on a paid basis both before and after the de-listing is a subject that ought to be entirely ignored.
As there have been no suggestions or improvements, I fail to see an adequate method for dispute resolution.
172.56.3.194 ( talk) 04:54, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Ridge provided paid advocacy [quote 1] for the People's Mujahedin of Iran (MEK, also PMOI, MKO), [quote 2] a group listed on the United States State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations until September 2012. [quote 3] While critics argued that Ridge might have violated federal law and provided the FTO material support, [quote 4] Ridge was vehement in his support and ultimately co-authored an article arguing that his advocacy was independent and not illegal and that the group was not a terrorist organization. [quote 5]
None of the sources listed state that Tom Ridge provided paid advocacy to the organization in question. Using the Ohio.com and State Department refs is WP:SYN, and Youtube is not a reliable source. This is walking a dangerous line on a biography of a living person. There is not consensus at this time to add this information.
172.56.3.190 ( talk) 17:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This RFC should apply to multiple articles, specifically Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, Fran Townsend and Ted Poe. The articles in question were initially removed due to a legitimate point about them being written in a NNPOV. They were revised to be more neutral. They were subsequently removed stating that the sources were not reliable. They were revised to include more reliable sources. This pattern persisted. I then began to include a section that legitimately is using unreliable sources (political opposition group of the MEK) that I copy pasted from an article that was considered acceptable. You can see it in the last revision of Tom Ridge's page prior to my addition. Furthermore, the title of the section includes NNPOV by referencing the organization as "terrorist" (in quotes), when there is little objective question that at various points in the organizations past the group engaged in terrorism and was listed by the US State Department as a foreign terrorist organization.
The persons removing the articles find those additions to be well-sourced and neutral despite that they are quite obviously neither. The sections are being removed with complaints that are using technical loopholes of the WP process to further the political agenda to suppress the information about several US politicians and officials questionable support of a formerly listed FTO.
I am more than happy to edit or revise content to make it more palatable, however, it seems clearly evident that the issue is not my content or any of the cited rationales as the content that is being reverted more clearly fits the criteria mine is being removed on.
172.56.3.190 ( talk) 18:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't want to mess with the actual page (I don't understand how to link things, etc.). Can someone please add this under Ridge's recognition section? Thanks.
http://www.mercyhurst.edu/news/mercyhurst-dedicates-new-intel-school-named-after-gov-tom-ridge — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.22.97 ( talk) 01:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Type in Tom Ridge Gosnell in the Internet and you will find plenty of articles stating that Tom Ridge as Governor was the, "Chief Enabler," directing the Pennsylvania Health Department to ignore the many complaints against Kermit Gosnell's Abortion Clinic. This should be part of the article. For Example: < https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/this-fall-unearthing-gosnells-ghosts> Easeltine ( talk) 14:48, 29 April 2019 (UTC Easeltine ( talk) 14:53, 29 April 2019 (UTC)