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A search on the internet suggests the widely accepted dates for the fights between Cribb and Molineaux are 1810 and 1811. These dates are reported by, among others, the International Boxing Hall of Fame, the National Portrait Gallery. Average Earthman 18:04, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
He then fought a black American, former slave Tom Molineaux, to become world champion – a defeat he repeated in 1811. Should this not be a victory he repeated as the winner (Cribb) is the subject of the article?
Thryduulf 02:29, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Vs Tom Molineaux ?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.246.254 ( talk) 19:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
The link to Barclay seems to be to another Robert Barclay entirely. Should be either corrected or the link removed. Epeeist smudge 08:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Are there any contemporary sources calling him "world champion"? It seems like a rather anachronistic claim for a time when professional boxing wasn't organized on any global scale. The claim is currently unsourced. -- Hegvald ( talk) 06:52, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
I've made a few changes to the text…
The article used to mention different points at which Cribb became English champion, British champion and World champion. However, back in Cribb’s day, only one title existed - English Champion. I’ve therefore removed the references to the British and World championships. It's obviously tempting to think that the Cribb vs Molineux fights were for the world championship, but since no such title existed the claim is clearly dubious. I cannot see any reference in any of the contemporary literature to back up the claim. (See also, the previous comment above by Hegvald.)
There is currently a gap in the narrative of Cribb’s career where no mention is made to the fights Cribb fought between Cribb-Nicholls and Cribb-Belcher 1. I will add some info to cover these fights at a later date.
I've also added mention of Cribb’s defence of his title against Jem Belcher (i.e. his second fight vs Belcher) and added some citations to Pugilistica where the original reports for Cribb’s fights can be read as well as all of the other relevant supporting info (all three volumes of Pugilstica can be viewed at Archive.org).
At present the article only gives minimal details of Cribb’s fights (date/place/opponent/result, and sometimes rounds). The article would probably benefit from some added colour from contemporary sources. I'll see if I can find some quotes to flesh things out.
The text stated that Cribb retired in 1812. Cribb was actually champion until 1821 - by which time he had been 10 years without a challenger. However, reference to (for example) Boxiana, Pugilistica, etc. makes it clear that he was considered champion throughout this period and eventually vacated the title. I have changed this to reflect the correct situation.
With regard to the section ‘After retirement’, I seem to recall that Cribb was engaged in some (all?) of the activities listed prior to his retirement in 1821. I will investigate in the contemporary sources and change if necessary.
I’ve also removed several unnecessary links in the text to ‘English’, ‘publican’, ‘legend’ and ‘shopping mall’. Axad12 ( talk) 06:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I added an exact date (15th May 1822) for Cribb's retirement, taken from Fistiana (1841 p56) and Pugilistica vol 1 (1906 p271). Added references accordingly and the relevant page of Fistiana as a external link. Axad12 ( talk) 14:20, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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A search on the internet suggests the widely accepted dates for the fights between Cribb and Molineaux are 1810 and 1811. These dates are reported by, among others, the International Boxing Hall of Fame, the National Portrait Gallery. Average Earthman 18:04, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
He then fought a black American, former slave Tom Molineaux, to become world champion – a defeat he repeated in 1811. Should this not be a victory he repeated as the winner (Cribb) is the subject of the article?
Thryduulf 02:29, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Vs Tom Molineaux ?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.246.254 ( talk) 19:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
The link to Barclay seems to be to another Robert Barclay entirely. Should be either corrected or the link removed. Epeeist smudge 08:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Are there any contemporary sources calling him "world champion"? It seems like a rather anachronistic claim for a time when professional boxing wasn't organized on any global scale. The claim is currently unsourced. -- Hegvald ( talk) 06:52, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
I've made a few changes to the text…
The article used to mention different points at which Cribb became English champion, British champion and World champion. However, back in Cribb’s day, only one title existed - English Champion. I’ve therefore removed the references to the British and World championships. It's obviously tempting to think that the Cribb vs Molineux fights were for the world championship, but since no such title existed the claim is clearly dubious. I cannot see any reference in any of the contemporary literature to back up the claim. (See also, the previous comment above by Hegvald.)
There is currently a gap in the narrative of Cribb’s career where no mention is made to the fights Cribb fought between Cribb-Nicholls and Cribb-Belcher 1. I will add some info to cover these fights at a later date.
I've also added mention of Cribb’s defence of his title against Jem Belcher (i.e. his second fight vs Belcher) and added some citations to Pugilistica where the original reports for Cribb’s fights can be read as well as all of the other relevant supporting info (all three volumes of Pugilstica can be viewed at Archive.org).
At present the article only gives minimal details of Cribb’s fights (date/place/opponent/result, and sometimes rounds). The article would probably benefit from some added colour from contemporary sources. I'll see if I can find some quotes to flesh things out.
The text stated that Cribb retired in 1812. Cribb was actually champion until 1821 - by which time he had been 10 years without a challenger. However, reference to (for example) Boxiana, Pugilistica, etc. makes it clear that he was considered champion throughout this period and eventually vacated the title. I have changed this to reflect the correct situation.
With regard to the section ‘After retirement’, I seem to recall that Cribb was engaged in some (all?) of the activities listed prior to his retirement in 1821. I will investigate in the contemporary sources and change if necessary.
I’ve also removed several unnecessary links in the text to ‘English’, ‘publican’, ‘legend’ and ‘shopping mall’. Axad12 ( talk) 06:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I added an exact date (15th May 1822) for Cribb's retirement, taken from Fistiana (1841 p56) and Pugilistica vol 1 (1906 p271). Added references accordingly and the relevant page of Fistiana as a external link. Axad12 ( talk) 14:20, 15 March 2023 (UTC)