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I am the direct descendant of Todar Mal. In the article that is being circulated it mentions that we are Tandons. Well, most in the comunity associate us with Sood due to the linkage with Akbars revenue minister. However we are neither although we do know that we are Vedic Ksyhatriyas.
Various pieces of history put together point us to be more of a clan that were similar to Rajputs but had considerably got distanced later as you mus remeber that Todar Mal died much before the Rajputs gained prominence.
That explains the fact how Todar Mal was a warrior also. Our mingling with mainline khatris is a result of inetrmarriage and even if one looks at our recnt history we have been a very open,& educated family. Even my great great grandfather had compete formal education. There was no remarriage even 200 yeras back in the family.
Girls were educated and had no differentitaion. Hope this clarfes some points. sanjay —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjay mandal ( talk • contribs) 05:53, 3 February 2006
The aforementioned information is correct.
However, there's a rhetoric spread by some Agrawals claiming to be direct descendents of Raja Todar Mal and living in Moti Mahal, which is a blatant lie. Raja Todar Mal was not a Baniya / Agrawal.
I'm also the descendent of Raja Todar Mal Tandon; we use Diwan as a prefix to our name and Tandon as the surname. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:400C:FCA5:B4A8:266F:F776:46B8 ( talk) 07:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
For a list of books on the subject see
Talk:Kayastha#Was_Raja_Todarmal_a_Kayastha?
No Raja Todarmal was a Khatri and our Nukh is Tandon and we are his direct descendants. We were rulers of Oudh or Ayodhya -- we are direcr descendants of Bhagwan Rama. It not true that Raja Todarmal was Akbar's Wazir or administrator. Akbar overthrew Raja Todarmal's Govt. and then seeing how sharp he was kept him as Nav Ratna. Soon I will post his video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.4.141 ( talk) 06:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Thesocialistesq/M.lesocialiste 20:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Department of redundancy department, anyone? "Todar Mal overhauled the revenue system of Akbar's Mughal empire. It was Todar Mal who overhauled the revenue system of Mughal empire." 70.128.41.214 ( talk) 18:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
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rayaan was tadar mals father — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.158.53.148 ( talk) 13:46, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
The following statements appeared at the end of the References section, unsourced, and without explanation:
This appears to be speculative, but please provide the sources, and integrate the statements into the text where they belong. Fconaway ( talk) 23:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Intothefire ( talk) 07:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Sulivansj ( talk) 20:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)Todar Mal was a Ambastha Kayastha. His ancestors, Ambastha, still live in his Moti Mahal in Allahabad as reported by Hindustan Times. His 18th and 19th generation direct ancestors live in parts of Haryana, Delhi and Uttar Pradesh. Raja Todarmal was a Kayastha by Caste means a mix of Scribe and warrior, he was a prominent Zamindar Of gaya. We are his descendants, I really do not know are in Motimahal. He was not a Vaishya or Agarwal at all. He was a King Bhagwan Rama's descendant. Akbar overthrew his Govt and took over. We are in USA and two (sister and brother in Mumbai). Todarmal left for Pilgrimage then Multan later and settled there he did not die in Lahore. My ancestors then moved from Multan to Sindh and then to Mumbai.
Sources:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news-feed/nm19/todarmal-s-moti-mahal-decaying/article1-176112.aspx Sulivansj ( talk) 20:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
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Please could @ D4iNa4: explain how the sources cited support the text.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:40, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
It would also help if the Google books citations were turned into regular citations, giving author, title and most important of all, page number.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:42, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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It is quite obvious that Raja Todar Mal was a Khatri. All the older sources agree. Even Agrawal and Kayasth authors state he was a Khatri.
You can see a discussion here Talk:Kayastha/Archive_3#Was_Raja_Todarmal_a_Kayastha?
Please note that Todarmal was a common name. Diwan Todarmal of Sirhind, who gave money for acquiring land for cremation of the sons of the last Sikh Guru was a Oswal Jain. There was an Agarwal Jain Sahu Todar who had renovated the Jain stupas of Mathura (Rajamalla, Jambusvami Carita).
There have been many distinguished Kayasthas (Vivekanada, Dr. Rajendra Prasad, HVR Bacchan etc) and distinguished Agrawals (Lala Lajpat Rai, Manohar Lohia, Jamnalal Bajaj etc). Raja Todar Mal, the navarata, was definitely a Khatri.
Malaiya ( talk) 02:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
We can keep the following format "quote" <citation> [author credentials]. More modern the source, the better it is. In fact, we should stick to sources after 1980 or 1990 in this case since there are so many sources. Then we can summarize for example "Most historians consider him to be a x or y etc.". Please do not use Raj era authors.
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I am the direct descendant of Todar Mal. In the article that is being circulated it mentions that we are Tandons. Well, most in the comunity associate us with Sood due to the linkage with Akbars revenue minister. However we are neither although we do know that we are Vedic Ksyhatriyas.
Various pieces of history put together point us to be more of a clan that were similar to Rajputs but had considerably got distanced later as you mus remeber that Todar Mal died much before the Rajputs gained prominence.
That explains the fact how Todar Mal was a warrior also. Our mingling with mainline khatris is a result of inetrmarriage and even if one looks at our recnt history we have been a very open,& educated family. Even my great great grandfather had compete formal education. There was no remarriage even 200 yeras back in the family.
Girls were educated and had no differentitaion. Hope this clarfes some points. sanjay —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjay mandal ( talk • contribs) 05:53, 3 February 2006
The aforementioned information is correct.
However, there's a rhetoric spread by some Agrawals claiming to be direct descendents of Raja Todar Mal and living in Moti Mahal, which is a blatant lie. Raja Todar Mal was not a Baniya / Agrawal.
I'm also the descendent of Raja Todar Mal Tandon; we use Diwan as a prefix to our name and Tandon as the surname. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:400C:FCA5:B4A8:266F:F776:46B8 ( talk) 07:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
For a list of books on the subject see
Talk:Kayastha#Was_Raja_Todarmal_a_Kayastha?
No Raja Todarmal was a Khatri and our Nukh is Tandon and we are his direct descendants. We were rulers of Oudh or Ayodhya -- we are direcr descendants of Bhagwan Rama. It not true that Raja Todarmal was Akbar's Wazir or administrator. Akbar overthrew Raja Todarmal's Govt. and then seeing how sharp he was kept him as Nav Ratna. Soon I will post his video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.4.141 ( talk) 06:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Thesocialistesq/M.lesocialiste 20:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Department of redundancy department, anyone? "Todar Mal overhauled the revenue system of Akbar's Mughal empire. It was Todar Mal who overhauled the revenue system of Mughal empire." 70.128.41.214 ( talk) 18:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
rayaan was tadar mals father — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.158.53.148 ( talk) 13:46, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
The following statements appeared at the end of the References section, unsourced, and without explanation:
This appears to be speculative, but please provide the sources, and integrate the statements into the text where they belong. Fconaway ( talk) 23:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Intothefire ( talk) 07:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Sulivansj ( talk) 20:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)Todar Mal was a Ambastha Kayastha. His ancestors, Ambastha, still live in his Moti Mahal in Allahabad as reported by Hindustan Times. His 18th and 19th generation direct ancestors live in parts of Haryana, Delhi and Uttar Pradesh. Raja Todarmal was a Kayastha by Caste means a mix of Scribe and warrior, he was a prominent Zamindar Of gaya. We are his descendants, I really do not know are in Motimahal. He was not a Vaishya or Agarwal at all. He was a King Bhagwan Rama's descendant. Akbar overthrew his Govt and took over. We are in USA and two (sister and brother in Mumbai). Todarmal left for Pilgrimage then Multan later and settled there he did not die in Lahore. My ancestors then moved from Multan to Sindh and then to Mumbai.
Sources:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news-feed/nm19/todarmal-s-moti-mahal-decaying/article1-176112.aspx Sulivansj ( talk) 20:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
There has been some edit-warring over the following paragraph:
{{
cite book}}
: External link in |location=
(
help)CS1 maint: location (
link)
Please could @ D4iNa4: explain how the sources cited support the text.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:40, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
It would also help if the Google books citations were turned into regular citations, giving author, title and most important of all, page number.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:42, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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It is quite obvious that Raja Todar Mal was a Khatri. All the older sources agree. Even Agrawal and Kayasth authors state he was a Khatri.
You can see a discussion here Talk:Kayastha/Archive_3#Was_Raja_Todarmal_a_Kayastha?
Please note that Todarmal was a common name. Diwan Todarmal of Sirhind, who gave money for acquiring land for cremation of the sons of the last Sikh Guru was a Oswal Jain. There was an Agarwal Jain Sahu Todar who had renovated the Jain stupas of Mathura (Rajamalla, Jambusvami Carita).
There have been many distinguished Kayasthas (Vivekanada, Dr. Rajendra Prasad, HVR Bacchan etc) and distinguished Agrawals (Lala Lajpat Rai, Manohar Lohia, Jamnalal Bajaj etc). Raja Todar Mal, the navarata, was definitely a Khatri.
Malaiya ( talk) 02:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
We can keep the following format "quote" <citation> [author credentials]. More modern the source, the better it is. In fact, we should stick to sources after 1980 or 1990 in this case since there are so many sources. Then we can summarize for example "Most historians consider him to be a x or y etc.". Please do not use Raj era authors.