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The etymology section is quite misleading. It mentions how the word "Tocharian" is based on Tokharistan, and that their inhabitants spoke Bactrian, but it failed to mention that the people, the Yuezhi, who Tokharistan was named after, originally spoke a Tocharian language before the migration of the Great Gara to Bactria. When I first read this article, I thought "Tokharoi" was based off of a completely Iranic term, but actually the people for which it was named after were Tocharian themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.187.118 ( talk) 03:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
A genetics chapter is still missing, understandable because genes do not talk. Up to now there is no convincing genetic evidence linking the writers of the earliest Tocharian texts to the finds allegedly being Tocharian in the Tarim basin, let alone around Ürümqi. HJHolm ( talk) 06:17, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
The Arzhang (Middle Persian: Ārdahang; Persian: ارژنگ, romanized: Aržang/Arzhang; Coptic: Eikōn; Parthian: dw bwngʾhyg [dō bunɣāhīg], meaning "Worthy"), also known as the Book of Pictures, was one of the holy books of Manichaeism. It was written and illustrated by its prophet, Mani, in Syriac, with later reproductions written in Sogdian. It was unique as a sacred text in that it contained numerous pictures designed to portray Manichaean cosmogony, which were regarded as integral to the text.The original Arzhang illustrated by Mani has been lost and its exact content is unknown. However, it is known that its illustrations were of appreciable quality, and copies were preserved in the Middle East as late as 1092 AD, when it is recorded that the library of Ghazni held a copy. Since the discovery of Manichaean artwork during the German Turfan expeditions, scholars began piecing together the style of the Arzhang and reassessed the influence of Manichaean art in genera ( पाटलिपुत्र Mitrayasna ( talk) 16:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the sentence
which was tagged as citation needed, the new reference (Markey, "China's Western Horizon: Beijing and the New Geopolitics of Eurasia", p120) does not support this, saying only
We do not know what route Zhang Qian took on his way west. The source text (in Shiji and Han Shu) says only that he rushed westward from the Xiongnu to Dayuan. I will therefore remove the above sentence. Kanguole 23:22, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
After many grueling years of travel and barbarian captivity, he eventually found his way across the desert wastes of the Tarim Basin to what is now Afghanistan, before returning home a hero to the Han court.
Zhang Qian did travel from Chang'an (Xi'an) to the Tarim Basin, Fergana Valley, Bactria (Afghanistan) and Sogdiana (Uzbekistan) and brought this knowledge back to the Han court
Zhang Qian returned to China, he took the route along the southern mountains of the Tarim basin (Sima: 3159).
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The discovery of ancient societies of Central Asia (the "Western Regions" of Chinese Historical texts) is associated wjth the expedition of Zhang Qiang, the envoy sent by the emperor Wudi (140-87 B.C.) to explore the West in an attempt to find allies against the nomadic empire od the Xiongnu (Gardiner-Gardner [1986]). Zhang Qian spent years in Central Asia, partly travelling, partly held in captivity by the Xiongnu. The knowledge gathered by Zhang Qiang, naturally coloured by the circumstances of the mission, still constitutes the basis of our understanding of the societies around the Tarim Basin. Of these, [...] forty seven are located in the Tarim basin adjacent regions, including the Pamirs, the Tianshan mountains, the Ili region, and eastern Xinjiang"
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The etymology section is quite misleading. It mentions how the word "Tocharian" is based on Tokharistan, and that their inhabitants spoke Bactrian, but it failed to mention that the people, the Yuezhi, who Tokharistan was named after, originally spoke a Tocharian language before the migration of the Great Gara to Bactria. When I first read this article, I thought "Tokharoi" was based off of a completely Iranic term, but actually the people for which it was named after were Tocharian themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.187.118 ( talk) 03:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
A genetics chapter is still missing, understandable because genes do not talk. Up to now there is no convincing genetic evidence linking the writers of the earliest Tocharian texts to the finds allegedly being Tocharian in the Tarim basin, let alone around Ürümqi. HJHolm ( talk) 06:17, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
The Arzhang (Middle Persian: Ārdahang; Persian: ارژنگ, romanized: Aržang/Arzhang; Coptic: Eikōn; Parthian: dw bwngʾhyg [dō bunɣāhīg], meaning "Worthy"), also known as the Book of Pictures, was one of the holy books of Manichaeism. It was written and illustrated by its prophet, Mani, in Syriac, with later reproductions written in Sogdian. It was unique as a sacred text in that it contained numerous pictures designed to portray Manichaean cosmogony, which were regarded as integral to the text.The original Arzhang illustrated by Mani has been lost and its exact content is unknown. However, it is known that its illustrations were of appreciable quality, and copies were preserved in the Middle East as late as 1092 AD, when it is recorded that the library of Ghazni held a copy. Since the discovery of Manichaean artwork during the German Turfan expeditions, scholars began piecing together the style of the Arzhang and reassessed the influence of Manichaean art in genera ( पाटलिपुत्र Mitrayasna ( talk) 16:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the sentence
which was tagged as citation needed, the new reference (Markey, "China's Western Horizon: Beijing and the New Geopolitics of Eurasia", p120) does not support this, saying only
We do not know what route Zhang Qian took on his way west. The source text (in Shiji and Han Shu) says only that he rushed westward from the Xiongnu to Dayuan. I will therefore remove the above sentence. Kanguole 23:22, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
After many grueling years of travel and barbarian captivity, he eventually found his way across the desert wastes of the Tarim Basin to what is now Afghanistan, before returning home a hero to the Han court.
Zhang Qian did travel from Chang'an (Xi'an) to the Tarim Basin, Fergana Valley, Bactria (Afghanistan) and Sogdiana (Uzbekistan) and brought this knowledge back to the Han court
Zhang Qian returned to China, he took the route along the southern mountains of the Tarim basin (Sima: 3159).
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The discovery of ancient societies of Central Asia (the "Western Regions" of Chinese Historical texts) is associated wjth the expedition of Zhang Qiang, the envoy sent by the emperor Wudi (140-87 B.C.) to explore the West in an attempt to find allies against the nomadic empire od the Xiongnu (Gardiner-Gardner [1986]). Zhang Qian spent years in Central Asia, partly travelling, partly held in captivity by the Xiongnu. The knowledge gathered by Zhang Qiang, naturally coloured by the circumstances of the mission, still constitutes the basis of our understanding of the societies around the Tarim Basin. Of these, [...] forty seven are located in the Tarim basin adjacent regions, including the Pamirs, the Tianshan mountains, the Ili region, and eastern Xinjiang"
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