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Regarding the sentence
which was tagged as citation needed, the new reference (Markey, "China's Western Horizon: Beijing and the New Geopolitics of Eurasia", p120) does not support this, saying only
We do not know what route Zhang Qian took on his way west. The source text (in Shiji and Han Shu) says only that he rushed westward from the Xiongnu to Dayuan. I will therefore remove the above sentence. Kanguole 23:22, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
After many grueling years of travel and barbarian captivity, he eventually found his way across the desert wastes of the Tarim Basin to what is now Afghanistan, before returning home a hero to the Han court.
Zhang Qian did travel from Chang'an (Xi'an) to the Tarim Basin, Fergana Valley, Bactria (Afghanistan) and Sogdiana (Uzbekistan) and brought this knowledge back to the Han court
Zhang Qian returned to China, he took the route along the southern mountains of the Tarim basin (Sima: 3159).
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The discovery of ancient societies of Central Asia (the "Western Regions" of Chinese Historical texts) is associated wjth the expedition of Zhang Qiang, the envoy sent by the emperor Wudi (140-87 B.C.) to explore the West in an attempt to find allies against the nomadic empire od the Xiongnu (Gardiner-Gardner [1986]). Zhang Qian spent years in Central Asia, partly travelling, partly held in captivity by the Xiongnu. The knowledge gathered by Zhang Qiang, naturally coloured by the circumstances of the mission, still constitutes the basis of our understanding of the societies around the Tarim Basin. Of these, [...] forty seven are located in the Tarim basin adjacent regions, including the Pamirs, the Tianshan mountains, the Ili region, and eastern Xinjiang"
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I have reverted a change from {{ infobox ethnic group}} to {{ infobox country}}, because the topic of this article is not a former country, but a people, who lived in several city-states. Kanguole 19:30, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Maybe a bit more clarity here would help, specifically around the Tang dynasty section? Tuvalu Pareto ( talk) 02:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Somebody suggested that "... A leading contender is the Afanasievo culture, ..." as origin of the Tocharians. To my humble knowledge this is impossible because the Afanasevo is R1b, while Xiaohe, for example is overwhelmingly R1a (Data from Quiles allancientdna). I wonder who has any genetic different evidence. HJJHolm ( talk) 07:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding the sentence
which was tagged as citation needed, the new reference (Markey, "China's Western Horizon: Beijing and the New Geopolitics of Eurasia", p120) does not support this, saying only
We do not know what route Zhang Qian took on his way west. The source text (in Shiji and Han Shu) says only that he rushed westward from the Xiongnu to Dayuan. I will therefore remove the above sentence. Kanguole 23:22, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
After many grueling years of travel and barbarian captivity, he eventually found his way across the desert wastes of the Tarim Basin to what is now Afghanistan, before returning home a hero to the Han court.
Zhang Qian did travel from Chang'an (Xi'an) to the Tarim Basin, Fergana Valley, Bactria (Afghanistan) and Sogdiana (Uzbekistan) and brought this knowledge back to the Han court
Zhang Qian returned to China, he took the route along the southern mountains of the Tarim basin (Sima: 3159).
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The discovery of ancient societies of Central Asia (the "Western Regions" of Chinese Historical texts) is associated wjth the expedition of Zhang Qiang, the envoy sent by the emperor Wudi (140-87 B.C.) to explore the West in an attempt to find allies against the nomadic empire od the Xiongnu (Gardiner-Gardner [1986]). Zhang Qian spent years in Central Asia, partly travelling, partly held in captivity by the Xiongnu. The knowledge gathered by Zhang Qiang, naturally coloured by the circumstances of the mission, still constitutes the basis of our understanding of the societies around the Tarim Basin. Of these, [...] forty seven are located in the Tarim basin adjacent regions, including the Pamirs, the Tianshan mountains, the Ili region, and eastern Xinjiang"
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I have reverted a change from {{ infobox ethnic group}} to {{ infobox country}}, because the topic of this article is not a former country, but a people, who lived in several city-states. Kanguole 19:30, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Maybe a bit more clarity here would help, specifically around the Tang dynasty section? Tuvalu Pareto ( talk) 02:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Somebody suggested that "... A leading contender is the Afanasievo culture, ..." as origin of the Tocharians. To my humble knowledge this is impossible because the Afanasevo is R1b, while Xiaohe, for example is overwhelmingly R1a (Data from Quiles allancientdna). I wonder who has any genetic different evidence. HJJHolm ( talk) 07:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)