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There's another reference to Old Testament tithing that would be good to cite:
Gen. 28:20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
Gen. 28:21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace--then shall the LORD be my God,
Gen. 28:22 And this rock, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house; and of all that you shall give me, I will surely give the tenth to you.
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I should point out, tithes were not taxes but rather they were tax-like. In certain crucial respects they do not qualify as taxes - mainly, from being too arms length from governments. Even so, they still affected payers the same way, so correcting this technical point needs to respect the spirit as well as the letter. I'll leave it a while. PML.
At least here in Finland Evangelical-lutheran church collects (governmental tax office does this) one percent (not ten percent) from income of members of the church. Here is also other christian churches... So it would be interesting to know about tithes in other European countries, is it really collected somewhere?
Intro: "There are still European countries today that allow some churches to assess a mandatory tithe which is enforced by law.". Mandatory? Which countries? By the discriptions of individual countries, that's not the idea I get.
Members of the LDS Church (or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) are required to pay tithing. Could somebody please put some reference to this on the page on tithes?
This article is currently quite POV in certain sections and reads like a college essay on tithing instead of an unbiased encyclopedia article. I don't have time to elaborate further or point out specific instances right now, but a brief readthrough of the article should be enough to convince nearly anyone that work needs to be done here. - Jersyko talk 03:54, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
OK, I went through the article and cut out everything that smelled of POV or original research. I'm certain that this article could be expanded significantly, and I might have cut some information that could be reworded and re-inserted as well as failed to cut some info that shouldn't be in the article. I, however, learned more about tithing from reading this article than I've ever known, so I'm certainly not the person to do any more work on it. - Jersyko talk 03:38, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
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This article is a mess. It is totally dominated by paragraph after paragraph of quoted text from primary sources that are given no context or explanation. It's left to the reader to wade through it all to find any relevance or explanation for it. Many quotes doesn't even mention Tithes or tithing, and we can only assume that whatever editor contributed it is engaged in writing an essay of original research on the subject.
Can anyone explain what is going on here? Otherwise I'm minded to radically just chop it all out, so we can find an article that explains tithes beneath it all. Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello 1990'sguy ( talk · contribs). I noticed that you have removed criticism of the financial abuses by religious leaders. However, it has been there for many years. This section being neutral and very well referenced, this action looks like to Wikipedia:Vandalism. Also, as Wikipedia:Criticism#Philosophy,_religion,_or_politics explains, “For topics about a particular point of view – such as philosophies (Idealism, Naturalism, Existentialism), political outlooks (Capitalism, Marxism), or religion (Islam, Christianity, Atheism) – it will usually be appropriate to have a "Criticism" section”. See also Christianity#Criticism. Finally, it is an academic, encyclopedic and social responsibility, to denounce financial abuses by religious leaders in order to help people to identify them and specially to avoid new victims. This is what Jesus Christ has done many times in his ministry, including denouncing the love of money ( Mammon) and the hypocrisy of religious leaders who devour the house of widows (Luke 20:47). Thanks for your help. My best wishes of peace and love ( Wikipedia:WikiLove).-- Nathan B2 ( talk) 18:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
The article is heavily oriented towards Judeo-Christian history and is not complete as it completely ignores the practice of tithing in Greco-Roman antiquity. But tithing is not an invention of Judeo-Christian religions. He had been here thousands of years before them. See article: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des%C3%A1tek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jirda5 ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Irenaeus and other ante-nicene church writers (known as church fathers) all indicate no tithe received in the first 300 years of the history of the Church. This important determining point is absolutely missing from the entire article which is severely biased toward the promotion of mandatory tithing. 2603:6010:9AF0:8000:10E9:B785:6996:93D6 ( talk) 18:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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There's another reference to Old Testament tithing that would be good to cite:
Gen. 28:20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
Gen. 28:21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace--then shall the LORD be my God,
Gen. 28:22 And this rock, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house; and of all that you shall give me, I will surely give the tenth to you.
p.
I should point out, tithes were not taxes but rather they were tax-like. In certain crucial respects they do not qualify as taxes - mainly, from being too arms length from governments. Even so, they still affected payers the same way, so correcting this technical point needs to respect the spirit as well as the letter. I'll leave it a while. PML.
At least here in Finland Evangelical-lutheran church collects (governmental tax office does this) one percent (not ten percent) from income of members of the church. Here is also other christian churches... So it would be interesting to know about tithes in other European countries, is it really collected somewhere?
Intro: "There are still European countries today that allow some churches to assess a mandatory tithe which is enforced by law.". Mandatory? Which countries? By the discriptions of individual countries, that's not the idea I get.
Members of the LDS Church (or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) are required to pay tithing. Could somebody please put some reference to this on the page on tithes?
This article is currently quite POV in certain sections and reads like a college essay on tithing instead of an unbiased encyclopedia article. I don't have time to elaborate further or point out specific instances right now, but a brief readthrough of the article should be enough to convince nearly anyone that work needs to be done here. - Jersyko talk 03:54, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
OK, I went through the article and cut out everything that smelled of POV or original research. I'm certain that this article could be expanded significantly, and I might have cut some information that could be reworded and re-inserted as well as failed to cut some info that shouldn't be in the article. I, however, learned more about tithing from reading this article than I've ever known, so I'm certainly not the person to do any more work on it. - Jersyko talk 03:38, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
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This article is a mess. It is totally dominated by paragraph after paragraph of quoted text from primary sources that are given no context or explanation. It's left to the reader to wade through it all to find any relevance or explanation for it. Many quotes doesn't even mention Tithes or tithing, and we can only assume that whatever editor contributed it is engaged in writing an essay of original research on the subject.
Can anyone explain what is going on here? Otherwise I'm minded to radically just chop it all out, so we can find an article that explains tithes beneath it all. Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello 1990'sguy ( talk · contribs). I noticed that you have removed criticism of the financial abuses by religious leaders. However, it has been there for many years. This section being neutral and very well referenced, this action looks like to Wikipedia:Vandalism. Also, as Wikipedia:Criticism#Philosophy,_religion,_or_politics explains, “For topics about a particular point of view – such as philosophies (Idealism, Naturalism, Existentialism), political outlooks (Capitalism, Marxism), or religion (Islam, Christianity, Atheism) – it will usually be appropriate to have a "Criticism" section”. See also Christianity#Criticism. Finally, it is an academic, encyclopedic and social responsibility, to denounce financial abuses by religious leaders in order to help people to identify them and specially to avoid new victims. This is what Jesus Christ has done many times in his ministry, including denouncing the love of money ( Mammon) and the hypocrisy of religious leaders who devour the house of widows (Luke 20:47). Thanks for your help. My best wishes of peace and love ( Wikipedia:WikiLove).-- Nathan B2 ( talk) 18:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
The article is heavily oriented towards Judeo-Christian history and is not complete as it completely ignores the practice of tithing in Greco-Roman antiquity. But tithing is not an invention of Judeo-Christian religions. He had been here thousands of years before them. See article: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des%C3%A1tek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jirda5 ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Irenaeus and other ante-nicene church writers (known as church fathers) all indicate no tithe received in the first 300 years of the history of the Church. This important determining point is absolutely missing from the entire article which is severely biased toward the promotion of mandatory tithing. 2603:6010:9AF0:8000:10E9:B785:6996:93D6 ( talk) 18:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)