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I want to remove the Portuguese language link - as it's totally unrelated to this article - but since I don't have the time to learn how to do that in the new version of that feature I'm asking if someone can do that for me. Thanks in advance. :) CasperBraske ( talk) 21:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
These are all similar (and probably organically related) structures, why not feature them here as well? Kortoso ( talk) 23:26, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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Teepees were absolutely used outside of the Great Plains - take the Yakama, Cayuse_people, etc.
I'm going to update the article, but wanted to put that out there first Red Slash 17:17, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
See Merriam-Webster's entries on teepee, tipi and tepee. Different than how it's stated here in the intro regarding which is more common. Quite the opposite in fact.
Few more in conflict with our page:
In summary, Merriam-Webster, Dictionary.com, Dictionary.Cambridge, Wiktionary, Lexico and even Dict.org, the cited source in the first sentence of the article, all agree "tipi" is a less common form of the word. -- DB1729 ( talk) 23:58, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The WP article states in the lead, within a ref note: "...And rarely, "tepee" tepee (dwelling) -- Encyclopædia Britannica"
That link is to Encyclopædia Britannica's entry for Tepee which states:
Alternative Titles: teepee, tipi
Tepee, also spelled tipi,
...and so not "rarely" as our article claims, but in fact the source supports "tepee" as the most common spelling.
This is clearly a misrepresentation of the source. DB1729 ( talk) 16:01, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
The recent edit also claimed that "tepee" and "teepee" where "phonetic" spellings; this isn't exactly true: "tepee" could be pronounced TEH-pee and "tipi" isn't necessarily pronounced phonetically as "TIH-pee", the rules of common pronunciation allow "tipi" to be phonetic as well. DenverCoder9 ( talk) 15:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Lewis H. Morgan is cited on how to erect the tipi poles, but his quote "The frame consists of thirteen poles from fifteen to eighteen feet in length, which, after being tied together at the small ends, are raised upright with a twist so as to cross the poles above the fastening" does not reflect the way a tipi frame is actually constructed. The Indian Tipi: Its History, Construction, and Use By Gladys Laubin, Reginald Laubin (a work that is cited on two other occasions in this article) is most likely a better authority on this subject, the Laubins having learned the technique directly from Sioux people who continued the use of the tipi into the 20th century.
Personally, I have used the Laubin instructions eight times and I would make this edit myself (citing the Laubins' work), but I no longer have access to The Indian Tipi: Its History, Construction, and Use and so I can no longer directly quote it. Per the Laubins: Three poles are lashed together on the ground, raised up and spread out into a tripod, and the remaining poles are laid into the three crotches above the lashing (this accurately conveys the technique, but it is not a quote). I hope that another user with access to the Laubins' work could extract from the The Indian Tipi: Its History, Construction, and Use a more correct summary of how the frame is erected. -- JohnBarnett ( talk) 16:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Vaulter 12:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Tipi →
Tepee – This was requested by
user:DemonDays64 with the following rationale: "As stated at the top of the page the current location, Tipi, is an unusual spelling and Tepee is more common (personally I have never seen the former). Tepee is used all over the page and I do not know why the page is now at Tipi, as the move log only shows one move from Tipi to Tepee, 11 years ago." I did the move, but then it was contested, so I've undone the move and started this RM instead.
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The article is currently using the spelling tepee. It would follow the guidelines more to switch to use that as the title than to keep the title and switch the whole article to another variant imo DemonDays64 ( talk• contribs) 19:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Tipi is concise.Not sure what the length of the word has to do with anything.
Teepee, which looks childish,funny, I have the same opinion about "Tipi".
...is much more common than tepee.Maybe more, but I wouldn't go so far as to say much more, as explained further down.
National Geographic prefers tipi in its style guide.True, but interesting that the first page linked in the above statement [5] also points out "This is an exception to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, which prefers tepee and considers teepee and tipi as variant spellings."
...National Museum of the American Indian uses tipi.Seems to be true but only provided the search results for "tipi". [6] I'm assuming these are all items used in the conical tent we're calling a tipi? I didn't click through every page but I never saw an image of the dwelling. The same website's search results for teepee, [7] is only three images, but all of paintings depicting conical tents.
The notion that tepee is the preferred US spelling is absolutely incorrect.Overstatement. I pointed out some of these things in the section above ' Spelling' a couple years ago. Many online dictionaries prefer "teepee" and "tepee" over "tipi". Most preferring "tepee" over the others. See collapse section for links and other stats.
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If tepee is used current throughout the article that needs to be fixed as opposed to moving the entire article to that bizarre spelling.(Calling the spelling "bizarre" is another overstated opinion.) The article was mostly fixed in that regard a few days ago. Here is that diff.
... The Siouan languages use the Latin alphabet. They have not been transliterated. The optional use of accent marks is still well within the scope of the Latin alphabet. While alternate orthographic systems have at times been proposed in some communities, none of those are in general usage, or anything more than proposals. Where on Earth are you getting these ideas? - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:43, 30 June 2022 (UTC)a word that does not originate from a language with a Latin alphabet and therefore had to be transliterated.
It is common practise for people to build tipis out of branches at a beach or in their garden, but there seems to be no information on this. I'm not too sure how to approach this. Should we create a new article or use this one? Considering that these have look completely different and have completely different purposes: one is made as a building to use (typically by native americans), while the other is made for leisure (by people all over the world). Panamitsu ( talk) 09:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
The article claims "tipi" is the most common spelling in Canada. As a Canadian I have never seen a single use of this spelling, in Canada or anywhere, until seeing it here. No one knows what "tipi" is. Teepee should be the title of the article. 24.222.58.42 ( talk) 16:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
With respect for people's ignorance of this is not their fault, but that of those who spread false teachings, thípi's best translation from Lakȟótiyapi, where the word comes from, has nothing whatsoever to do with a tent. It means "The Place Where They Rest", as sacred burial grounds called thípis as well, where the ancestors rest.
It's a shame that even on Wikipedia our culture, and our language, it still being mangled beyond recognition by settler society. I would not dream in a million years that this will ever be changed, damage done, but I at least felt like I should add this correction so at least maybe a few people who may come across this will now know a thípi is NOT a tent (which I still live in during all the summer months), and it's ACTUAL meaning.
Napayshni Wiyaka Sapa, Thunder Butte, Cheyenne River Reservation 204.83.199.150 ( talk) 15:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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I want to remove the Portuguese language link - as it's totally unrelated to this article - but since I don't have the time to learn how to do that in the new version of that feature I'm asking if someone can do that for me. Thanks in advance. :) CasperBraske ( talk) 21:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
These are all similar (and probably organically related) structures, why not feature them here as well? Kortoso ( talk) 23:26, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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Teepees were absolutely used outside of the Great Plains - take the Yakama, Cayuse_people, etc.
I'm going to update the article, but wanted to put that out there first Red Slash 17:17, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
See Merriam-Webster's entries on teepee, tipi and tepee. Different than how it's stated here in the intro regarding which is more common. Quite the opposite in fact.
Few more in conflict with our page:
In summary, Merriam-Webster, Dictionary.com, Dictionary.Cambridge, Wiktionary, Lexico and even Dict.org, the cited source in the first sentence of the article, all agree "tipi" is a less common form of the word. -- DB1729 ( talk) 23:58, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The WP article states in the lead, within a ref note: "...And rarely, "tepee" tepee (dwelling) -- Encyclopædia Britannica"
That link is to Encyclopædia Britannica's entry for Tepee which states:
Alternative Titles: teepee, tipi
Tepee, also spelled tipi,
...and so not "rarely" as our article claims, but in fact the source supports "tepee" as the most common spelling.
This is clearly a misrepresentation of the source. DB1729 ( talk) 16:01, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
The recent edit also claimed that "tepee" and "teepee" where "phonetic" spellings; this isn't exactly true: "tepee" could be pronounced TEH-pee and "tipi" isn't necessarily pronounced phonetically as "TIH-pee", the rules of common pronunciation allow "tipi" to be phonetic as well. DenverCoder9 ( talk) 15:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Lewis H. Morgan is cited on how to erect the tipi poles, but his quote "The frame consists of thirteen poles from fifteen to eighteen feet in length, which, after being tied together at the small ends, are raised upright with a twist so as to cross the poles above the fastening" does not reflect the way a tipi frame is actually constructed. The Indian Tipi: Its History, Construction, and Use By Gladys Laubin, Reginald Laubin (a work that is cited on two other occasions in this article) is most likely a better authority on this subject, the Laubins having learned the technique directly from Sioux people who continued the use of the tipi into the 20th century.
Personally, I have used the Laubin instructions eight times and I would make this edit myself (citing the Laubins' work), but I no longer have access to The Indian Tipi: Its History, Construction, and Use and so I can no longer directly quote it. Per the Laubins: Three poles are lashed together on the ground, raised up and spread out into a tripod, and the remaining poles are laid into the three crotches above the lashing (this accurately conveys the technique, but it is not a quote). I hope that another user with access to the Laubins' work could extract from the The Indian Tipi: Its History, Construction, and Use a more correct summary of how the frame is erected. -- JohnBarnett ( talk) 16:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Vaulter 12:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Tipi →
Tepee – This was requested by
user:DemonDays64 with the following rationale: "As stated at the top of the page the current location, Tipi, is an unusual spelling and Tepee is more common (personally I have never seen the former). Tepee is used all over the page and I do not know why the page is now at Tipi, as the move log only shows one move from Tipi to Tepee, 11 years ago." I did the move, but then it was contested, so I've undone the move and started this RM instead.
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
12:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
The article is currently using the spelling tepee. It would follow the guidelines more to switch to use that as the title than to keep the title and switch the whole article to another variant imo DemonDays64 ( talk• contribs) 19:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Tipi is concise.Not sure what the length of the word has to do with anything.
Teepee, which looks childish,funny, I have the same opinion about "Tipi".
...is much more common than tepee.Maybe more, but I wouldn't go so far as to say much more, as explained further down.
National Geographic prefers tipi in its style guide.True, but interesting that the first page linked in the above statement [5] also points out "This is an exception to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, which prefers tepee and considers teepee and tipi as variant spellings."
...National Museum of the American Indian uses tipi.Seems to be true but only provided the search results for "tipi". [6] I'm assuming these are all items used in the conical tent we're calling a tipi? I didn't click through every page but I never saw an image of the dwelling. The same website's search results for teepee, [7] is only three images, but all of paintings depicting conical tents.
The notion that tepee is the preferred US spelling is absolutely incorrect.Overstatement. I pointed out some of these things in the section above ' Spelling' a couple years ago. Many online dictionaries prefer "teepee" and "tepee" over "tipi". Most preferring "tepee" over the others. See collapse section for links and other stats.
Extended content
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---|
|
If tepee is used current throughout the article that needs to be fixed as opposed to moving the entire article to that bizarre spelling.(Calling the spelling "bizarre" is another overstated opinion.) The article was mostly fixed in that regard a few days ago. Here is that diff.
... The Siouan languages use the Latin alphabet. They have not been transliterated. The optional use of accent marks is still well within the scope of the Latin alphabet. While alternate orthographic systems have at times been proposed in some communities, none of those are in general usage, or anything more than proposals. Where on Earth are you getting these ideas? - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:43, 30 June 2022 (UTC)a word that does not originate from a language with a Latin alphabet and therefore had to be transliterated.
It is common practise for people to build tipis out of branches at a beach or in their garden, but there seems to be no information on this. I'm not too sure how to approach this. Should we create a new article or use this one? Considering that these have look completely different and have completely different purposes: one is made as a building to use (typically by native americans), while the other is made for leisure (by people all over the world). Panamitsu ( talk) 09:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
The article claims "tipi" is the most common spelling in Canada. As a Canadian I have never seen a single use of this spelling, in Canada or anywhere, until seeing it here. No one knows what "tipi" is. Teepee should be the title of the article. 24.222.58.42 ( talk) 16:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
With respect for people's ignorance of this is not their fault, but that of those who spread false teachings, thípi's best translation from Lakȟótiyapi, where the word comes from, has nothing whatsoever to do with a tent. It means "The Place Where They Rest", as sacred burial grounds called thípis as well, where the ancestors rest.
It's a shame that even on Wikipedia our culture, and our language, it still being mangled beyond recognition by settler society. I would not dream in a million years that this will ever be changed, damage done, but I at least felt like I should add this correction so at least maybe a few people who may come across this will now know a thípi is NOT a tent (which I still live in during all the summer months), and it's ACTUAL meaning.
Napayshni Wiyaka Sapa, Thunder Butte, Cheyenne River Reservation 204.83.199.150 ( talk) 15:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)