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This article reads as promotional for the band, and indeed even reads as pro-Tuareg. Will see what edits I can make. 203.218.39.15 ( talk) 14:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Edit: also, what does "Muammar al-Gaddafi's camps of Tuareg rebels" mean? Did Gaddafi (sp) setthe camps up because the Tuaregs rebelled against him, or was he supporting them? Again, I suspect the politics behind this line and this article. 203.218.39.15 ( talk) 14:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
"Refugee camps" must be some euphemism. Many members of the band met in training camps for Gaddhafi's Tuareg mercenaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.136.218 ( talk) 22:32, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Is there any actual reason for the discography to be in seperate entries? I see only a barely enough info in the The Radio Tisdas Sessions to warrant its own article, and it doesn't look like User:Gasolene even botherered to create a page for Amassakoul after deleting the discography info. I am highly tempted to revert the Discography section to what it was before. Dalrymple 23:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be worth mentioning that their producer , Justin Adams, is a formidable player in a lot of Jah Wobble's work. It could then be linked to the Jah Wobble page which would give people interested in World Music the option to go onto Jah Wobble's page if it takes their fancy.
Red_Sismey 21:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyone know the name of the track they sang on Jools Holland? 158.94.184.125 15:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Today I am toning down and reducing the text of this article, in an attempt to alleviate concerns about neutrality and excessive detail. Much of the text added recently is less about the band and more about surrounding political developments. I am attempting to make this article more encyclopedic and more about the band. Comments or corrections are welcome. It is apparent that most of the existing history and biography info, which I reduced, is from the Tinariwen website, but the article is is need of internal citations. DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 03:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Earlier today I've added a link to Tinariwen concert photos from Mali that latter got removed for alleged breach of guidelines for external links. With all due respect for your reasoning and subsequent action I have to disagree with the removal. Before I started posting I have read the guidelines for external links and I believe I haven't breached them. I was not posting a collection of links, was not advertising anything nor trying to abuse Wikipedia articles for search engines rankings. I am well aware what nofollow tag means. My intention was to add and share relevant photo material I have available on musicians / music groups with others. Even having plenty more photos of Tinariwen in different albums (different concerts / festivals) I have followed the guidelines adding only a single link to just one of the folders. I was trying to comply with the guidelines while still enriching information available in articles on musicians / music groups. My intention was not shameless self promotion but adding what I find relevant additional visual materials to the community. I hope you can see and accept my additional link for what it is and that we can agree on re-enabling it again. Also I would like to apologise for marking my addition minor edit. I wasn't paying attention to already ticked checkbox and I am sorry for that. Best regards, Marko —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voknelserp ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC) Voknelserp ( talk) 16:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
There are contradictions in this article which confused me. It says "In the early years of the collective's history, the members were also fans of bootlegged albums by western acts that had made their way to the Tuareg people, with favorites including albums by Dire Straits, Santana, Led Zeppelin, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Kenny Rogers and Don Williams."
Then two sentences later later:
"The Tinariwen sound is primarily guitar-driven in the style known as assouf among the Tuareg people. The style is possibly a distant relative of blues music via West African music, though the members of Tinariwen claim to have never heard actual American blues music until they began to travel internationally in 2001"
It is being is argued that the music is only West African influenced, but then contradicts this by citing clear blues/rock western influences. I for one am confused by this :) Did they, or did they not listen to bootlegged albums in the early years? If so, then arguing that there was no rock/blues influence makes little sense. Either that is untrue, or the sentence about the bootlegged albums isn't true. Disciple3d ( talk) 12:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
A user at two IP addresses (i.e. 41.99.6.146, 41.99.124.131) has introduced two pairs of edits with deliberate factual errors (i.e. first pair, second pair). They replace " Mali" with " Algeria". I have reverted both edits, and hope that this stands as a clear warning against further attempts to distort the accuracy of this article. ~ Fopam ( talk) 15:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
"If you speak to him, tell him that if he ever shows his face in this town again, we'll cut off all the fingers he uses to play his guitar with." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/23/mali-militants-declare-war-music 79.251.107.91 ( talk) 17:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Current members
Hello I recently met Intidao in Morocco where he was playing solo. He's very much an ex-member of Tinariwen, not a current one as stated here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.240.111 ( talk) 17:43, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
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@ Doomsdayer520: Regarding this revert:
Tamashek info was sourced
Here's the source
[1] in question (a dictionary that gives three possible definitions of the word Tinariwen). What part of the content that you restored in the intro is supposed to be backed by this source that doesn't even mention the primary topic, i.e., the group Tinariwen?
city in infobox is confirmed in other sources in main text
The city you're referring to (Tessalit) is the birthplace of the founding members, but per
Template:Infobox musical artist#origin, the city that should be mentioned is "the place where the group was founded, or where individual performer started their career", which in this case is
Tamanrasset
[2]. So, unless I'm missing something here, "
Tamanrasset, Algeria" should be reinstated in the Infobox.
M.Bitton (
talk) 23:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Original research (on Wikipedia) is when a scientist tries to claim that his/her own research is notable.Since we don't seem to agree on something as basic as the interpretation of a policy, there really is no point in discussing the intro any further. As a way forward, I'll be taking this to WP:ORN.
Concerning Tinariwen's city of origin, I concede that there are reasons to consider both Tessalit and Tamanrasset based on the sources in the article,There is no reason whatsoever to consider "Tessalit", a city that the founder of the group "Ibrahim Ag Alhabib" left when he was 4 years old, and didn't go back to it until 26 years later (long after the group was formed).
but you still used "original research" as the wrong reason to change it.As far as I'm concerned, adjusted the infobox parameter per Template:Infobox musical artist in the edit summary is self-explanatory, and, besides, what was said in the edit summary became irrelevant the moment I started a discussion to explain the rationale behind my edit and give you the chance to do the same. M.Bitton ( talk) 00:18, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
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This article reads as promotional for the band, and indeed even reads as pro-Tuareg. Will see what edits I can make. 203.218.39.15 ( talk) 14:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Edit: also, what does "Muammar al-Gaddafi's camps of Tuareg rebels" mean? Did Gaddafi (sp) setthe camps up because the Tuaregs rebelled against him, or was he supporting them? Again, I suspect the politics behind this line and this article. 203.218.39.15 ( talk) 14:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
"Refugee camps" must be some euphemism. Many members of the band met in training camps for Gaddhafi's Tuareg mercenaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.136.218 ( talk) 22:32, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Is there any actual reason for the discography to be in seperate entries? I see only a barely enough info in the The Radio Tisdas Sessions to warrant its own article, and it doesn't look like User:Gasolene even botherered to create a page for Amassakoul after deleting the discography info. I am highly tempted to revert the Discography section to what it was before. Dalrymple 23:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be worth mentioning that their producer , Justin Adams, is a formidable player in a lot of Jah Wobble's work. It could then be linked to the Jah Wobble page which would give people interested in World Music the option to go onto Jah Wobble's page if it takes their fancy.
Red_Sismey 21:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyone know the name of the track they sang on Jools Holland? 158.94.184.125 15:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Today I am toning down and reducing the text of this article, in an attempt to alleviate concerns about neutrality and excessive detail. Much of the text added recently is less about the band and more about surrounding political developments. I am attempting to make this article more encyclopedic and more about the band. Comments or corrections are welcome. It is apparent that most of the existing history and biography info, which I reduced, is from the Tinariwen website, but the article is is need of internal citations. DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 03:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Earlier today I've added a link to Tinariwen concert photos from Mali that latter got removed for alleged breach of guidelines for external links. With all due respect for your reasoning and subsequent action I have to disagree with the removal. Before I started posting I have read the guidelines for external links and I believe I haven't breached them. I was not posting a collection of links, was not advertising anything nor trying to abuse Wikipedia articles for search engines rankings. I am well aware what nofollow tag means. My intention was to add and share relevant photo material I have available on musicians / music groups with others. Even having plenty more photos of Tinariwen in different albums (different concerts / festivals) I have followed the guidelines adding only a single link to just one of the folders. I was trying to comply with the guidelines while still enriching information available in articles on musicians / music groups. My intention was not shameless self promotion but adding what I find relevant additional visual materials to the community. I hope you can see and accept my additional link for what it is and that we can agree on re-enabling it again. Also I would like to apologise for marking my addition minor edit. I wasn't paying attention to already ticked checkbox and I am sorry for that. Best regards, Marko —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voknelserp ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC) Voknelserp ( talk) 16:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
There are contradictions in this article which confused me. It says "In the early years of the collective's history, the members were also fans of bootlegged albums by western acts that had made their way to the Tuareg people, with favorites including albums by Dire Straits, Santana, Led Zeppelin, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Kenny Rogers and Don Williams."
Then two sentences later later:
"The Tinariwen sound is primarily guitar-driven in the style known as assouf among the Tuareg people. The style is possibly a distant relative of blues music via West African music, though the members of Tinariwen claim to have never heard actual American blues music until they began to travel internationally in 2001"
It is being is argued that the music is only West African influenced, but then contradicts this by citing clear blues/rock western influences. I for one am confused by this :) Did they, or did they not listen to bootlegged albums in the early years? If so, then arguing that there was no rock/blues influence makes little sense. Either that is untrue, or the sentence about the bootlegged albums isn't true. Disciple3d ( talk) 12:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
A user at two IP addresses (i.e. 41.99.6.146, 41.99.124.131) has introduced two pairs of edits with deliberate factual errors (i.e. first pair, second pair). They replace " Mali" with " Algeria". I have reverted both edits, and hope that this stands as a clear warning against further attempts to distort the accuracy of this article. ~ Fopam ( talk) 15:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
"If you speak to him, tell him that if he ever shows his face in this town again, we'll cut off all the fingers he uses to play his guitar with." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/23/mali-militants-declare-war-music 79.251.107.91 ( talk) 17:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Current members
Hello I recently met Intidao in Morocco where he was playing solo. He's very much an ex-member of Tinariwen, not a current one as stated here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.240.111 ( talk) 17:43, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
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@ Doomsdayer520: Regarding this revert:
Tamashek info was sourced
Here's the source
[1] in question (a dictionary that gives three possible definitions of the word Tinariwen). What part of the content that you restored in the intro is supposed to be backed by this source that doesn't even mention the primary topic, i.e., the group Tinariwen?
city in infobox is confirmed in other sources in main text
The city you're referring to (Tessalit) is the birthplace of the founding members, but per
Template:Infobox musical artist#origin, the city that should be mentioned is "the place where the group was founded, or where individual performer started their career", which in this case is
Tamanrasset
[2]. So, unless I'm missing something here, "
Tamanrasset, Algeria" should be reinstated in the Infobox.
M.Bitton (
talk) 23:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Original research (on Wikipedia) is when a scientist tries to claim that his/her own research is notable.Since we don't seem to agree on something as basic as the interpretation of a policy, there really is no point in discussing the intro any further. As a way forward, I'll be taking this to WP:ORN.
Concerning Tinariwen's city of origin, I concede that there are reasons to consider both Tessalit and Tamanrasset based on the sources in the article,There is no reason whatsoever to consider "Tessalit", a city that the founder of the group "Ibrahim Ag Alhabib" left when he was 4 years old, and didn't go back to it until 26 years later (long after the group was formed).
but you still used "original research" as the wrong reason to change it.As far as I'm concerned, adjusted the infobox parameter per Template:Infobox musical artist in the edit summary is self-explanatory, and, besides, what was said in the edit summary became irrelevant the moment I started a discussion to explain the rationale behind my edit and give you the chance to do the same. M.Bitton ( talk) 00:18, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
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