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Clouds, since you don't want anything about this topic on your talk pg... I can list reasons, probably more than six why you are incorrect. One, TT wrote a book. The citation you are disputing is about that, she is the author of the post. Two, the two citations are not even the same - not at all. Three, one is about the individual being her personal assistant. Four, the other is about the same person having another job previously. Howdoesitgo1 ( talk) 00:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
You are not an attorney. I have no difficulty reversing your edits and will as appropriate. If you want to adjust paragraphs or sentences that is one thing. Wholesale removing something that has to do with law is out of bounds and will be changed. Howdoesitgo1 ( talk) 01:27, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
There has been no polling, there's no "warring". It was somewhat discussed to incorporate info into the article. There is heavy-handedness going on and that won't be acceptable. Howdoesitgo1 ( talk) 10:00, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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It's ridiculous what people (editors) are saying on here. Howdoesitgo1 ( talk) 21:10, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
"Long legs", "trademark legs".... etc. Really? In the opening paragraph??!! Come on.... Ghmyrtle ( talk) 10:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
She sang for two Beyond albums. So, I suggest to give 1957–2020 as years active. I have not found a proper reference in English, but in German: https://www.universal-music.de/beyond/biografie. It says there that she sings Amazing Grace, Our Father (German: Vaterunser), and Motherless Child on Love Within; however, she speaks Our Father.
-- FoolInLove ( talk) 00:24, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Following a somewhat similar situation with actress Liu Yifei, who because of Chinese citizenship laws, only had American citizenship because they don't recognize dual citizenship/nationality, there was a consensus to describe her as being "Chinese-American", because although she now only has American citizenship, she was born and most active in China. So, I don't see why Turner can't be described as being "American-Swiss". Following the Context section: "Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." Its already been established that she was born and raised in America, had American citizenship for around 70+ years of her life, and was most famous there. So I don't see why she can't have "American-Swiss" or "Swiss-American" as her lede with a note explaining that she had given up her American citizenship in 2013. Describing her as "American-born" seems to deny the fact that she was most notable as an American singer and had American citizenship for the majority of her life. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 18:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Just leave it as American and add an invisible note that she became notable while she was American, like Helen Mirren. -- 188.143.109.174 ( talk) 14:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Just because someone renounced their citizenship doesn’t mean that’s what they ethnically are. She is a Swiss citizen but she is American. Sense when we’re we confusing nationality with ethnicity. Article needs to be edited to be made clear the difference. 2601:40B:8400:AD10:B9A6:3828:509B:A906 ( talk) 22:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
There is no swiss ethnicity. Switzerland has a old tradition to be a „nation of choice“ or Willensnation and was never based on language or ethinicity. Therefore, if you have a swiss passport you are considered as swiss. You could still have other nationalities tho. Bavisko ( talk) 13:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
To be consistent with countless other Wikipedia articles, including this one, it should be written, "Tina Turner is an American-born Swiss singer, songwriter and actress". If we look at the Wikipedia entry on Americans, it clearly states that Americans are "the citizens and nationals of the United States of America", which Tina Turner is no longer. And consistent with this, the entry for Swiss people states that the Swiss are "the citizens of Switzerland or people of Swiss ancestry." The Wikipedia entry has therefore been corrected to make clear that she is American-born Swiss. 05:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC).
In the Health section it says Turner "..signed up to be a member of Exit..." with "Exit" linked to Euthanasia in Switzerland. It seems like it could be a more specific link, but it's not clear whether this should refer to Final Exit Network or Exit International. Theodore Kloba ( ☎) 13:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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Tina Turner passed away today May 24 , 2023 12.157.72.145 ( talk) 19:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
To me it's confusing that she's referred to "Turner" even in sections about her relationship with Ike Turner. Is there any style guide prohibiting us from using her first name to clarify which Turner "Turner" refers to? PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 11:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
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This page makes no mention of Tina Turner’s collaboration with Jimmy Barnes. Nor does it mention her NRL (Rugby) associations.
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I suggest to change "Also in May 1984, Capitol issued the album's second single, "What's Love Got to Do with It"; the song had previously been recorded by the pop group Bucks Fizz." to "Also in May 1984, Capitol issued the album's second single, "What's Love Got to Do with It"; the song had previously been recorded by the pop group Bucks Fizz (but not released until 2000)." for clarification. Joz ( talk) 20:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Should Swiss nationality law be pipe-linked somewhere in this article? 205.239.40.3 ( talk) 10:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
According to the Chicago Tribune, she died on Tuesday, which would make it the 23rd of May, not the 24th.
The Tribune reported the death on the 24th. Beats435 ( talk) 19:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps a mention that some sources (including Ike Turner) indicate she was born Martha Nell Bullock not Anna Mae Bullock.
https://www.tina-turner.nl/1939-1964.php
https://www.nohipstersallowed.com/music/tina-turner-turns-80/
166.199.114.64 ( talk) 15:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
I don't know if this would be WP:Trivia but I am surprised there's not more mentioned in the article about Turner's influence in Australia.
I know there are brief mentions of her Aussie manager, her first solo concert tour and her role in Mad Max, but I feel her association with Australia is understated and should be more detailed. Her death was extensively reported in the Australian media yesterday, more than your average "a well known American performer has died. In other news.." kind of thing. There were lengthy obituaries on news & current affairs programs as well as detailed analysis of Turner's impact in Australia and a tribute before last night's NRL match, which wasn't surprising given that it was her involvement in the famous Australian rugby league advertising campaign of the late 80's/early 90's that is credited with helping turn the fortunes around for an entire national sporting code.
And then there's " The Nutbush". Seriously, what Australian kid hasn't done that dance at a school disco? There's not an Australian adult alive who hasn't done "The Nutbush" at a wedding. There was even an episode of The Voice Australia where the Aussie judges taught Rita Ora how to do "The Nutbush".
I'm Australian so I am obviously affected by bias, but does anyone think these Australian connections should be explored more within the article, particularly the rugby league campaign? 2001:8003:6C01:3100:9D6D:7747:9B86:5F49 ( talk) 01:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
IMO, the first sentence should describe her as "an American singer", not "an American-born Swiss singer". From MOS:NATIONALITY, "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable." Turner renounced her American citizenship after retiring, and for the entirety of her career and period of notability was an American citizen. Her only material released as a Swiss national were reissues and remixes. -- Shivertimbers433 ( talk) 21:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Ike Turner is, for whatever reason, linked twice in the lead. Only one link is necessary 79.66.89.36 ( talk) 00:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
It appears to me that this sentence should not contain the word "not": "Turner added his last name and trademarked the name as a form of protection, so that if Bullock left him, like his previous singers had, he could not replace her with another "Tina Turner".
The object of copyrighting the name Tina Turner was that Ike COULD replace her with another Tina Turner, if he chose to, because he owned the name. 2603:8090:C00:4DB2:440D:5C0A:B1D3:4D0A ( talk) 11:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Don't confuse copyright and trademark, different things. Gestumblindi ( talk) 22:28, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
I think this is the best photograph we have of them together, at least in image quality, and as such, I've added it in. Minor damage, but I can always fix that. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.4% of all FPs. 07:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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I suggest the lead section be changed to:
to:
By removing the nationality. What do you think?
EDIT: An example was already given at Anya Taylor-Joy.
RMXY ( talk) 02:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
"... was a singer.[period]" - looks tacky, almost derogatory. Worst option of all, needs to be fixed. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 11:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
... an American-Swiss singer, etc. Her move to Switzerland and residence there for such a long time were a major and courageous life choice of hers and a vital part of her biography. I am horrified by many of the comments in the discussion above about this, childishly begrudging both Ms. Turner and Switzerland this fact and displaying an attitude of fanatic Americanism which all of us Americans can be ashamed of. Sort of like a number of objectionable tourists from the USA who consider Europe to be some kind of overseas Disneyland. Let's all face what Turner did squarely and calmly, take a deep breath, wipe ones eyes and brows, forget about putting Switzerland down, handle it and grow up!-- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 11:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Exact details aside, can we please discuss whether the basic form of the lead should take its current form, or the form I've tried to edit it to. A.D.Hope ( talk) 20:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Turner began her career with Ike Turner's Kings of Rhythm in 1957. She adopted the name 'Tina Turner' in 1960, and married Ike in 1962. Together they became "one of the most formidable live acts in history", having several hits together before disbanding in 1976 and divorcing in 1978. Turner's 1984 album Private Dancer launched "one of the greatest comebacks in music history"; it contained the hit song " What's Love Got to Do with It", which won the Grammy Award for Record of the Year and became her first and only number-one song on the Billboard Hot 100. She had several more hit singles in the 1980s and 1990s, and in 1988 her Break Every Rule World Tour broke the Guinness World Record for the largest paying audience (180,000) for a solo performer.
-- FMSky ( talk) 20:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Turner also acted in the films Tommy (1975) and Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985). She published her biography, I, Tina in 1986, and in 1993 this was adapted into the biographical film What's Love Got to Do with It. Turner retired in 2009 after completing her Tina!: 50th Anniversary Tour, which is the 15th-highest-grossing tour of the 2000s. In 2018 she became the subject of a jukebox musical, Tina. Turner became a Swiss citizen in 2013, relinquishing her US citizenship in the same year.
I think the current lead is very weird. She was an American for most her life and all her professional life and is by no one known as a "Swiss singer". IMO, it should say "was an American singer". An alternative would be "American-Swiss singer".-- Marginataen ( talk) 14:47, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
American-born Swisssinger again. I'm wondering what the status on the discussion is? It looks like quite a few users agree with removing nationality per discussion above, removing some potential squabbling?
How is it controversial to achieve peace and calm by adding the perfectly correct word "international" to the first line of this article instead of her citizenship info, more or less correctly formatted, and against consensus, which people keep adding over and over and over again anyway? -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 16:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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The infobox image for Tina Turner just changed upon her death. Normally, when a famous person, celebrity, or world leader dies, their infobox image was normally changed to the older photos (whether colored or black and white). Examples are shown below, which include:
Because of this, do we have to vote for the final infobox picture once and for all? Image choices are shown below.
RMXY ( talk) 02:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Options VI and I are in bad quality... Option I is the best one...: Typo?— Bagumba ( talk) 04:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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Should we remove the nationality also in the short description? RMXY ( talk) 02:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Currently, the article says Turner was born in Brownsville, Tennessee. There are three sources listed for this statement. One of those three sources says she was born in Brownsville, another says she was born in Nutbush, and the third is a book that I don't have access to. To make matters more challenging, footnote #16, which is nearby, cites 1940 census data, but both the original link to that source and the archived link are dead.
I ran a couple of Google searches and found that some say Tina was born in Brownsville, while others say that she was born in Nutbush.
Does anybody have any information as to which birthplace is correct? MonMothma ( talk) 00:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Basically if Ike had a daughter, Mia (real name Cicily) outside of Ike and Tina's marriage did any of that affect their marriage? Yes or no? Basically Ann lived in/or near their home in California and was possibly connected to the couple, by the time Mia was born. I do not know how Ike would sleep with Ann in their marriage but is this mentioned in the article about Ann or Mia? TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 01:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Why is the short description changing back and forth? The short description first says as "American-born Swiss singer" even if the nationality in the lead is omitted last June by community consensus. I changed it to "American and Swiss singer" then it got reverted back to "American-born Swiss". I changed it again to "American and Swiss", but it was reverted back. Because of all this edit war in the short description, can the nationality in the short description be removed too, or should it be kept? RMXY ( talk • contribs) 05:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Consensus is that nationality should not be mentioned in the first sentence.
Can someone explain to me why Tina Turner's black heritage as an ethnicity is not mentioned in the titular paragraph shiznaw ( talk) 21:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
If you ask me, I think Tina’s page needs to be locked just like everyone else’s. There’s no special treatment. 2601:346:4300:55B0:5964:3171:3440:748D ( talk) 01:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
I read a source that says that she did not attend her mother’s funeral because Ike was there, however her mother was cremated, and her ashes were scattered at sea, however find a grave is not reliable although it says she was buried. Source here: [1] Zelma’s biography on Family Search also mentioned her being buried. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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Clouds, since you don't want anything about this topic on your talk pg... I can list reasons, probably more than six why you are incorrect. One, TT wrote a book. The citation you are disputing is about that, she is the author of the post. Two, the two citations are not even the same - not at all. Three, one is about the individual being her personal assistant. Four, the other is about the same person having another job previously. Howdoesitgo1 ( talk) 00:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
You are not an attorney. I have no difficulty reversing your edits and will as appropriate. If you want to adjust paragraphs or sentences that is one thing. Wholesale removing something that has to do with law is out of bounds and will be changed. Howdoesitgo1 ( talk) 01:27, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
There has been no polling, there's no "warring". It was somewhat discussed to incorporate info into the article. There is heavy-handedness going on and that won't be acceptable. Howdoesitgo1 ( talk) 10:00, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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It's ridiculous what people (editors) are saying on here. Howdoesitgo1 ( talk) 21:10, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
"Long legs", "trademark legs".... etc. Really? In the opening paragraph??!! Come on.... Ghmyrtle ( talk) 10:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
She sang for two Beyond albums. So, I suggest to give 1957–2020 as years active. I have not found a proper reference in English, but in German: https://www.universal-music.de/beyond/biografie. It says there that she sings Amazing Grace, Our Father (German: Vaterunser), and Motherless Child on Love Within; however, she speaks Our Father.
-- FoolInLove ( talk) 00:24, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Following a somewhat similar situation with actress Liu Yifei, who because of Chinese citizenship laws, only had American citizenship because they don't recognize dual citizenship/nationality, there was a consensus to describe her as being "Chinese-American", because although she now only has American citizenship, she was born and most active in China. So, I don't see why Turner can't be described as being "American-Swiss". Following the Context section: "Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." Its already been established that she was born and raised in America, had American citizenship for around 70+ years of her life, and was most famous there. So I don't see why she can't have "American-Swiss" or "Swiss-American" as her lede with a note explaining that she had given up her American citizenship in 2013. Describing her as "American-born" seems to deny the fact that she was most notable as an American singer and had American citizenship for the majority of her life. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 18:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Just leave it as American and add an invisible note that she became notable while she was American, like Helen Mirren. -- 188.143.109.174 ( talk) 14:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Just because someone renounced their citizenship doesn’t mean that’s what they ethnically are. She is a Swiss citizen but she is American. Sense when we’re we confusing nationality with ethnicity. Article needs to be edited to be made clear the difference. 2601:40B:8400:AD10:B9A6:3828:509B:A906 ( talk) 22:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
There is no swiss ethnicity. Switzerland has a old tradition to be a „nation of choice“ or Willensnation and was never based on language or ethinicity. Therefore, if you have a swiss passport you are considered as swiss. You could still have other nationalities tho. Bavisko ( talk) 13:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
To be consistent with countless other Wikipedia articles, including this one, it should be written, "Tina Turner is an American-born Swiss singer, songwriter and actress". If we look at the Wikipedia entry on Americans, it clearly states that Americans are "the citizens and nationals of the United States of America", which Tina Turner is no longer. And consistent with this, the entry for Swiss people states that the Swiss are "the citizens of Switzerland or people of Swiss ancestry." The Wikipedia entry has therefore been corrected to make clear that she is American-born Swiss. 05:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC).
In the Health section it says Turner "..signed up to be a member of Exit..." with "Exit" linked to Euthanasia in Switzerland. It seems like it could be a more specific link, but it's not clear whether this should refer to Final Exit Network or Exit International. Theodore Kloba ( ☎) 13:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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Tina Turner passed away today May 24 , 2023 12.157.72.145 ( talk) 19:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
To me it's confusing that she's referred to "Turner" even in sections about her relationship with Ike Turner. Is there any style guide prohibiting us from using her first name to clarify which Turner "Turner" refers to? PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 11:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The source currently numbered as 22, cited simply as "African American Lives on YouTube" is a YouTube clip of the documentary. Acceptable editorial practice would be to cite the actual episode of the documentary itself, not a clip uploaded to a sketchy YouTube channel with a racially inflammatory title and description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:47:4301:5fd0:34fe:88e0:d03d:d21c ( talk) 20:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
This page makes no mention of Tina Turner’s collaboration with Jimmy Barnes. Nor does it mention her NRL (Rugby) associations.
also please add these link/s to ref section.
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I suggest to change "Also in May 1984, Capitol issued the album's second single, "What's Love Got to Do with It"; the song had previously been recorded by the pop group Bucks Fizz." to "Also in May 1984, Capitol issued the album's second single, "What's Love Got to Do with It"; the song had previously been recorded by the pop group Bucks Fizz (but not released until 2000)." for clarification. Joz ( talk) 20:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Should Swiss nationality law be pipe-linked somewhere in this article? 205.239.40.3 ( talk) 10:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
According to the Chicago Tribune, she died on Tuesday, which would make it the 23rd of May, not the 24th.
The Tribune reported the death on the 24th. Beats435 ( talk) 19:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps a mention that some sources (including Ike Turner) indicate she was born Martha Nell Bullock not Anna Mae Bullock.
https://www.tina-turner.nl/1939-1964.php
https://www.nohipstersallowed.com/music/tina-turner-turns-80/
166.199.114.64 ( talk) 15:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
I don't know if this would be WP:Trivia but I am surprised there's not more mentioned in the article about Turner's influence in Australia.
I know there are brief mentions of her Aussie manager, her first solo concert tour and her role in Mad Max, but I feel her association with Australia is understated and should be more detailed. Her death was extensively reported in the Australian media yesterday, more than your average "a well known American performer has died. In other news.." kind of thing. There were lengthy obituaries on news & current affairs programs as well as detailed analysis of Turner's impact in Australia and a tribute before last night's NRL match, which wasn't surprising given that it was her involvement in the famous Australian rugby league advertising campaign of the late 80's/early 90's that is credited with helping turn the fortunes around for an entire national sporting code.
And then there's " The Nutbush". Seriously, what Australian kid hasn't done that dance at a school disco? There's not an Australian adult alive who hasn't done "The Nutbush" at a wedding. There was even an episode of The Voice Australia where the Aussie judges taught Rita Ora how to do "The Nutbush".
I'm Australian so I am obviously affected by bias, but does anyone think these Australian connections should be explored more within the article, particularly the rugby league campaign? 2001:8003:6C01:3100:9D6D:7747:9B86:5F49 ( talk) 01:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
IMO, the first sentence should describe her as "an American singer", not "an American-born Swiss singer". From MOS:NATIONALITY, "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable." Turner renounced her American citizenship after retiring, and for the entirety of her career and period of notability was an American citizen. Her only material released as a Swiss national were reissues and remixes. -- Shivertimbers433 ( talk) 21:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Ike Turner is, for whatever reason, linked twice in the lead. Only one link is necessary 79.66.89.36 ( talk) 00:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
It appears to me that this sentence should not contain the word "not": "Turner added his last name and trademarked the name as a form of protection, so that if Bullock left him, like his previous singers had, he could not replace her with another "Tina Turner".
The object of copyrighting the name Tina Turner was that Ike COULD replace her with another Tina Turner, if he chose to, because he owned the name. 2603:8090:C00:4DB2:440D:5C0A:B1D3:4D0A ( talk) 11:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Don't confuse copyright and trademark, different things. Gestumblindi ( talk) 22:28, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
I think this is the best photograph we have of them together, at least in image quality, and as such, I've added it in. Minor damage, but I can always fix that. Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 8.4% of all FPs. 07:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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I suggest the lead section be changed to:
to:
By removing the nationality. What do you think?
EDIT: An example was already given at Anya Taylor-Joy.
RMXY ( talk) 02:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
"... was a singer.[period]" - looks tacky, almost derogatory. Worst option of all, needs to be fixed. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 11:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
... an American-Swiss singer, etc. Her move to Switzerland and residence there for such a long time were a major and courageous life choice of hers and a vital part of her biography. I am horrified by many of the comments in the discussion above about this, childishly begrudging both Ms. Turner and Switzerland this fact and displaying an attitude of fanatic Americanism which all of us Americans can be ashamed of. Sort of like a number of objectionable tourists from the USA who consider Europe to be some kind of overseas Disneyland. Let's all face what Turner did squarely and calmly, take a deep breath, wipe ones eyes and brows, forget about putting Switzerland down, handle it and grow up!-- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 11:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Exact details aside, can we please discuss whether the basic form of the lead should take its current form, or the form I've tried to edit it to. A.D.Hope ( talk) 20:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Turner began her career with Ike Turner's Kings of Rhythm in 1957. She adopted the name 'Tina Turner' in 1960, and married Ike in 1962. Together they became "one of the most formidable live acts in history", having several hits together before disbanding in 1976 and divorcing in 1978. Turner's 1984 album Private Dancer launched "one of the greatest comebacks in music history"; it contained the hit song " What's Love Got to Do with It", which won the Grammy Award for Record of the Year and became her first and only number-one song on the Billboard Hot 100. She had several more hit singles in the 1980s and 1990s, and in 1988 her Break Every Rule World Tour broke the Guinness World Record for the largest paying audience (180,000) for a solo performer.
-- FMSky ( talk) 20:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Turner also acted in the films Tommy (1975) and Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985). She published her biography, I, Tina in 1986, and in 1993 this was adapted into the biographical film What's Love Got to Do with It. Turner retired in 2009 after completing her Tina!: 50th Anniversary Tour, which is the 15th-highest-grossing tour of the 2000s. In 2018 she became the subject of a jukebox musical, Tina. Turner became a Swiss citizen in 2013, relinquishing her US citizenship in the same year.
I think the current lead is very weird. She was an American for most her life and all her professional life and is by no one known as a "Swiss singer". IMO, it should say "was an American singer". An alternative would be "American-Swiss singer".-- Marginataen ( talk) 14:47, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
American-born Swisssinger again. I'm wondering what the status on the discussion is? It looks like quite a few users agree with removing nationality per discussion above, removing some potential squabbling?
How is it controversial to achieve peace and calm by adding the perfectly correct word "international" to the first line of this article instead of her citizenship info, more or less correctly formatted, and against consensus, which people keep adding over and over and over again anyway? -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 16:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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The infobox image for Tina Turner just changed upon her death. Normally, when a famous person, celebrity, or world leader dies, their infobox image was normally changed to the older photos (whether colored or black and white). Examples are shown below, which include:
Because of this, do we have to vote for the final infobox picture once and for all? Image choices are shown below.
RMXY ( talk) 02:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Options VI and I are in bad quality... Option I is the best one...: Typo?— Bagumba ( talk) 04:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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Should we remove the nationality also in the short description? RMXY ( talk) 02:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Currently, the article says Turner was born in Brownsville, Tennessee. There are three sources listed for this statement. One of those three sources says she was born in Brownsville, another says she was born in Nutbush, and the third is a book that I don't have access to. To make matters more challenging, footnote #16, which is nearby, cites 1940 census data, but both the original link to that source and the archived link are dead.
I ran a couple of Google searches and found that some say Tina was born in Brownsville, while others say that she was born in Nutbush.
Does anybody have any information as to which birthplace is correct? MonMothma ( talk) 00:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Basically if Ike had a daughter, Mia (real name Cicily) outside of Ike and Tina's marriage did any of that affect their marriage? Yes or no? Basically Ann lived in/or near their home in California and was possibly connected to the couple, by the time Mia was born. I do not know how Ike would sleep with Ann in their marriage but is this mentioned in the article about Ann or Mia? TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 01:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Why is the short description changing back and forth? The short description first says as "American-born Swiss singer" even if the nationality in the lead is omitted last June by community consensus. I changed it to "American and Swiss singer" then it got reverted back to "American-born Swiss". I changed it again to "American and Swiss", but it was reverted back. Because of all this edit war in the short description, can the nationality in the short description be removed too, or should it be kept? RMXY ( talk • contribs) 05:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Consensus is that nationality should not be mentioned in the first sentence.
Can someone explain to me why Tina Turner's black heritage as an ethnicity is not mentioned in the titular paragraph shiznaw ( talk) 21:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
If you ask me, I think Tina’s page needs to be locked just like everyone else’s. There’s no special treatment. 2601:346:4300:55B0:5964:3171:3440:748D ( talk) 01:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
I read a source that says that she did not attend her mother’s funeral because Ike was there, however her mother was cremated, and her ashes were scattered at sea, however find a grave is not reliable although it says she was buried. Source here: [1] Zelma’s biography on Family Search also mentioned her being buried. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)