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I have removed Gheorghe Ciuhandu from the "Famous natives" list because he does not belong there! I know people like him (I also voted for him the last 2 times) but this still does not make him proper for the list!
Famous is somebody who has has gotten known outside the community that we are talking about. Ciuhandu is known just inside the community and also does not have any historical relevance! If we continue like this, we could directly put 350000 names and that's it! We have all of them!
Nobody wrote about for ex: Florimund_Mercy, and he has been the first Governor of Timisoara (not written in Wikipedia, Yet!) and you can even find him in Encyclopædia Britannica.
Cheers! SiSoie
Hey guys, I didn't change any content but there were a ton of English grammar mistakes I tried to clean up. The article could use some more corrections by a native speaker though.
Shoudn't the history section be a little smaller for this main page? I guess we could do some Timisoara's History file and just leave here the important part. Dent
Please provide quotations and references. Also please remove POV and don't use loaded terms as "ethnic cleansing" rather please explain what happened. For example, if Germans were forced to leave say "Germans were forced to leave by this ruler and by this law (or agains the law)" not "Germans were ethnic cleansed" since that introduce ambiguity. For example who forced the Jews, Germans and Hungarians to leave? Where they forced? If the were: how and by whom? Did some of them leave for better life in richer countries? Were they killed or were they forced to leave? See "ethnic cleansing" is not a precise term therefore I don't think it should be used, anyway not without clear explanations and references. AdrianTM 21:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
..was born in Klagenfurt, his father Alfred was born in Timişoara Ekem 18:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Was Timisoara regained from the Turks by Hungary? In the History of Timisoara article, it is stated that Timisoara was taken by the Habsburg imperial troups. Did Hungary exist as a political entity in 1716?
7% Hungarians, 2% Germans and 2% Serbs versus 90% Romanian?. I don't think so ... Maybe before 1950-1960, but not anymore. -- fz22 14:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not even Hungarian but feel that it is hugely misrepresentative to show the population statistics the way they are presented on the page. Temesvar is and always has been a German/Hungarian city, if you want to believe the Dacia Romanian theories you read in your Ceacescu history textbooks fine by me, but don't be afraid to say the city only took on this character after the Romanians ethnically cleansed it and moved in.
Remember taht the ruller of the town and whole region was Pál Kinizsi aka Paul Cheazul(Chinezul) back in 1479. He was quite romanian, and eaven cneaz wich mean that old romanian social organization such as districts were still in place in the banat region. Remember that austrians also made some ethinical cleasing, in their attempt to make a german only land north of Timis river. Whole romanian villages were deported south of the river.
The hatred between romanians and hungarians was huge after 1848. Let this page be free of such bullshit. I removed the info about population statistics. It has no place here, and it is a lie. Plese use as references the archives of the Austrian or Ottoman Empire not hungarian or romanian sources written after 1848. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.24.22.66 ( talk) 13:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC). For example Mathias Bel- hungarina historian who visited Timisoara sometime between 1720-1730 - wrote that the only language spoken in the town in that period was romanian - hic est ut nihil sermone valachico Temesvarini sit vulgatius . Why would a hungarian lie about this back in 1720? Let's agree that is hard to find an independent source of information, so please remove the whole section , since it may not be true.
Is not true that "many ethnic Germans left because of Communist persecution, most going to Germany". Ethnic Germans left TImişoara (and Romania) because in Germany it was a better life, not because they were persecuted. A short period of persecution was only immediatelly after WW2 (when ethnic Germans were considered nazis), but was over when German emigration started. Even in Comunist period, in Timişoara existed German schools, a German theatre, a German daily newspaper (after the fall of Comunism, the daily newspaper disappeared, as consequence of lack of readers and new Capitalist economic laws). -- MariusM 10:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC) Remember that 45000 romanians were deported from the Banat region by the comunists in the same period. Don't confuse comunism with nazism. The comunists hated classes not rases. Also, is not true that the great drought of the 50's in Moldova was during the Ceauşescu era. Ceauşescu era started in 1965, when the drought was over. Resettling Romanians in Timişoara was a consequence of city development (population increased with a factor of 4 after WW1), not of the drought of 50's.-- MariusM 11:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Regarding "Zurobara", is this camp really near the location of present-day Timişoara? Because according to this map (pictured), Zurobara appears to be at the location of present-day Hódmezővásárhely. It would be nice if some sources could be provided—this info isn't even at the History of Timişoara article. — Khoikhoi 06:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
i tought the mall in timisoara was the largest in all romania, not just the west..
Timişoara should eventually reach feature article status. In order to do so we must first identify what the article lacks or where its quality should be improved. This should be a collaboration, and any contribution, either from experts in the subject or from laymen is needed and welcome. The Timişoara article from Wikipedia is probably the best source of information about the city found on the net. If it's not then it should be. Currently the Timişoara article is maybe a good article. Our efforts should be targeted onto making it a feature article. I can only hope that this goal will be reached as soon as possible. Tavilis 17:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the Culture headline to Overview, because I think that article it's more about the city than its culture. I've extended it a bit, but it could be further extended. It would be nice if it were something about the arts and culture of our city (for example bands, artists, theaters, a.s.o.). Somebody could start it, maybe I'll write too of it later on. Till then I'll write about the architecture of the city. -- Zsolt Dudás 15:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The article should mention the massive disruptions of service in the public transportation field caused by Ciuhandu's endless "infrastructure renewals" that last years and only finish before local elections. And the abysmal state of the road network. AND the totally absurd one-ways, AND the even more absurd speed-bumps. In fact it shoud say in bold, "transportation (by any means) in timisoara SUCKS!". In an NPOV and objective way, of course. A little brown amongst all those shades of pink to reflect the situation in the field. -- Tase 16:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
You said that the data is relevant about the ethnicity of the region - yes but not the given town in 1910. This is relevant data when speaking about the population of the Banat or Temes county but why we should mention in the Temesvár article what kind of people lived Vrsec or Lippa or any other settlement kilometres away from the given town????
And the Central District wasn't the municipal area of Temesvár, it was an administrative unit with 20 independent villages. The town wasn't even part of it. Zello 22:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
No, it isn't part. Of the 20 villages of the former Central District only two is incorporated now into the town, 18 remained independent. Zello 23:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
These statistics even didn't prove your point as they show that the surrounding region was also ethnically mixed. Seeing the data the first thing I notice how many Germans disappeared not only from the town but also from the coutryside. Healthy demographic evolution in this area should produce a multicultural town with 3-4 different nationality. Zello 11:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
A whole people didn't go away only for money in a few decades without pressures. But the debate now is not about ethnic cleansing, I didn't use this word. We are speaking about why there is a mention of other settlements ethnic data in the Timişoara article. I said that this statistics aren't even proving your point as they show a multinational town in multinational surrounds. I'm simply saying that the Timişoara article should contain the population data of Timişoara, not neighbouring villages, Vrşec or Sydney. Zello 21:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't have any objection against the municipal area but Központi járás ISN'T that. That district means exactly these villages: Giarmata, Cerneteaz, Covaci, Sânandrei, Dudeştii Noi, Becicherecu Mic, Beregsǎu Mare, Sǎcǎlaz, Utvin, Sǎnmihaiu Romǎn, Sǎnmihaiu German, Chişoda, Giroc, Urseni, Moşniţa, Ghiroda, Remetea Mare, Şag, Parţa + three other now incorporated into the town. Does that mean anything for the 1910 Timişora?
Panonian who added the data did the same with many other town recently. That's a misconception of the former administration of the Kingdom of Hungary. In present-day Serbia "municipal area" means a dozen villages subordinated to one bigger town but in Hungary or Romania (past and present) municipal areas are much smaller, clearly defined territories of the given town itself. Zello 22:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
In the introduction (and elsewhere in the article) it states that Timişoara had a population of 336,089 in 2006. However, in the box it states that Timşioara had a population of: 317,660 (2002 census)
307,265 (as of July 1, 2004)
Both 336,089 and 307,265 are sourced, so I presume both are accurate - they merely show change over time. However, they are in conflict, so I suggest that we remove the older results and put in the most recent statistics possible so as to make the article as accurate as possible.
I'm new to Wikipedia, so I don't really know how to edit very well. Sorry to bother you all, otherwise I'd do it myself.
Is Zrenjanin, Serbia, twin town of Timisoara, Because link to official web site of Timisoara can be found at official web site of Zrenjanin? Alexzr88 17:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Near the Romanian city of Timisoara a 3000 year old settlement with defences has been found. The complex covers 2000 hectare and archaeologists think it's the biggest excavation site of Europe.
Not only the size of the find is striking, but also the quality. The settelment is completely intact. The researchers don't have any idea of who the builders of the fort might be yet.
The discovery has been made using satellite imagery and Google Earth. For more investigation a lot of money is necessary, according to the researchers. The help of Unesco has already been enlisted for this.
3000 jaar oude vesting ontdekt NOS, 20 februari 2008
Shinobu ( talk) 09:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
The city is spelled Timișoara, not Timişoara. ş is a turkish letter. ș is the correct romanian letter. There is no "cedilla" on Romanian letters. I don't know how to change the title but someone should fix it - HUGE mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.97.102 ( talk) 07:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I can see your point. A lot of work for very little return. Shouldn't something be posted about this practice on the Wikiproject:Romania page? (Although honestly I doubt I would have seen a notice before I started making the change.) -- Robert.Allen ( talk) 09:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
We have the redirects, and most search utilities these days will turn up modified characters as well as the unmodified ones, so it's not so much of a problem as it once was. -- Robert.Allen ( talk) 20:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
in photo section is picture of The Serbian Church. it's not a church, it is a cathedral. саборна црква means cathedral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.175.118.173 ( talk) 17:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Why does this section not list the number of inhabitants who are Hungarian, Serbian, German, and Jewish versus Romanian -- and historically (1880s, 1910s, 1920s, 1940s, 1980s, today)?
Who is afraid of that? And why? ------- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.73.167 ( talk) 20:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
? In romanian is right Timișoara
Szajci
pošta
07:47, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Timișoara is right. DouglasHeld ( talk) 08:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
ş --> ș (the same rule for all Romanian city names) ( Rgvis ( talk) 14:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC))
Take a look here: Timișoara at Encyclopædia Britannica.
Thanks,
( Rgvis ( talk) 15:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC))
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modern wiki pages have Other names section Readder ( talk) 06:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Wiki rules ask the presence of other names section for more than 2 names Readder ( talk) 18:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, a sockmaster is back (this time using open proxies). We can again have discussion on the different suggestions of Wikipedia on alternative/historical geographical names, etc. The option of moving them into a separate section is just one of the options, a possibility. The main guideline actually supports the original lead, which contains the other name variants. Please, read this again (quote from the second point of the guideline):
Please, also observe how many alternative variants are displayed. Four, yet, this is in the main guideline (and the cherry-picked version is in the last section of this point which discusses an alternative possibility). Moreover, the original lead is in line with the convention and consensus of similar articles. It was a stable variant for a long time, it should only be changed based on a consensus. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 12:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
PS: If we think that the lead is too long now, we can move some of the versions to a later section. For example, the Serbian, Bulgarian and Turkish variants are not widely used by English sources, thus they do not necessarily have to be in the lead. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 12:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
In December 1989, Timișoara witnessed a series of mass street protests by Romanians, Hungarians and Serbs. I removed the bolded part, cause it looks POV. What's the source for this? Why are Germans and Roma people (other important ethnicities in the city) missing? 86.126.32.82 ( talk) 10:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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this section should only include notable entities, otherwise it's WP:NOTDIR. LibStar ( talk) 07:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Timisoara is also the oldest IT centre of Romania, with a bit of tradition (the first computer was built here in 1961, being the second computer built in Romania), thousands of programmers were working in Timisoara before an IT industry even started to take shape elsewhere in Romania, after 1989, and it still employs a large number of programmers, even if Bucharest and Cluj have also caught up. Still, thousands of programmers work for global companies such as Continental, Nokia, Microsoft, IBM, Accenture and others out of the offices of those companies in Timisoara, and many more work for small, anonymous software boutiques or startups. Also, several successful Romanian startups originated in Timisoara - such as Symme3D, who set out to build 3D printers for human organs, Movidius, who created a very performant AI chip and was bought by Intel, and then some more. A European player in the field of fleet monitoring - safefleet - also originated and has its headquarter in Timisoara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:31E0:63:54C1:23B5:EEC6:BD08 ( talk) 16:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
@ KIENGIR: Do you agree that Timișoara was under the Ottoman Empire and then Habsburg/Austria from 1552 to 1867? And then under Austro-Hungary 1867–1918? Because if you agree, then you can't say the town was under Hungary until 1918. Britannica says this, and Wikipedia doesn't. Hungary led it until 1529, but after only in 1867–1918. Regards, Christina Christina ( talk) 15:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
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I reviewed this article and I have some (3) questions about:
In rest, not so important:
- there is no rising Ukrainian community in Timisoara, we should remove it in my opinion - lit by electric lamps in 1884 or 1882, no idea, it is not so important
If you are fair.
— Ioan Haţegan ( talk) 10:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
There is no need, in an English language encyclopedia, to have the names and pronunciations of the city in numerous different languages. The articles for London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow etc. do not begin with a list of foreign language names and pronunciations, and there is no need here. It is not helpful to the reader to have to wade through such names before reading what the article subject actually is. Any historical use of different names can be handled in the main text. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 12:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Because of Britannica which avoids to discuss about delicate things:
1. I removed the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin (895-896) part. You have no accurate proof and there is not one. 2. I even removed the Romanian part of Glad and Ajtony (Ahtum), although it's written in your Gesta Hungarorum.
You can keep your theories for yourself, we can keep our theories for ourselves.
3. I wrote that Charles I of Hungary rebuilt the city, instead of Charles I, in order the readers to draw conclusions. It is understandable from here you could have built and probably built Timișoara. Glad and Ajtony even if they ruled something thereby (there are proofs, I mean evidence), they might not have ruled actual Timișoara or former Temesvár.
4. The royal palace of the future capital was built by Italian craftsmen and architects.
5. I added a citation needed tag for "Crusaders met at the city before engaging in the Battle of Nicopolis in 1396." Because did they meet in town or somewhere in Banat which is known?
6. You said "the city was repeatedly besieged by the Ottomans in 1462, 1476, 1491, and 1522." Actually in our history books I only found Banat was besieged in 1462 and 1476, and Temesvár was 100% later besieged in 1491 and 1522. I corrected in order to be sure.
7. I removed this crap. "Subsequently, the city came under Habsburg rule, and it remained so until the early 20th century as part of the Banat of Temeswar, Kingdom of Hungary, Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary, except for the Ottoman occupation between 1788–1789 during the Austro-Turkish War." I put "Subsequently, the city came under Habsburg rule, except for the Ottoman occupation between 1788–1789 during the 1787–91 Austro-Turkish Warr." IF YOU WANT TO PUT THIS BACK, PLEASE BRING EVIDENCE FROM THAT CANADIAN SOURCE. Unfortunately I didn't read it because I considered it's too useless since it's really long and Britannica only speaks about the Habsburg rule.
8. "I added "The city was colonised colonized with Swabian Germans." This is important and part of the history. I mean after all the city was heavily populated by them. It's in Demography.
9. I removed the Gustave Eiffel bridge crap. Is that for History? No way, that bridge sucks anyway.
10. I put back all the names of the city back, when starting. In all the language.
11. You may not like it, I removed the hilarous ORIGIN OF THE NAME part. If you want you can prove Timișoara comes from Hungarian Temesvár, but "-oara" does not mean CASTLE or anything at all. Better is not to discuss part, from both sides (Romanian and Hungarian) in order to avoid conflicts. Because in my opinion Timișoara name comes from the Latin word of the Timiș River. Who did baptise the river? The city? Who was first, the egg or the chicken? Even you said Temes comes from Timiș River which was also known as Teyss in antiquity. There is no evidence than an invention or inventions of some.
So basically there is nothing to bother you. I hope you accept these changes. It should be more universal on these important articles since we all request a consensus between parts.
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I have removed Gheorghe Ciuhandu from the "Famous natives" list because he does not belong there! I know people like him (I also voted for him the last 2 times) but this still does not make him proper for the list!
Famous is somebody who has has gotten known outside the community that we are talking about. Ciuhandu is known just inside the community and also does not have any historical relevance! If we continue like this, we could directly put 350000 names and that's it! We have all of them!
Nobody wrote about for ex: Florimund_Mercy, and he has been the first Governor of Timisoara (not written in Wikipedia, Yet!) and you can even find him in Encyclopædia Britannica.
Cheers! SiSoie
Hey guys, I didn't change any content but there were a ton of English grammar mistakes I tried to clean up. The article could use some more corrections by a native speaker though.
Shoudn't the history section be a little smaller for this main page? I guess we could do some Timisoara's History file and just leave here the important part. Dent
Please provide quotations and references. Also please remove POV and don't use loaded terms as "ethnic cleansing" rather please explain what happened. For example, if Germans were forced to leave say "Germans were forced to leave by this ruler and by this law (or agains the law)" not "Germans were ethnic cleansed" since that introduce ambiguity. For example who forced the Jews, Germans and Hungarians to leave? Where they forced? If the were: how and by whom? Did some of them leave for better life in richer countries? Were they killed or were they forced to leave? See "ethnic cleansing" is not a precise term therefore I don't think it should be used, anyway not without clear explanations and references. AdrianTM 21:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
..was born in Klagenfurt, his father Alfred was born in Timişoara Ekem 18:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Was Timisoara regained from the Turks by Hungary? In the History of Timisoara article, it is stated that Timisoara was taken by the Habsburg imperial troups. Did Hungary exist as a political entity in 1716?
7% Hungarians, 2% Germans and 2% Serbs versus 90% Romanian?. I don't think so ... Maybe before 1950-1960, but not anymore. -- fz22 14:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not even Hungarian but feel that it is hugely misrepresentative to show the population statistics the way they are presented on the page. Temesvar is and always has been a German/Hungarian city, if you want to believe the Dacia Romanian theories you read in your Ceacescu history textbooks fine by me, but don't be afraid to say the city only took on this character after the Romanians ethnically cleansed it and moved in.
Remember taht the ruller of the town and whole region was Pál Kinizsi aka Paul Cheazul(Chinezul) back in 1479. He was quite romanian, and eaven cneaz wich mean that old romanian social organization such as districts were still in place in the banat region. Remember that austrians also made some ethinical cleasing, in their attempt to make a german only land north of Timis river. Whole romanian villages were deported south of the river.
The hatred between romanians and hungarians was huge after 1848. Let this page be free of such bullshit. I removed the info about population statistics. It has no place here, and it is a lie. Plese use as references the archives of the Austrian or Ottoman Empire not hungarian or romanian sources written after 1848. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.24.22.66 ( talk) 13:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC). For example Mathias Bel- hungarina historian who visited Timisoara sometime between 1720-1730 - wrote that the only language spoken in the town in that period was romanian - hic est ut nihil sermone valachico Temesvarini sit vulgatius . Why would a hungarian lie about this back in 1720? Let's agree that is hard to find an independent source of information, so please remove the whole section , since it may not be true.
Is not true that "many ethnic Germans left because of Communist persecution, most going to Germany". Ethnic Germans left TImişoara (and Romania) because in Germany it was a better life, not because they were persecuted. A short period of persecution was only immediatelly after WW2 (when ethnic Germans were considered nazis), but was over when German emigration started. Even in Comunist period, in Timişoara existed German schools, a German theatre, a German daily newspaper (after the fall of Comunism, the daily newspaper disappeared, as consequence of lack of readers and new Capitalist economic laws). -- MariusM 10:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC) Remember that 45000 romanians were deported from the Banat region by the comunists in the same period. Don't confuse comunism with nazism. The comunists hated classes not rases. Also, is not true that the great drought of the 50's in Moldova was during the Ceauşescu era. Ceauşescu era started in 1965, when the drought was over. Resettling Romanians in Timişoara was a consequence of city development (population increased with a factor of 4 after WW1), not of the drought of 50's.-- MariusM 11:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Regarding "Zurobara", is this camp really near the location of present-day Timişoara? Because according to this map (pictured), Zurobara appears to be at the location of present-day Hódmezővásárhely. It would be nice if some sources could be provided—this info isn't even at the History of Timişoara article. — Khoikhoi 06:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
i tought the mall in timisoara was the largest in all romania, not just the west..
Timişoara should eventually reach feature article status. In order to do so we must first identify what the article lacks or where its quality should be improved. This should be a collaboration, and any contribution, either from experts in the subject or from laymen is needed and welcome. The Timişoara article from Wikipedia is probably the best source of information about the city found on the net. If it's not then it should be. Currently the Timişoara article is maybe a good article. Our efforts should be targeted onto making it a feature article. I can only hope that this goal will be reached as soon as possible. Tavilis 17:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the Culture headline to Overview, because I think that article it's more about the city than its culture. I've extended it a bit, but it could be further extended. It would be nice if it were something about the arts and culture of our city (for example bands, artists, theaters, a.s.o.). Somebody could start it, maybe I'll write too of it later on. Till then I'll write about the architecture of the city. -- Zsolt Dudás 15:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The article should mention the massive disruptions of service in the public transportation field caused by Ciuhandu's endless "infrastructure renewals" that last years and only finish before local elections. And the abysmal state of the road network. AND the totally absurd one-ways, AND the even more absurd speed-bumps. In fact it shoud say in bold, "transportation (by any means) in timisoara SUCKS!". In an NPOV and objective way, of course. A little brown amongst all those shades of pink to reflect the situation in the field. -- Tase 16:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
You said that the data is relevant about the ethnicity of the region - yes but not the given town in 1910. This is relevant data when speaking about the population of the Banat or Temes county but why we should mention in the Temesvár article what kind of people lived Vrsec or Lippa or any other settlement kilometres away from the given town????
And the Central District wasn't the municipal area of Temesvár, it was an administrative unit with 20 independent villages. The town wasn't even part of it. Zello 22:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
No, it isn't part. Of the 20 villages of the former Central District only two is incorporated now into the town, 18 remained independent. Zello 23:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
These statistics even didn't prove your point as they show that the surrounding region was also ethnically mixed. Seeing the data the first thing I notice how many Germans disappeared not only from the town but also from the coutryside. Healthy demographic evolution in this area should produce a multicultural town with 3-4 different nationality. Zello 11:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
A whole people didn't go away only for money in a few decades without pressures. But the debate now is not about ethnic cleansing, I didn't use this word. We are speaking about why there is a mention of other settlements ethnic data in the Timişoara article. I said that this statistics aren't even proving your point as they show a multinational town in multinational surrounds. I'm simply saying that the Timişoara article should contain the population data of Timişoara, not neighbouring villages, Vrşec or Sydney. Zello 21:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't have any objection against the municipal area but Központi járás ISN'T that. That district means exactly these villages: Giarmata, Cerneteaz, Covaci, Sânandrei, Dudeştii Noi, Becicherecu Mic, Beregsǎu Mare, Sǎcǎlaz, Utvin, Sǎnmihaiu Romǎn, Sǎnmihaiu German, Chişoda, Giroc, Urseni, Moşniţa, Ghiroda, Remetea Mare, Şag, Parţa + three other now incorporated into the town. Does that mean anything for the 1910 Timişora?
Panonian who added the data did the same with many other town recently. That's a misconception of the former administration of the Kingdom of Hungary. In present-day Serbia "municipal area" means a dozen villages subordinated to one bigger town but in Hungary or Romania (past and present) municipal areas are much smaller, clearly defined territories of the given town itself. Zello 22:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
In the introduction (and elsewhere in the article) it states that Timişoara had a population of 336,089 in 2006. However, in the box it states that Timşioara had a population of: 317,660 (2002 census)
307,265 (as of July 1, 2004)
Both 336,089 and 307,265 are sourced, so I presume both are accurate - they merely show change over time. However, they are in conflict, so I suggest that we remove the older results and put in the most recent statistics possible so as to make the article as accurate as possible.
I'm new to Wikipedia, so I don't really know how to edit very well. Sorry to bother you all, otherwise I'd do it myself.
Is Zrenjanin, Serbia, twin town of Timisoara, Because link to official web site of Timisoara can be found at official web site of Zrenjanin? Alexzr88 17:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Near the Romanian city of Timisoara a 3000 year old settlement with defences has been found. The complex covers 2000 hectare and archaeologists think it's the biggest excavation site of Europe.
Not only the size of the find is striking, but also the quality. The settelment is completely intact. The researchers don't have any idea of who the builders of the fort might be yet.
The discovery has been made using satellite imagery and Google Earth. For more investigation a lot of money is necessary, according to the researchers. The help of Unesco has already been enlisted for this.
3000 jaar oude vesting ontdekt NOS, 20 februari 2008
Shinobu ( talk) 09:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
The city is spelled Timișoara, not Timişoara. ş is a turkish letter. ș is the correct romanian letter. There is no "cedilla" on Romanian letters. I don't know how to change the title but someone should fix it - HUGE mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.97.102 ( talk) 07:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I can see your point. A lot of work for very little return. Shouldn't something be posted about this practice on the Wikiproject:Romania page? (Although honestly I doubt I would have seen a notice before I started making the change.) -- Robert.Allen ( talk) 09:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
We have the redirects, and most search utilities these days will turn up modified characters as well as the unmodified ones, so it's not so much of a problem as it once was. -- Robert.Allen ( talk) 20:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
in photo section is picture of The Serbian Church. it's not a church, it is a cathedral. саборна црква means cathedral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.175.118.173 ( talk) 17:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Why does this section not list the number of inhabitants who are Hungarian, Serbian, German, and Jewish versus Romanian -- and historically (1880s, 1910s, 1920s, 1940s, 1980s, today)?
Who is afraid of that? And why? ------- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.73.167 ( talk) 20:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
? In romanian is right Timișoara
Szajci
pošta
07:47, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Timișoara is right. DouglasHeld ( talk) 08:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
ş --> ș (the same rule for all Romanian city names) ( Rgvis ( talk) 14:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC))
Take a look here: Timișoara at Encyclopædia Britannica.
Thanks,
( Rgvis ( talk) 15:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC))
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modern wiki pages have Other names section Readder ( talk) 06:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Wiki rules ask the presence of other names section for more than 2 names Readder ( talk) 18:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, a sockmaster is back (this time using open proxies). We can again have discussion on the different suggestions of Wikipedia on alternative/historical geographical names, etc. The option of moving them into a separate section is just one of the options, a possibility. The main guideline actually supports the original lead, which contains the other name variants. Please, read this again (quote from the second point of the guideline):
Please, also observe how many alternative variants are displayed. Four, yet, this is in the main guideline (and the cherry-picked version is in the last section of this point which discusses an alternative possibility). Moreover, the original lead is in line with the convention and consensus of similar articles. It was a stable variant for a long time, it should only be changed based on a consensus. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 12:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
PS: If we think that the lead is too long now, we can move some of the versions to a later section. For example, the Serbian, Bulgarian and Turkish variants are not widely used by English sources, thus they do not necessarily have to be in the lead. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 12:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
In December 1989, Timișoara witnessed a series of mass street protests by Romanians, Hungarians and Serbs. I removed the bolded part, cause it looks POV. What's the source for this? Why are Germans and Roma people (other important ethnicities in the city) missing? 86.126.32.82 ( talk) 10:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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this section should only include notable entities, otherwise it's WP:NOTDIR. LibStar ( talk) 07:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Timisoara is also the oldest IT centre of Romania, with a bit of tradition (the first computer was built here in 1961, being the second computer built in Romania), thousands of programmers were working in Timisoara before an IT industry even started to take shape elsewhere in Romania, after 1989, and it still employs a large number of programmers, even if Bucharest and Cluj have also caught up. Still, thousands of programmers work for global companies such as Continental, Nokia, Microsoft, IBM, Accenture and others out of the offices of those companies in Timisoara, and many more work for small, anonymous software boutiques or startups. Also, several successful Romanian startups originated in Timisoara - such as Symme3D, who set out to build 3D printers for human organs, Movidius, who created a very performant AI chip and was bought by Intel, and then some more. A European player in the field of fleet monitoring - safefleet - also originated and has its headquarter in Timisoara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:31E0:63:54C1:23B5:EEC6:BD08 ( talk) 16:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
@ KIENGIR: Do you agree that Timișoara was under the Ottoman Empire and then Habsburg/Austria from 1552 to 1867? And then under Austro-Hungary 1867–1918? Because if you agree, then you can't say the town was under Hungary until 1918. Britannica says this, and Wikipedia doesn't. Hungary led it until 1529, but after only in 1867–1918. Regards, Christina Christina ( talk) 15:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
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I reviewed this article and I have some (3) questions about:
In rest, not so important:
- there is no rising Ukrainian community in Timisoara, we should remove it in my opinion - lit by electric lamps in 1884 or 1882, no idea, it is not so important
If you are fair.
— Ioan Haţegan ( talk) 10:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
There is no need, in an English language encyclopedia, to have the names and pronunciations of the city in numerous different languages. The articles for London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow etc. do not begin with a list of foreign language names and pronunciations, and there is no need here. It is not helpful to the reader to have to wade through such names before reading what the article subject actually is. Any historical use of different names can be handled in the main text. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 12:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Because of Britannica which avoids to discuss about delicate things:
1. I removed the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin (895-896) part. You have no accurate proof and there is not one. 2. I even removed the Romanian part of Glad and Ajtony (Ahtum), although it's written in your Gesta Hungarorum.
You can keep your theories for yourself, we can keep our theories for ourselves.
3. I wrote that Charles I of Hungary rebuilt the city, instead of Charles I, in order the readers to draw conclusions. It is understandable from here you could have built and probably built Timișoara. Glad and Ajtony even if they ruled something thereby (there are proofs, I mean evidence), they might not have ruled actual Timișoara or former Temesvár.
4. The royal palace of the future capital was built by Italian craftsmen and architects.
5. I added a citation needed tag for "Crusaders met at the city before engaging in the Battle of Nicopolis in 1396." Because did they meet in town or somewhere in Banat which is known?
6. You said "the city was repeatedly besieged by the Ottomans in 1462, 1476, 1491, and 1522." Actually in our history books I only found Banat was besieged in 1462 and 1476, and Temesvár was 100% later besieged in 1491 and 1522. I corrected in order to be sure.
7. I removed this crap. "Subsequently, the city came under Habsburg rule, and it remained so until the early 20th century as part of the Banat of Temeswar, Kingdom of Hungary, Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary, except for the Ottoman occupation between 1788–1789 during the Austro-Turkish War." I put "Subsequently, the city came under Habsburg rule, except for the Ottoman occupation between 1788–1789 during the 1787–91 Austro-Turkish Warr." IF YOU WANT TO PUT THIS BACK, PLEASE BRING EVIDENCE FROM THAT CANADIAN SOURCE. Unfortunately I didn't read it because I considered it's too useless since it's really long and Britannica only speaks about the Habsburg rule.
8. "I added "The city was colonised colonized with Swabian Germans." This is important and part of the history. I mean after all the city was heavily populated by them. It's in Demography.
9. I removed the Gustave Eiffel bridge crap. Is that for History? No way, that bridge sucks anyway.
10. I put back all the names of the city back, when starting. In all the language.
11. You may not like it, I removed the hilarous ORIGIN OF THE NAME part. If you want you can prove Timișoara comes from Hungarian Temesvár, but "-oara" does not mean CASTLE or anything at all. Better is not to discuss part, from both sides (Romanian and Hungarian) in order to avoid conflicts. Because in my opinion Timișoara name comes from the Latin word of the Timiș River. Who did baptise the river? The city? Who was first, the egg or the chicken? Even you said Temes comes from Timiș River which was also known as Teyss in antiquity. There is no evidence than an invention or inventions of some.
So basically there is nothing to bother you. I hope you accept these changes. It should be more universal on these important articles since we all request a consensus between parts.
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