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This timeline page has started to use EEPA quite a bit. Do we have any info about what Europe External Programme with Africa is? It does sound a bit suspiciously like something pretending to be an inter-governmental organisation. However, the EEPA is not the European External Action Service, which is "the diplomatic service and combined foreign and defence ministry of the European Union".
Daniel has worked as a Consultant for the Brussels-based Europe External Programme with Africa (EEPA), in a multi-year advocacy and research project, titled "EU-Africa Response to Human Trafficking." In this context, he collaborated, among other things, in the publication of core chapters for edited volumes of EEPA,
So EEPA is neither an Ethiopian nor international newspaper nor a well-known NGO or human rights organisation, but at least one current and one past person are identifiable. My guess is that it's usable as a source, since we have very few sources overall. But if it's going to become a major source for key information, then major attention will have to be paid to what it really is... Boud ( talk) 02:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for raising the EEPA reliability issue. I have been wondering how an international organization be so biased. It appears EEPA is not international at all. I have been reading this timeline and found it too biased towards TPLF, and all those biased information in almost all of the cases come from EEPA. I checked their website and found that they started writing situation report on November 17 2020, few days before the war in Tigray broke. They then stopped writing situation report in August 2021. This the time when TPLF forces entered neighboring regions of Amara and Afar. I read the content of the situation reports, I would say I know when I see one, I can tell you guys these reports are coming out directly from TPLF or TPLF supporters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.137.18.35 ( talk) 19:06, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Great principle, but wouldn't it be 1 short (2 months) and one much longer article then? Why not just make it collapsible?
Suggestion: You could split up the article into smaller chunks and consider the group of articles a "series", which are then tied together by a sidebar navigation template. An example of how this has been used is Template:COVID-19 pandemic sidebar. Click the "Show" link next to "Timeline" to see how it would operate. That one breaks it down by month, but let's say (hypothetically) that you break up the Timeline of the Tigray War article into three 6-month segments. You might have a link for "Beginning to December 2020", "January-June 2021" and "July-December 2021". If an article expands so much that it is too large for Wikipedia's recommendations (currently no more than 100K bytes per article, and this one is already at 270K), then break it apart again and change the template. Each article in the series gets the sidebar at the top-right of the article, so each article would get updated just by changing the sidebar template. As an example, you could name it Template:Tigray War timeline sidebar (or Template:Tigray War sidebar if you want to make it more comprehensive than just the timeline). If there's a consensus to do this and you need someone to create the beginning sidebar (which you can then edit), I'm willing to put one together for you. I see there's already a navbar Template:Tigray conflict which goes at the bottom of an article, so we could start with some of the links that are there, too. You usually don't want a sidebar to be as full as a comprehensive navbar, but there are some detailed sidebars in Wikipedia. Platonk ( talk) 05:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Done. I split the article into three articles.
Platonk ( talk) 06:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Platonk, why is the image that you removed not relevant? Alaexis ¿question? 20:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
"Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative."It was an image of a "pile of rocks" and was placed at the top of the page as a main image. Is a pile of rocks an appropriate illustration for Timeline of the Tigray War? I would say no.
Hi guys, I have been adding the content below to this page because I thought some information prior to the war, especially since TPLF came to power, provides the context to the Tigray war. Unfortunately, it keeps on deleted. If you found speculative statements, let us remove those. If you found a statement that requires source, let us request for the source, and improve it. Why would someone delete the whole section? I strongly believe the war in Tigray requires this context I am posting, let us improve it so that it meets Wikipedia's requirements and add it:
Context
Tigray People Liberation Front (TPLF) is a political party which claims to represent the Tigrayan people of Ethiopia and came to power in 1991 after defeating the Derg regime. TPLF formed an umbrella political coalition party called EPRDF that included representative political parties from many ethnic groups. But EPRDF was dominated by TPLF for its leadership. In practice, the representatives from non-Tigrayan ethnic groups were seen as appointees instead of elected by their constituencies. For 27 years from 1991 until 2018, TPLF led EPRDF ruled the country in one of the worst ways possible with reported human right abuses, detentions, torture and corruption. [1] Just before 2018, there were some rumors that EPRDF is internally divided and the Oromo ethnic group representatives and the Amhara ethnic group representatives of the coalition are resisting TPLF brutal leadership. At the same time, anti-TPLF rallies have been conducted in Oromia linked with a master plan that aimed at linking Addis Ababa's road construction and other development plans with towns in Oromia region of Ethiopia which are located in the peripheries of the capital, Addis Ababa. [2]
The ant-TPLF movement that was linked with Addis Ababa's master development plan, was actually a coverup for a bigger ant-TPLF movement, probably organized by the Oromo representatives of EPRDF. TPLF responded by arresting and killing thousands of protesters in Oromia. [3] The ant-TPLF movement that started in Oromia was latter joined by rallies in Amhara region of Ethiopia, shouting “The blood flowing in Oromia is our blood too”. [4] This lead to a resignation of the then prime minister Hailemariam Desalegn. [5]
EPRDF had to call a meeting to choose its new leader and the Amhara and Oromo representatives of the coalition managed to merge their votes for Abiy Ahmed to be elected by EPRDF as the new leader of the coalition and also prime minister of Ethiopia. [6] TPLF leaders continued administering the Tigray region and Abiy started introducing new changes and a significant shift against TPLF's three decades of brutal leadership by releasing political prisoners, journalist, inviting exiled media outlets ... etc. [7] [8]
Abiy's administration gradually started unraveling the human right abuses, tortures, corruptions...etc. committed during TPLF leadership. Meanwhile, ethnic based clashes and unrests become everyday news in Ethiopia. Abiy's government indicated that TPLF is behind these clashes and has been releasing warnings and arresting some. For example, see this wikipedia page on the clash between Oromia and Somali that resulted in 700,000 people to be displaced in the Somali Region [9] and see this wikipedia page for the conflict in Benishangul Gumuz region [10]. People with Amhara ethnic background, living in Oromia and elsewhere, have been targets in many of the unrests after TPLF leaders were pushed back from administering the federal government. Few day before the war in Tigray broke out, in one day, gunmen rounded up and killed Amhara farmers in Oromia and set fire to homes. [11] The Ethiopian parliament was called to conduct an emergency meeting on November 3 to condemn the attack and asked the government to declare TPLF and OLA as terrorist organizations. PM Abiy said in a Twitter post "Ethiopia's enemies are vowing either to rule the country or ruin it, and they are doing everything they can to achieve this. One of their tactics is to arm civilians and carry out barbaric attacks based on identity, [for me] this is heart breaking,". On the same day, TPLF attacked multiple camps of the Northern command for the Ethiopian National Defense Force. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.137.18.35 ( talk) 19:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Using the exact wording the source used, without any speculative statements", however your edit adds "Federal troops ordered to maintain the areas they have won back recently from Tigrayan forces, government says" and there is no such concept in the source article.
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This timeline page has started to use EEPA quite a bit. Do we have any info about what Europe External Programme with Africa is? It does sound a bit suspiciously like something pretending to be an inter-governmental organisation. However, the EEPA is not the European External Action Service, which is "the diplomatic service and combined foreign and defence ministry of the European Union".
Daniel has worked as a Consultant for the Brussels-based Europe External Programme with Africa (EEPA), in a multi-year advocacy and research project, titled "EU-Africa Response to Human Trafficking." In this context, he collaborated, among other things, in the publication of core chapters for edited volumes of EEPA,
So EEPA is neither an Ethiopian nor international newspaper nor a well-known NGO or human rights organisation, but at least one current and one past person are identifiable. My guess is that it's usable as a source, since we have very few sources overall. But if it's going to become a major source for key information, then major attention will have to be paid to what it really is... Boud ( talk) 02:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for raising the EEPA reliability issue. I have been wondering how an international organization be so biased. It appears EEPA is not international at all. I have been reading this timeline and found it too biased towards TPLF, and all those biased information in almost all of the cases come from EEPA. I checked their website and found that they started writing situation report on November 17 2020, few days before the war in Tigray broke. They then stopped writing situation report in August 2021. This the time when TPLF forces entered neighboring regions of Amara and Afar. I read the content of the situation reports, I would say I know when I see one, I can tell you guys these reports are coming out directly from TPLF or TPLF supporters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.137.18.35 ( talk) 19:06, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Great principle, but wouldn't it be 1 short (2 months) and one much longer article then? Why not just make it collapsible?
Suggestion: You could split up the article into smaller chunks and consider the group of articles a "series", which are then tied together by a sidebar navigation template. An example of how this has been used is Template:COVID-19 pandemic sidebar. Click the "Show" link next to "Timeline" to see how it would operate. That one breaks it down by month, but let's say (hypothetically) that you break up the Timeline of the Tigray War article into three 6-month segments. You might have a link for "Beginning to December 2020", "January-June 2021" and "July-December 2021". If an article expands so much that it is too large for Wikipedia's recommendations (currently no more than 100K bytes per article, and this one is already at 270K), then break it apart again and change the template. Each article in the series gets the sidebar at the top-right of the article, so each article would get updated just by changing the sidebar template. As an example, you could name it Template:Tigray War timeline sidebar (or Template:Tigray War sidebar if you want to make it more comprehensive than just the timeline). If there's a consensus to do this and you need someone to create the beginning sidebar (which you can then edit), I'm willing to put one together for you. I see there's already a navbar Template:Tigray conflict which goes at the bottom of an article, so we could start with some of the links that are there, too. You usually don't want a sidebar to be as full as a comprehensive navbar, but there are some detailed sidebars in Wikipedia. Platonk ( talk) 05:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Done. I split the article into three articles.
Platonk ( talk) 06:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Platonk, why is the image that you removed not relevant? Alaexis ¿question? 20:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
"Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative."It was an image of a "pile of rocks" and was placed at the top of the page as a main image. Is a pile of rocks an appropriate illustration for Timeline of the Tigray War? I would say no.
Hi guys, I have been adding the content below to this page because I thought some information prior to the war, especially since TPLF came to power, provides the context to the Tigray war. Unfortunately, it keeps on deleted. If you found speculative statements, let us remove those. If you found a statement that requires source, let us request for the source, and improve it. Why would someone delete the whole section? I strongly believe the war in Tigray requires this context I am posting, let us improve it so that it meets Wikipedia's requirements and add it:
Context
Tigray People Liberation Front (TPLF) is a political party which claims to represent the Tigrayan people of Ethiopia and came to power in 1991 after defeating the Derg regime. TPLF formed an umbrella political coalition party called EPRDF that included representative political parties from many ethnic groups. But EPRDF was dominated by TPLF for its leadership. In practice, the representatives from non-Tigrayan ethnic groups were seen as appointees instead of elected by their constituencies. For 27 years from 1991 until 2018, TPLF led EPRDF ruled the country in one of the worst ways possible with reported human right abuses, detentions, torture and corruption. [1] Just before 2018, there were some rumors that EPRDF is internally divided and the Oromo ethnic group representatives and the Amhara ethnic group representatives of the coalition are resisting TPLF brutal leadership. At the same time, anti-TPLF rallies have been conducted in Oromia linked with a master plan that aimed at linking Addis Ababa's road construction and other development plans with towns in Oromia region of Ethiopia which are located in the peripheries of the capital, Addis Ababa. [2]
The ant-TPLF movement that was linked with Addis Ababa's master development plan, was actually a coverup for a bigger ant-TPLF movement, probably organized by the Oromo representatives of EPRDF. TPLF responded by arresting and killing thousands of protesters in Oromia. [3] The ant-TPLF movement that started in Oromia was latter joined by rallies in Amhara region of Ethiopia, shouting “The blood flowing in Oromia is our blood too”. [4] This lead to a resignation of the then prime minister Hailemariam Desalegn. [5]
EPRDF had to call a meeting to choose its new leader and the Amhara and Oromo representatives of the coalition managed to merge their votes for Abiy Ahmed to be elected by EPRDF as the new leader of the coalition and also prime minister of Ethiopia. [6] TPLF leaders continued administering the Tigray region and Abiy started introducing new changes and a significant shift against TPLF's three decades of brutal leadership by releasing political prisoners, journalist, inviting exiled media outlets ... etc. [7] [8]
Abiy's administration gradually started unraveling the human right abuses, tortures, corruptions...etc. committed during TPLF leadership. Meanwhile, ethnic based clashes and unrests become everyday news in Ethiopia. Abiy's government indicated that TPLF is behind these clashes and has been releasing warnings and arresting some. For example, see this wikipedia page on the clash between Oromia and Somali that resulted in 700,000 people to be displaced in the Somali Region [9] and see this wikipedia page for the conflict in Benishangul Gumuz region [10]. People with Amhara ethnic background, living in Oromia and elsewhere, have been targets in many of the unrests after TPLF leaders were pushed back from administering the federal government. Few day before the war in Tigray broke out, in one day, gunmen rounded up and killed Amhara farmers in Oromia and set fire to homes. [11] The Ethiopian parliament was called to conduct an emergency meeting on November 3 to condemn the attack and asked the government to declare TPLF and OLA as terrorist organizations. PM Abiy said in a Twitter post "Ethiopia's enemies are vowing either to rule the country or ruin it, and they are doing everything they can to achieve this. One of their tactics is to arm civilians and carry out barbaric attacks based on identity, [for me] this is heart breaking,". On the same day, TPLF attacked multiple camps of the Northern command for the Ethiopian National Defense Force. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.137.18.35 ( talk) 19:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Using the exact wording the source used, without any speculative statements", however your edit adds "Federal troops ordered to maintain the areas they have won back recently from Tigrayan forces, government says" and there is no such concept in the source article.