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Several events were deleted from the timeline for being "not noteworthy." I have restored each of them with a "relevance" note attached. Events of questionable notability should be debated before they are deleted altogether. -- M2545 ( talk) 17:22, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Admittedly, Ignite Philly; 8static; and Hacktory should include references to reputable 3rd party sources. But here are the reputable sources used for selecting ...
-- M2545 ( talk) 19:15, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Per the above discussion, here are a few possibilities for the beginnings of a list of objective selection criteria for city timelines in general. Comments welcome. -- M2545 ( talk) 21:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Type of event | Example | Comment |
---|---|---|
Historiographical | 1952 - Philadelphia City Archives established.
[1]
[2] 1955 – Philadelphia Historical Commission established |
Ambiguous, subjective. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Discussed in inter/national press | 2008 - South Asian American Digital Archive headquartered in city. [3] | Don't include Smallbones( smalltalk) Vague. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Local example of an inter/national trend | 1703 – Flower's coffeehouse in business. [4] | Ambiguous, subjective. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Part of a broader history | 1970 - Revolutionary People's Constitutional Convention held in city. [5] | Ambiguous, subjective. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Part of urban infrastructure | 1751 - Street lighting begins. [6] | Vague, ambiguous. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Included in an inter/national directory | 1914 – Empress Theater opens.
[7] 1988 – Vox Populi founded. [8] |
Probably not Smallbones( smalltalk) Vague. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Sister cities | No way! Smallbones( smalltalk)Not significant. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Per WP:LSC, "Selection criteria should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources." Common selection criteria include:
Option #2 clearly does not apply here. Option #3 would be a recitation of every event in the history of the city that can be found in reliable sources. In addition to being absurd, it would be anything but "short". This leaves option #1.
I am proposing that this should be a chronological list of all events within the city of Philadelphia that have non-redirect articles. There are hundreds of thousands of businesses, websites, people, parks, etc. that have been created, expanded, disestablished, born, christened, married, divorced, hired, fired, built, torn down, moved, died, etc. in the city over the past few centuries. This page should not try to list all of them. This selection method will meet our guidelines and policies, produce a useful article and forestall arguments about whether or not Uncle Joe's retirement from the corner store belongs here. It will also weed out the website that lasted of 2 years, the opening of a men's clothing store, pier renovations, etc.
Comments? - SummerPhD v2.0 16:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I'd be very careful about putting in any recent commercial/media entries. My general sense of what belongs is:
but that might come up with a fairly bland list since it pretty much requires that everybody agrees that it was important, so I might add that some communities within the city (religious, racial/ethnic, political/labor, scientific) have several entries that are especially important to them.
I think the current dispute might center around one of these communities - I'll call them millennials/cool youth. Sure this group is important, but I think they are less important than the ethnic groups who make up most of the city (and other groups above) so if they have half-a-dozen non-commercial entries, I'd feel that's enough. Smallbones( smalltalk) 14:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I got a message on my talk about a problem here, but I'm not sure what the issue is, specifically. Is this a problem of spam, special interests, some person wanting to include waaaaay to much mummers trivia? Please educate the newbie. -- SB_Johnny | talk✌ 21:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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Yes, a coffee shop opened. It was one of roughly 70,602 coffee shops that have opened at some point in the history of the city. This was a trivial event. We could set aside a month of our lives to add every coffee shop opening and closing to this article and achieve nothing. We could catalog every trivial but verifiable event in the history of the city that might somehow relate to some kind of larger trend: A Sanrio shop opened in Chinatown (as Hello Kitty became popular). Redlight cameras were added at various intersections (as technology allowed). Parking meters went from quarter-fed to credit card activated. The first ATM was added in the city. The steak sandwich was invented. Cheese was added. Whiz became an option. Sodas were taxed. Municipal trash collection began. Curbside recycling was mandated. Fishing was banned/allowed/banned again/allowed again in various rivers. Paving switched from stone and gravel (sometimes wood) to brick and tarmac to asphalt concrete. Sidewalks were widened, narrowed, removed, replaced, etc. Malls were built and destroyed. Sports teams moved from stadium to stadium, winning an losing games. Bars opened, closed, became speakeasies, then bars again. Hospitals opened, grew, merged, folded, etc. Mayors, councilmembers and judges were born, elected, ousted/retired and died. Cemeteries opened, closed, were abandoned/relocated. Pandemics came and went. Movies and TV shows were filmed. Songs were recorded. Plays were performed. Churches were built, abandoned, razed/collapsed, etc. People were born in the city, moved to the city, moved within the city, moved out of the city, married, raised children, abused children, educated children, took them to the Zoo, killed and died. Pick a year. Pick a topic. You will find a source confirming there was a "trend" and that the event occurred in the city.
Notable events, people and institutions are notable. Non-notable events, people and institutions are not. "1982: Bob Smith marched in the Mummers' Parade" and "2013: Joe's Discount Cigarette Emporium was in business" don't tell us anything about the history of the city. They might tell us a little something about what the editor who added them thinks is important. Yes, they are mentioned in reliable sources. So what? Yes, an off-topic source might indicate that there was something happening in the world and you might combine the two sources to imply something new. That is not what this article (or Wikipedia) is for. - SummerPhD v2.0 04:34, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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Several events were deleted from the timeline for being "not noteworthy." I have restored each of them with a "relevance" note attached. Events of questionable notability should be debated before they are deleted altogether. -- M2545 ( talk) 17:22, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Admittedly, Ignite Philly; 8static; and Hacktory should include references to reputable 3rd party sources. But here are the reputable sources used for selecting ...
-- M2545 ( talk) 19:15, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Per the above discussion, here are a few possibilities for the beginnings of a list of objective selection criteria for city timelines in general. Comments welcome. -- M2545 ( talk) 21:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Type of event | Example | Comment |
---|---|---|
Historiographical | 1952 - Philadelphia City Archives established.
[1]
[2] 1955 – Philadelphia Historical Commission established |
Ambiguous, subjective. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Discussed in inter/national press | 2008 - South Asian American Digital Archive headquartered in city. [3] | Don't include Smallbones( smalltalk) Vague. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Local example of an inter/national trend | 1703 – Flower's coffeehouse in business. [4] | Ambiguous, subjective. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Part of a broader history | 1970 - Revolutionary People's Constitutional Convention held in city. [5] | Ambiguous, subjective. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Part of urban infrastructure | 1751 - Street lighting begins. [6] | Vague, ambiguous. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Included in an inter/national directory | 1914 – Empress Theater opens.
[7] 1988 – Vox Populi founded. [8] |
Probably not Smallbones( smalltalk) Vague. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Sister cities | No way! Smallbones( smalltalk)Not significant. SummerPhD v2.0 15:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC) |
Per WP:LSC, "Selection criteria should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources." Common selection criteria include:
Option #2 clearly does not apply here. Option #3 would be a recitation of every event in the history of the city that can be found in reliable sources. In addition to being absurd, it would be anything but "short". This leaves option #1.
I am proposing that this should be a chronological list of all events within the city of Philadelphia that have non-redirect articles. There are hundreds of thousands of businesses, websites, people, parks, etc. that have been created, expanded, disestablished, born, christened, married, divorced, hired, fired, built, torn down, moved, died, etc. in the city over the past few centuries. This page should not try to list all of them. This selection method will meet our guidelines and policies, produce a useful article and forestall arguments about whether or not Uncle Joe's retirement from the corner store belongs here. It will also weed out the website that lasted of 2 years, the opening of a men's clothing store, pier renovations, etc.
Comments? - SummerPhD v2.0 16:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I'd be very careful about putting in any recent commercial/media entries. My general sense of what belongs is:
but that might come up with a fairly bland list since it pretty much requires that everybody agrees that it was important, so I might add that some communities within the city (religious, racial/ethnic, political/labor, scientific) have several entries that are especially important to them.
I think the current dispute might center around one of these communities - I'll call them millennials/cool youth. Sure this group is important, but I think they are less important than the ethnic groups who make up most of the city (and other groups above) so if they have half-a-dozen non-commercial entries, I'd feel that's enough. Smallbones( smalltalk) 14:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I got a message on my talk about a problem here, but I'm not sure what the issue is, specifically. Is this a problem of spam, special interests, some person wanting to include waaaaay to much mummers trivia? Please educate the newbie. -- SB_Johnny | talk✌ 21:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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Yes, a coffee shop opened. It was one of roughly 70,602 coffee shops that have opened at some point in the history of the city. This was a trivial event. We could set aside a month of our lives to add every coffee shop opening and closing to this article and achieve nothing. We could catalog every trivial but verifiable event in the history of the city that might somehow relate to some kind of larger trend: A Sanrio shop opened in Chinatown (as Hello Kitty became popular). Redlight cameras were added at various intersections (as technology allowed). Parking meters went from quarter-fed to credit card activated. The first ATM was added in the city. The steak sandwich was invented. Cheese was added. Whiz became an option. Sodas were taxed. Municipal trash collection began. Curbside recycling was mandated. Fishing was banned/allowed/banned again/allowed again in various rivers. Paving switched from stone and gravel (sometimes wood) to brick and tarmac to asphalt concrete. Sidewalks were widened, narrowed, removed, replaced, etc. Malls were built and destroyed. Sports teams moved from stadium to stadium, winning an losing games. Bars opened, closed, became speakeasies, then bars again. Hospitals opened, grew, merged, folded, etc. Mayors, councilmembers and judges were born, elected, ousted/retired and died. Cemeteries opened, closed, were abandoned/relocated. Pandemics came and went. Movies and TV shows were filmed. Songs were recorded. Plays were performed. Churches were built, abandoned, razed/collapsed, etc. People were born in the city, moved to the city, moved within the city, moved out of the city, married, raised children, abused children, educated children, took them to the Zoo, killed and died. Pick a year. Pick a topic. You will find a source confirming there was a "trend" and that the event occurred in the city.
Notable events, people and institutions are notable. Non-notable events, people and institutions are not. "1982: Bob Smith marched in the Mummers' Parade" and "2013: Joe's Discount Cigarette Emporium was in business" don't tell us anything about the history of the city. They might tell us a little something about what the editor who added them thinks is important. Yes, they are mentioned in reliable sources. So what? Yes, an off-topic source might indicate that there was something happening in the world and you might combine the two sources to imply something new. That is not what this article (or Wikipedia) is for. - SummerPhD v2.0 04:34, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
![]() | Material from Timeline of Philadelphia was split to Bibliography of Philadelphia on 15 January 2016 from this version. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists. Please leave this template in place to link the article histories and preserve this attribution. |