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The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Timeline of the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict → Timeline of Operation Protective Edge – This is clearly what this page deals with WarKosign ( talk) 07:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC) There is an ongoing debate whether the parent page (currently titled 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict) should keep that name. This specific page deals only with the timeline of the operation, from the day it began till the (so far) last day. There is more than what's currently on this page in '2014 Israel-Gaza conflict' - at very least it could include kidnapping of 3 teenagers and Operation Brother's Keeper. As long as it doesn't, this page only describes the timeline of Operation Protective Edge, and should be named accordingly.
Both articles are largely the same subject, A day by day breakdown of battles and casualties Gaijin42 ( talk) 02:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Against merger .I don't think both articles handle the same subject. One is a detailed causalities/IAF strikes list, the other is a timeline of main events/developments of the conflict. -- علي سمسم ( talk) 01:00, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Against merger. As علي سمسم stated, both articles do not handle the same subject. The List of Israeli strikes and Palestinian casualties in Operation Protective Edge article does need work to remove content that is not within the scope of the article and is more fitting for the timeline article. However, only days 16, 17, and 18 have this problem. This is not enough to warrant a merger. The rest of the List of Israeli strikes and Palestinian casualties in Operation Protective Edge article is a detailed casualties/IAF strikes list and is clearly distinct from this article. Additionally, both articles are of the length where Wikipedia's size guideline recommends an article split, not a merger.-- Tdl1060 ( talk) 02:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Against this article is neutral and covers an over view of both sides. The other article is one sided and also has been neglected for days on end. Definitely not worthy of a merger - Galatz ( talk) 03:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
If you decide to merge, don't forget to merge List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014 as well. WarKosign ( talk) 08:08, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Most of the lede of the main article 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict is timeline, the info should be merged into the section 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict#Operation timeline and/or this article Timeline of the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict. Obankston ( talk) 18:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I have added an "Overview" section. The section currently consists of the text of the section 2014_Israel–Gaza_conflict#Operation_timeline in the main article. I will leave it like this for a day or two, to ensure that there is consensus that this is OK. My plan is to WP:TRANSCLUDE this section into the main article. This way, any updates which are sufficiently important can be included here and will automatically be reflected in the main article. Kingsindian ( talk) 16:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
An anonymous user, 84.108.204.8, is continually adding incorrect information to the article, I believe in good faith, however it is all unverified. I have reversed it several times because the anonymous IP address is not included in the IRR, however this is a big issue. They are reporting rocket attacks when there was what appears to be a siren false alarm. They are also adding information not pertaining to the conflict. Additionally they are stating the Egypt is opening the Israel-Gaza border, and removing the part that mentions the removal of the blockade. I am sure these are in good faith, however there are many issues with it. - Galatz ( talk) 17:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Fz62: The statement in question says "The operation was also preceded by the jailing of hundreds of Palestinians". You wrote "they took place between May and July 8 2014". Please point WHAT took place on these dates, how it's relevant to the article and why is it more WP:DUE in the timeline article than many other events in the background section of the main article.
"air strikes on Gaza in which at least 6 Palestinians were killed" is a gross misrepresentation of the source - the statement is that airstrikes killed "at least" 6 in Gaza while the source talks about Operation Brother's Keeper in the West Bank (and says nothing about airstrikes). OBK has a dedicated article and is already covered in some detail in the main article's background section. Murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir is covered there as well. “ WarKosign ” 12:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
@ WarKosign: all those events took place between those dates. It is true that the source I referred to indicates that at least 6 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank and not in Gaza (thank you for pointing this out, it should also be added however that the airstrikes on Gaza killed three and wounded more than a dozen, see [1]), but it is also true that the killing of the three young Israeli Jews took place outside of Gaza, as well as the killing of the two Palestinian teenagers the previous May 15. So, unless you wish to claim that also the killing of the three young Israeli Jews is unrelated to the "operation", also the jailings and killings of Palestinians in all the occupied territories are related. As for the murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, it is certainly covered elsewhere, as is everything else you mention, including the killing of the three Israeli Jews the previous June. yellow_snow_62 ( talk) 21:34, 26 February 2015 (UTC)Fz62
@ Nishidani: Why did you add the statistics here and not in the main article with the rest of the numbers ? “ WarKosign ” 13:42, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
There are currently in the article two pictures of injured Palestinian children ( 1, 2), but not a single one of an Israeli. That's clearly biased and violates NPOV. That's why this image must remain in the article to add some balance. In fact, I don't understand why it was removed in the first place. I don't see a clear consensus for this. But if the picture of the Israeli kid must be dismissed for some strange reason, at least one of those two pictures showing Palestinian children should be removed also. Don't you think?-- Averysoda ( talk) 20:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
You appear to have made a blind revert. You challenge the use of Mondoweiss, as is your right. You have no right however to excise in the same edit a datum not sourced to Mondoweiss, consisting of text and a link to another wiki page where the facts are fully documented. I refer to:
That is a deceptive edit summary. Removing at the same time:
An Israel missile killed 9 youths and wounded 15 as they were watching the Argentine-Netherlands semi-final match in a beach café in Khan Younis
is a particularly egregious form of POV censorship because the text mentions that rocket firing stopped during the world cup broadcast that night (this you don't challenge). and when I added the missing fact that Israel continued to fire missiles, killing 9 civilians in one case, you expunge it. Thus maimed, the falsity by omission of the text is sustained. Editing ethics requires that it be restored, as having absolutely nothing to do with the contention in your edit summary. Nishidani ( talk) 10:13, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
For the few who will wade through its 183 pages, the report makes for harrowing reading. It devotes ample space and deference to Israelis suffering from rocket attacks, but its eyewitness accounts of the scenes of carnage in Gaza in the wake of Israel air force bombings in which entire families were wiped out will disturb even the most ardent justifier of Israeli actions. They are, in a word, atrocious.
"The ordinary response to atrocities is to banish them from consciousness,” Judith Herman writes in the book Trauma and Recovery, but that observation relates to people who had been exposed to the calamities in the first place. Last summer, the overwhelming majority of Israelis were spared the sights and sounds of the carnage in Gaza: Israeli media refrained from covering the suffering of Gazans while politicians and pundits maintained that it was unpatriotic to even discuss. The hardships and ordeals of Israelis cowering from rocket attacks, undeniable in and of themselves, were magnified tenfold while the misery of Gaza was not only downplayed but also depicted as well deserved. Chemi Shalev , 'UN report on Gaza will further embed Israelis in their isolated bunker,' Haaretz 22 June 2015.
Jerusalem Post and Times of Israel are known reliable sources (they don't lie), at least more reliable than Arab newspapers that you cite all the time like .. Haaretz.
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The pictures give a very biased and inaccurate impression as they depict only the aftermath of the destruction of homes in Israel , while no photos were shown of what happened to homes in Gaza. There are so many pictures online of destroyed homes in Gaza during this war , yet none were shown in the article.-- Ahmodye ( talk) 01:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Timeline of the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict → Timeline of Operation Protective Edge – This is clearly what this page deals with WarKosign ( talk) 07:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC) There is an ongoing debate whether the parent page (currently titled 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict) should keep that name. This specific page deals only with the timeline of the operation, from the day it began till the (so far) last day. There is more than what's currently on this page in '2014 Israel-Gaza conflict' - at very least it could include kidnapping of 3 teenagers and Operation Brother's Keeper. As long as it doesn't, this page only describes the timeline of Operation Protective Edge, and should be named accordingly.
Both articles are largely the same subject, A day by day breakdown of battles and casualties Gaijin42 ( talk) 02:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Against merger .I don't think both articles handle the same subject. One is a detailed causalities/IAF strikes list, the other is a timeline of main events/developments of the conflict. -- علي سمسم ( talk) 01:00, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Against merger. As علي سمسم stated, both articles do not handle the same subject. The List of Israeli strikes and Palestinian casualties in Operation Protective Edge article does need work to remove content that is not within the scope of the article and is more fitting for the timeline article. However, only days 16, 17, and 18 have this problem. This is not enough to warrant a merger. The rest of the List of Israeli strikes and Palestinian casualties in Operation Protective Edge article is a detailed casualties/IAF strikes list and is clearly distinct from this article. Additionally, both articles are of the length where Wikipedia's size guideline recommends an article split, not a merger.-- Tdl1060 ( talk) 02:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Against this article is neutral and covers an over view of both sides. The other article is one sided and also has been neglected for days on end. Definitely not worthy of a merger - Galatz ( talk) 03:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
If you decide to merge, don't forget to merge List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014 as well. WarKosign ( talk) 08:08, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Most of the lede of the main article 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict is timeline, the info should be merged into the section 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict#Operation timeline and/or this article Timeline of the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict. Obankston ( talk) 18:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I have added an "Overview" section. The section currently consists of the text of the section 2014_Israel–Gaza_conflict#Operation_timeline in the main article. I will leave it like this for a day or two, to ensure that there is consensus that this is OK. My plan is to WP:TRANSCLUDE this section into the main article. This way, any updates which are sufficiently important can be included here and will automatically be reflected in the main article. Kingsindian ( talk) 16:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
An anonymous user, 84.108.204.8, is continually adding incorrect information to the article, I believe in good faith, however it is all unverified. I have reversed it several times because the anonymous IP address is not included in the IRR, however this is a big issue. They are reporting rocket attacks when there was what appears to be a siren false alarm. They are also adding information not pertaining to the conflict. Additionally they are stating the Egypt is opening the Israel-Gaza border, and removing the part that mentions the removal of the blockade. I am sure these are in good faith, however there are many issues with it. - Galatz ( talk) 17:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@ Fz62: The statement in question says "The operation was also preceded by the jailing of hundreds of Palestinians". You wrote "they took place between May and July 8 2014". Please point WHAT took place on these dates, how it's relevant to the article and why is it more WP:DUE in the timeline article than many other events in the background section of the main article.
"air strikes on Gaza in which at least 6 Palestinians were killed" is a gross misrepresentation of the source - the statement is that airstrikes killed "at least" 6 in Gaza while the source talks about Operation Brother's Keeper in the West Bank (and says nothing about airstrikes). OBK has a dedicated article and is already covered in some detail in the main article's background section. Murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir is covered there as well. “ WarKosign ” 12:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
@ WarKosign: all those events took place between those dates. It is true that the source I referred to indicates that at least 6 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank and not in Gaza (thank you for pointing this out, it should also be added however that the airstrikes on Gaza killed three and wounded more than a dozen, see [1]), but it is also true that the killing of the three young Israeli Jews took place outside of Gaza, as well as the killing of the two Palestinian teenagers the previous May 15. So, unless you wish to claim that also the killing of the three young Israeli Jews is unrelated to the "operation", also the jailings and killings of Palestinians in all the occupied territories are related. As for the murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, it is certainly covered elsewhere, as is everything else you mention, including the killing of the three Israeli Jews the previous June. yellow_snow_62 ( talk) 21:34, 26 February 2015 (UTC)Fz62
@ Nishidani: Why did you add the statistics here and not in the main article with the rest of the numbers ? “ WarKosign ” 13:42, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
There are currently in the article two pictures of injured Palestinian children ( 1, 2), but not a single one of an Israeli. That's clearly biased and violates NPOV. That's why this image must remain in the article to add some balance. In fact, I don't understand why it was removed in the first place. I don't see a clear consensus for this. But if the picture of the Israeli kid must be dismissed for some strange reason, at least one of those two pictures showing Palestinian children should be removed also. Don't you think?-- Averysoda ( talk) 20:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
You appear to have made a blind revert. You challenge the use of Mondoweiss, as is your right. You have no right however to excise in the same edit a datum not sourced to Mondoweiss, consisting of text and a link to another wiki page where the facts are fully documented. I refer to:
That is a deceptive edit summary. Removing at the same time:
An Israel missile killed 9 youths and wounded 15 as they were watching the Argentine-Netherlands semi-final match in a beach café in Khan Younis
is a particularly egregious form of POV censorship because the text mentions that rocket firing stopped during the world cup broadcast that night (this you don't challenge). and when I added the missing fact that Israel continued to fire missiles, killing 9 civilians in one case, you expunge it. Thus maimed, the falsity by omission of the text is sustained. Editing ethics requires that it be restored, as having absolutely nothing to do with the contention in your edit summary. Nishidani ( talk) 10:13, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
For the few who will wade through its 183 pages, the report makes for harrowing reading. It devotes ample space and deference to Israelis suffering from rocket attacks, but its eyewitness accounts of the scenes of carnage in Gaza in the wake of Israel air force bombings in which entire families were wiped out will disturb even the most ardent justifier of Israeli actions. They are, in a word, atrocious.
"The ordinary response to atrocities is to banish them from consciousness,” Judith Herman writes in the book Trauma and Recovery, but that observation relates to people who had been exposed to the calamities in the first place. Last summer, the overwhelming majority of Israelis were spared the sights and sounds of the carnage in Gaza: Israeli media refrained from covering the suffering of Gazans while politicians and pundits maintained that it was unpatriotic to even discuss. The hardships and ordeals of Israelis cowering from rocket attacks, undeniable in and of themselves, were magnified tenfold while the misery of Gaza was not only downplayed but also depicted as well deserved. Chemi Shalev , 'UN report on Gaza will further embed Israelis in their isolated bunker,' Haaretz 22 June 2015.
Jerusalem Post and Times of Israel are known reliable sources (they don't lie), at least more reliable than Arab newspapers that you cite all the time like .. Haaretz.
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The pictures give a very biased and inaccurate impression as they depict only the aftermath of the destruction of homes in Israel , while no photos were shown of what happened to homes in Gaza. There are so many pictures online of destroyed homes in Gaza during this war , yet none were shown in the article.-- Ahmodye ( talk) 01:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
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