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This article is crap. There is bias in the language and some of the sentences have nothing to do with him at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.220.238.140 ( talk • contribs)
I agree with you. What the f*** is up with this article? Jim16
10 YEAR UPDATE - I tried to clean up some of the worst NPOV violations, but work still needs to be done in the "Political positions" section (it read like a press release). The section also lacks many citations. Jsniessen ( talk) 14:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
The specifics of how a senator is replaced need to be double-checked. I'm pretty sure (and heard on the news) that an appointed replacement senator serves until the term expires; no special elections are held. -- ChrisDC 00:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
According to MSNBC, Tim Johnson's office just said that he did not have a stroke, but is under medical evaluation...can someone check to confirm this? viperdude908 08:00 p.m, 13 December 2006
Unless I am greatly mistaken, all of Chapter 12-11 (see below) applies to the United States Congress. Section 12-11-1 makes it clear that a U.S. Senate temporary appointment would result in a special election within 90 days. Section 12-11-5 makes this unclear. — MJBurrage • TALK • 01:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Chapter 12-11 — Special Congressional Elections
There is a lot of material here to expand on, especially the Senator's recent cancer treatment. If someone could include that information, please do. -- Daysleeper47 13:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This is not a news article. The part about what happens if he has to resign, which I might add there is no sign of, is not needed. State his health condition and then move on. This is a bio, not a CNN article.
Actually, it's a Wikipedia page, among whose characteristics is the ability to change swiftly to reflect important new information. Tim Johnson's medical condition may tip power in the U.S. Senate. Leaving that out would slight Wikipedia and its readers. PRRfan 15:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
How is putting in that Mike Rounds would name a replacement IF he resigns slighting readers? He's alive for Christ sakes. Let's also add what his wife would do if he dies. Or what his kids/grandchildren/friends/family will do. We sure don't want to slight Wikipedia and its readers. We also need to put on every senator's page what happens if they resign or die, because we don't want to slight Wikipedia and its readers. LightningOffense 04:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid I can't quite make out your argument. In any case, in a single day Johnson went from being one of the more obscure members of the U.S. Senate to front-page news and a potential fulcrum of power. Perhaps Johnson will recover and his medical condition will become of concern to him and his family alone. But for now, it's the only reason Johnson is the talk of Washington. By the way, use four tildes (~~~~) to generate your sig. PRRfan 23:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, help here please!! You guys had a sentence repeated in the paragraph--about Johnson's being responsive to touch and voice. When I deleted it the copy went funny. Sorry. Yopienso 21:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
It has been over a week now since Sen. Johnson had his "stroke like symptoms" and he is still alive and according to all reports, he will likely make a full recovery. I think it is time to start discussing the removal of what happens if he were to die in office. LightningOffense 01:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Nope, I don't think so. The potential effect of Johnson's malady on the U.S. Senate remains, with all due respect to his family and friends, the most significant thing about him. It may well remain so even if, as now seems likely but by no means certain, he recovers fully. LO, what's your rush? Wikipedia is not, after all, paper. PRRfan 06:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
The comment about his lack of recent public appearance uses the word aneurysm, but that is distinct from an arteriovenous malformation. While often conflated, they are distinct conditions, even when a rupture of the blood vessels occurs as a result of an AVM. -- Alcourt 13:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I hope everyone is keeping an open mind and considering that this man was poisioned. It is an age old political trick, see 'I, Claudius' 67.169.214.13 19:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
This section is all very interesting information, which nonetheless probably doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article, certainly not this article. If Senator Johnson makes a full recovery before the end of his term, this section will be removed. If Sentator Johnson resigns/dies, this section will be removed (and replaced with something like "Senator Johnson was replaced by so-and-so on his resignation/death"). I suggest removing the section, adding a sentence to the previous paragraph on his latest health problems along the lines of "The Senator's illness led several media commentators to speculate on how his possible death or resignation would affect the balance of power in the Senate. [insert some references here]". CyborgTosser ( Only half the battle) 23:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with post. I have tried to get rid of this section, but somebody always put it back in. It certainly appears that the will not have to resign before his term is up. LightningOffense 23:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Senator Johnson is suppose to be back to work on September 5 (I think that was the day), I purpose that this article be changed and the ramifications of death section be either greatly rewritten or removed all together. Obviously, the change shouldn't be made until that date. Anybody have any thoughts on that? LightningOffense 20:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Following LightningOffense's edit, I restored the following paragraph:
Senate precedent has seen members serve despite disabling physical illness. Several senators, including Karl Mundt ( R- SD), have served out terms while disabled. [1] Others have requested leaves for surgery or illness, which have been granted by the Senate, and the members returned after recovery. In one often-cited instance of a Senator serving despite disability, in 1964 Senator Clair Engle (D-CA), who was suffering from brain cancer, was wheeled into the Senate and pointed to his eye, signifying his vote to end a filibuster against the passage of the Civil Rights Act [2] ("eye" is a homophone with "aye", the term used in Congress to signify an affirming vote).
Although LightningOffense believes this paragraph belongs in the United States Senate article, it's not there currently. (Perhaps it should be added to the Senate article.) More to the point, I believe that it's directly relevant to Johnson's current position. Wikipedia readers who want to know about the ramifications of his health situation (and any precedents that might be relevant) are more likely to come to this article than to the Senate article. Let's continue to give them what they want.-- HughGRex 11:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
References
The point Michael Moore reference confuses the point. While it was true at that time that Johnson was the only Senator with a son or daughter in the military, that is no longer the case. That language probably needs to be tightened up to more strongly reference that the distinction either isn't true anymore, or was true at that point in time.
Perm Dude 22:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Perm Dude 01:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040913/news_1m13duncan.html Representative Duncan Hunter has a son that served in Iraq (2003-2004).
Kabulykos How is any of the "other members of congress have children in the military" specifically relevant to Tim Johnson bio or family info? It just smells like a (now-extremely-dated) attack on Michael Moore's credibility. Off topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabulykos ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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This article is crap. There is bias in the language and some of the sentences have nothing to do with him at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.220.238.140 ( talk • contribs)
I agree with you. What the f*** is up with this article? Jim16
10 YEAR UPDATE - I tried to clean up some of the worst NPOV violations, but work still needs to be done in the "Political positions" section (it read like a press release). The section also lacks many citations. Jsniessen ( talk) 14:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
The specifics of how a senator is replaced need to be double-checked. I'm pretty sure (and heard on the news) that an appointed replacement senator serves until the term expires; no special elections are held. -- ChrisDC 00:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
According to MSNBC, Tim Johnson's office just said that he did not have a stroke, but is under medical evaluation...can someone check to confirm this? viperdude908 08:00 p.m, 13 December 2006
Unless I am greatly mistaken, all of Chapter 12-11 (see below) applies to the United States Congress. Section 12-11-1 makes it clear that a U.S. Senate temporary appointment would result in a special election within 90 days. Section 12-11-5 makes this unclear. — MJBurrage • TALK • 01:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Chapter 12-11 — Special Congressional Elections
There is a lot of material here to expand on, especially the Senator's recent cancer treatment. If someone could include that information, please do. -- Daysleeper47 13:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This is not a news article. The part about what happens if he has to resign, which I might add there is no sign of, is not needed. State his health condition and then move on. This is a bio, not a CNN article.
Actually, it's a Wikipedia page, among whose characteristics is the ability to change swiftly to reflect important new information. Tim Johnson's medical condition may tip power in the U.S. Senate. Leaving that out would slight Wikipedia and its readers. PRRfan 15:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
How is putting in that Mike Rounds would name a replacement IF he resigns slighting readers? He's alive for Christ sakes. Let's also add what his wife would do if he dies. Or what his kids/grandchildren/friends/family will do. We sure don't want to slight Wikipedia and its readers. We also need to put on every senator's page what happens if they resign or die, because we don't want to slight Wikipedia and its readers. LightningOffense 04:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid I can't quite make out your argument. In any case, in a single day Johnson went from being one of the more obscure members of the U.S. Senate to front-page news and a potential fulcrum of power. Perhaps Johnson will recover and his medical condition will become of concern to him and his family alone. But for now, it's the only reason Johnson is the talk of Washington. By the way, use four tildes (~~~~) to generate your sig. PRRfan 23:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, help here please!! You guys had a sentence repeated in the paragraph--about Johnson's being responsive to touch and voice. When I deleted it the copy went funny. Sorry. Yopienso 21:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
It has been over a week now since Sen. Johnson had his "stroke like symptoms" and he is still alive and according to all reports, he will likely make a full recovery. I think it is time to start discussing the removal of what happens if he were to die in office. LightningOffense 01:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Nope, I don't think so. The potential effect of Johnson's malady on the U.S. Senate remains, with all due respect to his family and friends, the most significant thing about him. It may well remain so even if, as now seems likely but by no means certain, he recovers fully. LO, what's your rush? Wikipedia is not, after all, paper. PRRfan 06:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
The comment about his lack of recent public appearance uses the word aneurysm, but that is distinct from an arteriovenous malformation. While often conflated, they are distinct conditions, even when a rupture of the blood vessels occurs as a result of an AVM. -- Alcourt 13:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I hope everyone is keeping an open mind and considering that this man was poisioned. It is an age old political trick, see 'I, Claudius' 67.169.214.13 19:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
This section is all very interesting information, which nonetheless probably doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article, certainly not this article. If Senator Johnson makes a full recovery before the end of his term, this section will be removed. If Sentator Johnson resigns/dies, this section will be removed (and replaced with something like "Senator Johnson was replaced by so-and-so on his resignation/death"). I suggest removing the section, adding a sentence to the previous paragraph on his latest health problems along the lines of "The Senator's illness led several media commentators to speculate on how his possible death or resignation would affect the balance of power in the Senate. [insert some references here]". CyborgTosser ( Only half the battle) 23:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with post. I have tried to get rid of this section, but somebody always put it back in. It certainly appears that the will not have to resign before his term is up. LightningOffense 23:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Senator Johnson is suppose to be back to work on September 5 (I think that was the day), I purpose that this article be changed and the ramifications of death section be either greatly rewritten or removed all together. Obviously, the change shouldn't be made until that date. Anybody have any thoughts on that? LightningOffense 20:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Following LightningOffense's edit, I restored the following paragraph:
Senate precedent has seen members serve despite disabling physical illness. Several senators, including Karl Mundt ( R- SD), have served out terms while disabled. [1] Others have requested leaves for surgery or illness, which have been granted by the Senate, and the members returned after recovery. In one often-cited instance of a Senator serving despite disability, in 1964 Senator Clair Engle (D-CA), who was suffering from brain cancer, was wheeled into the Senate and pointed to his eye, signifying his vote to end a filibuster against the passage of the Civil Rights Act [2] ("eye" is a homophone with "aye", the term used in Congress to signify an affirming vote).
Although LightningOffense believes this paragraph belongs in the United States Senate article, it's not there currently. (Perhaps it should be added to the Senate article.) More to the point, I believe that it's directly relevant to Johnson's current position. Wikipedia readers who want to know about the ramifications of his health situation (and any precedents that might be relevant) are more likely to come to this article than to the Senate article. Let's continue to give them what they want.-- HughGRex 11:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
References
The point Michael Moore reference confuses the point. While it was true at that time that Johnson was the only Senator with a son or daughter in the military, that is no longer the case. That language probably needs to be tightened up to more strongly reference that the distinction either isn't true anymore, or was true at that point in time.
Perm Dude 22:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Perm Dude 01:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040913/news_1m13duncan.html Representative Duncan Hunter has a son that served in Iraq (2003-2004).
Kabulykos How is any of the "other members of congress have children in the military" specifically relevant to Tim Johnson bio or family info? It just smells like a (now-extremely-dated) attack on Michael Moore's credibility. Off topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabulykos ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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