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Despite having been brought up with using Lime, I feel that Linden is the more appropriate, as:
(a) Linden is an old English common name as well, is still in popular use in some parts of Britain, and is generally fairly well-known as an alternative name here;
(b) Lime as a name for Tilia is almost unknown in the US, so many there will be confused by it, not least because
(c) Lime is also widely used for other plants (Citrus spp.), while Linden is unique to Tilia.
Finally, (d) Linden is closer to the common names in several other European languages (Swedish, Danish, German, etc), so will be more readily recognised by non-English readers.
I think it would be a good idea to change the wording to give Linden as the first choice of English name for Tilia species.
Anyone wish to comment? MPF 23:23, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
As an American who has taught English in Germany, I have continually having to say 'They say this in England, and we say that in the US, something the French and Swedish teachers didn't have to do. Any discussion of the common name of Tilia species HAS to include regional differences. That's why the Latin naming system was introduced. The name lime in the US refers ONLY to the citrus fruit and to no other tree. 8 April 2010
I'm replacing the section on etymology. I have seen no evidence that the exact form 'linden' with the final 'n', existed in Anglo Saxon or Norse, or that it is used anywhere today in Britain, except in borrowings from German or US English. The Anglo Saxon form was linde, which changed to linne in old English, probably under Norse influence (see the Flora Britannica, Concise Oxford Dictionary). The word linden was used, but only as a grammatical derivative, meaning like the lind (cf. ashen, oaken). Imc 12:20, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi Imc - not entirely so; e.g. "the lime is also known, on both sides of the Atlantic, by its older name of linden" (A F Mitchell, Forestry Commission Booklet 20, 1968). I know of linden in UK popular usage as a northern England / Scotland country name; admittedly rare now, but still heard at least occasionally from old folk. Linden is also surprisingly often (more so than lime in e.g. Newcastle upon Tyne and Manchester, to look in two street atlases) used as a street name (Linden Road, Linden Avenue, etc) - MPF 15:51, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Imc 17:50, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Given the not entirely settled problem over common names, I'd suggest the species all be moved to their scientific names to avoid problems and confusion. Tilia platyphyllos has been so moved for starters, I'll do the rest soon unless there are strong objections - MPF 17:02, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
This has absolutely nothing to do with Tilia. bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 17:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
From the text:
The lime tree is the
national emblem of
Slovenia, where it is called lipa.
Added by User:71.65.99.134 :
Not sure if the previous line is an error, but I am certain that the lime tree was the national tree of the former Czechoslovakia and is now the national tree of the Czech Republic. It is called Lipa.
The lime tree is the old legendary tree, I may say a holy tree, of the Slavs. This dates from the pre-christian times in the slavic regions, where the lime tree (Lipa) symbolized peace and general welfare of the times and the oak tree, on the other hand, (the tree dedicated to the thunder-god of war Perun) symbolized the times of war and the fight for the homeland.
Slavic people, being generally a peace loving folk, praised the lime tree and the peace times more than the war-times, making the "Lipa" slightly more popular as a Town-center than the oak.
An old south slavic verse:
"Cvjetokitna lipo, tebe u svoj srdi, Niti Perun žarkom strijelom ne nagrdi!"
"You lime tree rich with flowers, in your holy center,
Not even Perun can bring thunderbolts to enter
The linden is an excellent shade tree but in the spring it will form bracts by the thousands, which fall to the ground (or into anything that is beneath the tree). If a car is parked beneath and a window is left open, you'll find bracts inside the car. They can get into the engine compartment via the grille or windshield wiper channel. Musicwriter 23:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Who can help me with some information? I am looking for a reference, that T. x euchlora is a hybrid of T. dasystyla and T. platyphyllos. Many thanks! Heike
Keeler's book mentions:
( SEWilco 05:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC))
Keeler's book mentions:
( SEWilco 05:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC))
I am not much of an editor so I am hoping someone else can make this change but Freya was not the wife of Thor. Thanks to whomever and my sincere appreciation for all the people that are more proficient at Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.41.1.62 ( talk) 23:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Tolkien might be added here as he certainly would have been aware of the etymology of "linden" and the Germanic associations of the tree and word, particularly dancing under the linden tree. He associates Luthien's dance for Beren with the linden tree, describing it in the poem "Light as Leaf on Linden Tree", a version of which Aragorn recites for the hobbits under Weathertop in "Fellowship of the King". See Tom Shippey, The Road to Middle-Earth, revised and expanded, 2003, p. 257
Cpgray ( talk) 14:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to add the song "Lime Tree" by Trevor Hall. The chorus goes: "Took awhile for you to find me. But I was hiding in the lime tree. Above the city in a rain cloud. Poked a hole and watched it drain out" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100E:B007:65C4:225:FF:FE3D:9DAB ( talk) 04:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Is it elm tree or tilia which is used for traditional Ainu clothing? -- 134.102.3.20 ( talk) 13:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I’d like to know, and see in the article perhaps, how “basswood” is pronounced: bass as in the fish or bass as in the instrument (or vocal/instrumental range). Thanks. — 68.49.50.181 ( talk) 19:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Basswood is the premier wood used by miniaturists, particularly in making furniture or tiny duplicates of wooden artifacts. I didn't add this because I don't think it's important but it might be mentioned in the section on uses. Since the advent of the Inet, the miniature community has grown exponentially and basswood has become very popular. Tredzwater ( talk) 22:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I find it unusual that the article does not mention the distinctive odour. Essentially it is well known that linden trees smell of come. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4p0uw42cdo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.21.186 ( talk) 15:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to make everyone aware who is responsible for editing and managing this page that the picture of autumn foliage in the Ekoparken in Sweden at the bottom of the page is not in fact, a Tilia tree or grove at all. Those splendid colors are the leaves of European Beech, Fagus Sylvatica. Please remove the media for accuracy's sake. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.2.91.92 ( talk) 15:25, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
An article on a botanical subject should look like this. Cupressaceae, Mahogany, Spruce. Lime tree in culture contains the information not related to tree species. WP:Trivia descourage the addition of material not related to article. Read also the Template:In popular culture and WP:Popular culture. Hafspajen ( talk) 21:49, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
"The leaves of all the Tilia species are heart-shaped" - yet the photo beside this statement shows a leaf that has no indentation at its base. This is not what I would call heart-shaped. How about aristate or deltoid? Kdammers ( talk) 22:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello! All my recent additions to Tilia ( /info/en/?search=Tilia) have been deleted under the name of RW. The greatest species of Tilia is found in Asia, but there is no information about Southeast Asia in Tilia entry. How happy I was to be able to make some related shares in Tilia entry these days, but these shares have been deleted. Can you please help me to restore after understanding what I shared? If there is a problem with my English, can you please help to improve it? Best regards, Ping an Chang ( talk) 06:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello! If you think the content needs to be improved, would you like to give me some suggestions? Thank you very much! Best regards, Ping an Chang ( talk) 09:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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Despite having been brought up with using Lime, I feel that Linden is the more appropriate, as:
(a) Linden is an old English common name as well, is still in popular use in some parts of Britain, and is generally fairly well-known as an alternative name here;
(b) Lime as a name for Tilia is almost unknown in the US, so many there will be confused by it, not least because
(c) Lime is also widely used for other plants (Citrus spp.), while Linden is unique to Tilia.
Finally, (d) Linden is closer to the common names in several other European languages (Swedish, Danish, German, etc), so will be more readily recognised by non-English readers.
I think it would be a good idea to change the wording to give Linden as the first choice of English name for Tilia species.
Anyone wish to comment? MPF 23:23, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
As an American who has taught English in Germany, I have continually having to say 'They say this in England, and we say that in the US, something the French and Swedish teachers didn't have to do. Any discussion of the common name of Tilia species HAS to include regional differences. That's why the Latin naming system was introduced. The name lime in the US refers ONLY to the citrus fruit and to no other tree. 8 April 2010
I'm replacing the section on etymology. I have seen no evidence that the exact form 'linden' with the final 'n', existed in Anglo Saxon or Norse, or that it is used anywhere today in Britain, except in borrowings from German or US English. The Anglo Saxon form was linde, which changed to linne in old English, probably under Norse influence (see the Flora Britannica, Concise Oxford Dictionary). The word linden was used, but only as a grammatical derivative, meaning like the lind (cf. ashen, oaken). Imc 12:20, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi Imc - not entirely so; e.g. "the lime is also known, on both sides of the Atlantic, by its older name of linden" (A F Mitchell, Forestry Commission Booklet 20, 1968). I know of linden in UK popular usage as a northern England / Scotland country name; admittedly rare now, but still heard at least occasionally from old folk. Linden is also surprisingly often (more so than lime in e.g. Newcastle upon Tyne and Manchester, to look in two street atlases) used as a street name (Linden Road, Linden Avenue, etc) - MPF 15:51, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Imc 17:50, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Given the not entirely settled problem over common names, I'd suggest the species all be moved to their scientific names to avoid problems and confusion. Tilia platyphyllos has been so moved for starters, I'll do the rest soon unless there are strong objections - MPF 17:02, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
This has absolutely nothing to do with Tilia. bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 17:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
From the text:
The lime tree is the
national emblem of
Slovenia, where it is called lipa.
Added by User:71.65.99.134 :
Not sure if the previous line is an error, but I am certain that the lime tree was the national tree of the former Czechoslovakia and is now the national tree of the Czech Republic. It is called Lipa.
The lime tree is the old legendary tree, I may say a holy tree, of the Slavs. This dates from the pre-christian times in the slavic regions, where the lime tree (Lipa) symbolized peace and general welfare of the times and the oak tree, on the other hand, (the tree dedicated to the thunder-god of war Perun) symbolized the times of war and the fight for the homeland.
Slavic people, being generally a peace loving folk, praised the lime tree and the peace times more than the war-times, making the "Lipa" slightly more popular as a Town-center than the oak.
An old south slavic verse:
"Cvjetokitna lipo, tebe u svoj srdi, Niti Perun žarkom strijelom ne nagrdi!"
"You lime tree rich with flowers, in your holy center,
Not even Perun can bring thunderbolts to enter
The linden is an excellent shade tree but in the spring it will form bracts by the thousands, which fall to the ground (or into anything that is beneath the tree). If a car is parked beneath and a window is left open, you'll find bracts inside the car. They can get into the engine compartment via the grille or windshield wiper channel. Musicwriter 23:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Who can help me with some information? I am looking for a reference, that T. x euchlora is a hybrid of T. dasystyla and T. platyphyllos. Many thanks! Heike
Keeler's book mentions:
( SEWilco 05:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC))
Keeler's book mentions:
( SEWilco 05:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC))
I am not much of an editor so I am hoping someone else can make this change but Freya was not the wife of Thor. Thanks to whomever and my sincere appreciation for all the people that are more proficient at Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.41.1.62 ( talk) 23:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Tolkien might be added here as he certainly would have been aware of the etymology of "linden" and the Germanic associations of the tree and word, particularly dancing under the linden tree. He associates Luthien's dance for Beren with the linden tree, describing it in the poem "Light as Leaf on Linden Tree", a version of which Aragorn recites for the hobbits under Weathertop in "Fellowship of the King". See Tom Shippey, The Road to Middle-Earth, revised and expanded, 2003, p. 257
Cpgray ( talk) 14:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to add the song "Lime Tree" by Trevor Hall. The chorus goes: "Took awhile for you to find me. But I was hiding in the lime tree. Above the city in a rain cloud. Poked a hole and watched it drain out" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100E:B007:65C4:225:FF:FE3D:9DAB ( talk) 04:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Is it elm tree or tilia which is used for traditional Ainu clothing? -- 134.102.3.20 ( talk) 13:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I’d like to know, and see in the article perhaps, how “basswood” is pronounced: bass as in the fish or bass as in the instrument (or vocal/instrumental range). Thanks. — 68.49.50.181 ( talk) 19:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Basswood is the premier wood used by miniaturists, particularly in making furniture or tiny duplicates of wooden artifacts. I didn't add this because I don't think it's important but it might be mentioned in the section on uses. Since the advent of the Inet, the miniature community has grown exponentially and basswood has become very popular. Tredzwater ( talk) 22:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I find it unusual that the article does not mention the distinctive odour. Essentially it is well known that linden trees smell of come. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4p0uw42cdo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.21.186 ( talk) 15:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to make everyone aware who is responsible for editing and managing this page that the picture of autumn foliage in the Ekoparken in Sweden at the bottom of the page is not in fact, a Tilia tree or grove at all. Those splendid colors are the leaves of European Beech, Fagus Sylvatica. Please remove the media for accuracy's sake. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.2.91.92 ( talk) 15:25, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
An article on a botanical subject should look like this. Cupressaceae, Mahogany, Spruce. Lime tree in culture contains the information not related to tree species. WP:Trivia descourage the addition of material not related to article. Read also the Template:In popular culture and WP:Popular culture. Hafspajen ( talk) 21:49, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
"The leaves of all the Tilia species are heart-shaped" - yet the photo beside this statement shows a leaf that has no indentation at its base. This is not what I would call heart-shaped. How about aristate or deltoid? Kdammers ( talk) 22:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello! All my recent additions to Tilia ( /info/en/?search=Tilia) have been deleted under the name of RW. The greatest species of Tilia is found in Asia, but there is no information about Southeast Asia in Tilia entry. How happy I was to be able to make some related shares in Tilia entry these days, but these shares have been deleted. Can you please help me to restore after understanding what I shared? If there is a problem with my English, can you please help to improve it? Best regards, Ping an Chang ( talk) 06:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello! If you think the content needs to be improved, would you like to give me some suggestions? Thank you very much! Best regards, Ping an Chang ( talk) 09:37, 14 January 2023 (UTC)