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There is a redirection from West Tilbury to Tilbury. I believe this is misleading since the Tilbury page is largely about the modern (19th and 20th century) town of Tilbury. The traditional parish and village of West Tilbury is and was quite distinct. I believe there should be a separate entry for West Tilbury, but I don't know how to do this.
Comments?
Rjm at sleepers 09:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I've now created a West Tilbury page. Rjm at sleepers 09:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe the paragraph about the Tilbury tree is a hoax - but it is such a delightful story that I'd like it to be true. Does anyone have a source?
Rjm at sleepers 14:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it's a hoax. Check [1] for quite a bit of additional nonsense (but amusing nonsense!] on the subject. The Thurrock Museum and Thurrock History Society have never heard of it.
I believe this section is not correct - the troops could have crossed to Kent very easily if they needed to. I intend to re-write it and move it to the West Tilbury page.
Comments?
Rjm at sleepers 09:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
WHERE IS TIBURY GRACE BEACH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.119.169 ( talk • contribs) 22:07, August 2, 2007
A para on the above has been added to the section on the docks. Were they anything to do with the docks (as distinct from presumably wearing Docs)? Would probably be more appropriate to move this to a different part of the article (or delete it as unreferenced). Pterre ( talk) 22:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
It certainly has little to do with the docks, so if it is retained, it should probably be in another section. It would be polite to add a fact tag and give some time for a reference. The comments about the band (ARB) seem to be accurate, although once again should probably be in another section. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 07:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I have moved it to a new section and provided a source. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 08:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
-for Tilbury Docks? Every other part of the PLA system - even those long since defunct (see eg Surrey Docks) - have their own article, yet Tilbury has none. It is the only one of those remaining as a working dock, and surely deserves a completely separate from this article on the town itself. There is much more to be said about it than merely one para here: and that para has no reference whatsoever (see these notes for a start. Surely we can do better than a 1946 map, too? Is it not Tilbury Dock not Docks: there is only one dock, isn't there? Peter Shearan ( talk) 10:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Having removed the Port section, I have now rewritten the article to conform with the Wiki suggested pattern. I have removed both the paragraphs on Travellers and Skinheads: the first, according to the reference that was supplied, talks about Thurrock - it does not specify Tilbury: if it does mean that then there should be a better reference. The second is surely now in the past (25 years ago): even if it means that there is a meeting up of participants. Perhaps a short sentence under history if thought to be very important? IMO both the above only show what a terrible place Tilbury is - is that the intention?
Questions:
Peter Shearan ( talk) 12:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
The first para of the history section says, "Tilbury’s history is closely connected with its geographical location (see below). Its counterpart on the south bank of the River Thames, Gravesend, has long had an important part to play insofar as communications are concerned. The principal road in Roman times, the so-called Watling Street passed through that settlement, and the fact of the narrowness of the river at this point meant that a ferry would become an part of those transport links. In addition Gravesend and Northfleet (also on the south shore) both became vitally important to shipping."
Since the earliest significant settlement at what is now Tilbury was at the end of the 19th century, the link to Watling Street appears (to me) to be rather tenuous. Gravesend and Northfleet may well have become "vitally important to shipping", but they don't seem to have any significant influence on Tilury's development. There were a number of cross Thames ferries, in addition to that at Tilbury, including West Tilbury, Grays and Purfleet. They were all locally important, and the Tilbury ferry probably survived longer because of the fort.
I think the current paragraph is misleading and should be deleted. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 07:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Here is a 17th century depiction of the ferry. I don't think you'd fit many sheep in!
Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 08:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
References
I agree that the name for the docks, and the settlement around them, was taken from West & East Tilbury, or perhaps from the rather closer Tilbury Fort. But the article reads as though the settlement was known as Tilbury Town. I don't think it ever was, and I lived in Grays between 1950 & 1965. My Grandfathers built much of the workers apartments (the dwellings) in the 1900s, and I never heard them call the town anything except Tilbury or very occasionally Tilbury Docks. The first homes built when they were councillors were Tilbury Gardens, by analogy with Welwyn Garden city. (Not a convincing analogy, in my opinion).
Tilbury Town was the name of the railway station, named so by the railway company to differentiate it from Tilbury Riverside, the sadly-gone steamer terminal at the ferry crossing point.
I notice that Thurrock council use the name Tilbury Town in their web site | here but I'm not convinced. After all, the name of the first local authority was Tilbury District Council.-- Robert EA Harvey ( talk) 15:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I have uploaded the requested photo - File:River-front-at-Tilbury.jpg. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 09:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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There is a redirection from West Tilbury to Tilbury. I believe this is misleading since the Tilbury page is largely about the modern (19th and 20th century) town of Tilbury. The traditional parish and village of West Tilbury is and was quite distinct. I believe there should be a separate entry for West Tilbury, but I don't know how to do this.
Comments?
Rjm at sleepers 09:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I've now created a West Tilbury page. Rjm at sleepers 09:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe the paragraph about the Tilbury tree is a hoax - but it is such a delightful story that I'd like it to be true. Does anyone have a source?
Rjm at sleepers 14:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it's a hoax. Check [1] for quite a bit of additional nonsense (but amusing nonsense!] on the subject. The Thurrock Museum and Thurrock History Society have never heard of it.
I believe this section is not correct - the troops could have crossed to Kent very easily if they needed to. I intend to re-write it and move it to the West Tilbury page.
Comments?
Rjm at sleepers 09:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
WHERE IS TIBURY GRACE BEACH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.119.169 ( talk • contribs) 22:07, August 2, 2007
A para on the above has been added to the section on the docks. Were they anything to do with the docks (as distinct from presumably wearing Docs)? Would probably be more appropriate to move this to a different part of the article (or delete it as unreferenced). Pterre ( talk) 22:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
It certainly has little to do with the docks, so if it is retained, it should probably be in another section. It would be polite to add a fact tag and give some time for a reference. The comments about the band (ARB) seem to be accurate, although once again should probably be in another section. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 07:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I have moved it to a new section and provided a source. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 08:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
-for Tilbury Docks? Every other part of the PLA system - even those long since defunct (see eg Surrey Docks) - have their own article, yet Tilbury has none. It is the only one of those remaining as a working dock, and surely deserves a completely separate from this article on the town itself. There is much more to be said about it than merely one para here: and that para has no reference whatsoever (see these notes for a start. Surely we can do better than a 1946 map, too? Is it not Tilbury Dock not Docks: there is only one dock, isn't there? Peter Shearan ( talk) 10:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Having removed the Port section, I have now rewritten the article to conform with the Wiki suggested pattern. I have removed both the paragraphs on Travellers and Skinheads: the first, according to the reference that was supplied, talks about Thurrock - it does not specify Tilbury: if it does mean that then there should be a better reference. The second is surely now in the past (25 years ago): even if it means that there is a meeting up of participants. Perhaps a short sentence under history if thought to be very important? IMO both the above only show what a terrible place Tilbury is - is that the intention?
Questions:
Peter Shearan ( talk) 12:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
The first para of the history section says, "Tilbury’s history is closely connected with its geographical location (see below). Its counterpart on the south bank of the River Thames, Gravesend, has long had an important part to play insofar as communications are concerned. The principal road in Roman times, the so-called Watling Street passed through that settlement, and the fact of the narrowness of the river at this point meant that a ferry would become an part of those transport links. In addition Gravesend and Northfleet (also on the south shore) both became vitally important to shipping."
Since the earliest significant settlement at what is now Tilbury was at the end of the 19th century, the link to Watling Street appears (to me) to be rather tenuous. Gravesend and Northfleet may well have become "vitally important to shipping", but they don't seem to have any significant influence on Tilury's development. There were a number of cross Thames ferries, in addition to that at Tilbury, including West Tilbury, Grays and Purfleet. They were all locally important, and the Tilbury ferry probably survived longer because of the fort.
I think the current paragraph is misleading and should be deleted. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 07:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Here is a 17th century depiction of the ferry. I don't think you'd fit many sheep in!
Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 08:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
References
I agree that the name for the docks, and the settlement around them, was taken from West & East Tilbury, or perhaps from the rather closer Tilbury Fort. But the article reads as though the settlement was known as Tilbury Town. I don't think it ever was, and I lived in Grays between 1950 & 1965. My Grandfathers built much of the workers apartments (the dwellings) in the 1900s, and I never heard them call the town anything except Tilbury or very occasionally Tilbury Docks. The first homes built when they were councillors were Tilbury Gardens, by analogy with Welwyn Garden city. (Not a convincing analogy, in my opinion).
Tilbury Town was the name of the railway station, named so by the railway company to differentiate it from Tilbury Riverside, the sadly-gone steamer terminal at the ferry crossing point.
I notice that Thurrock council use the name Tilbury Town in their web site | here but I'm not convinced. After all, the name of the first local authority was Tilbury District Council.-- Robert EA Harvey ( talk) 15:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I have uploaded the requested photo - File:River-front-at-Tilbury.jpg. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 09:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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