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The linked page on Aloha Hawaii.com is very poor quality - muddled information, but better than nothing??? Kahuroa 03:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason why this Tiki should be about the carvings and not the "first man" usage? Is it that much more prevalent? And what's your objection to having a mention to both in one article? - DavidWBrooks 22:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
This article has gotten considerably shorter since January. Is the information that has been removed incorrect? -- Beland 03:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that it is correct to say that tiki is incorrect for hei-tiki. The latter means hanging tiki as in a tiki that you can hang around your neck. The Māori speakers I know use both tiki and hei-tiki. Also, the Māori speakers I know would say that the man in Whakarewarewa was carving a poupou or carved post. I have never heard anyone refer to that as a tiki. Is this regional usage? 118.90.21.76 ( talk) 08:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I got a bit bold and changed the WPNZ importance to low - hard to see why it had been given a high importance rating Kahuroa ( talk) 19:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't know where you get your facts, but according to Dictionary.com Tiki is:
"Tiki Mythology 1) A male figure in Polynesian myth, sometimes identified as the first man.
2) A wooden or stone image of a Polynesian god.
3) A Maori figurine representing an ancestor, often intricately carved from greenstone and worn about the neck as a talisman."
Given the influence on art and architectural design, yes, I would say it's a very important topic." ChildofMidnight ( talk) 23:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does it say "It has been suggested that Tiki culture be merged into this article or section?" Who suggested this and why? Seems like a bad idea to me. Rees11 ( talk) 00:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I would be in favor of merging Tiki (mythology) here. But Tiki culture seems to have little to do with Tiki other than the obvious influence. The connection is "loose and stylistic" to quote the article. Rees11 ( talk) 18:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Of course there's a connection, that doesn't mean they should be merged. See, for example, Polka and Polka in the United States of America, which are far more closely related than Tiki and Tiki culture. Rees11 ( talk) 14:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks to everyone for their input. I will remove the merge tags from tiki culture and we'll proceed with the merge for the mythology article as soon as I get a chance or if someone gets there first have at it. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 05:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Now, having talked you out of merging Tiki culture, maybe we do need to mention Tiki culture at the end with a link and a sentence or two rather than the just the "See also" link. Rees11 ( talk) 15:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I wanted to know more about the actual wooden Tiki statutes. The disam page directs to this page, saying this Tiki page "refers to large wood and stone carvings of humanoid forms in Central Eastern Polynesian cultures of the Pacific Ocean." Nothing about the first man or mythology. I come here, and the lede ends with: "In the Māori language, the word 'tiki' was the name given to large wooden carvings in roughly human shape, although this is a somewhat archaic usage. The carvings often serve to mark the boundaries of sacred or significant sites."
Then, in the body of the article, the whole thing is about the mythology of the first man in various parts of the Pacific, and never gets into the figures other than a minor dispute between authorities over where the stone heads started. What were the purposes of the wood-carved men? What woods were they made of? How were they made? How did their meaning/usage vary between the mentioned cultures?
It feels like somebody just took out half (or more) of the article then left the lede and the disam page unchanged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.122.239 ( talk) 02:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I have seen an article that claims the tiki - in its form as heitiki or good luck charm - came from South America. It is probable that Marquesan voyagers got to Chile and brought back the kumara and gave them the chicken. If they also brought back the tiki concept it might explain why Tiki is not mentioned in Rapanui or the western pacific as this voyage to Chile took place after the Society islander peoples left the western pacific and after voyagers went further to Rapanui. It would also give a timing to the Chilean visit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.56.227 ( talk) 21:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
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The linked page on Aloha Hawaii.com is very poor quality - muddled information, but better than nothing??? Kahuroa 03:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there any reason why this Tiki should be about the carvings and not the "first man" usage? Is it that much more prevalent? And what's your objection to having a mention to both in one article? - DavidWBrooks 22:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
This article has gotten considerably shorter since January. Is the information that has been removed incorrect? -- Beland 03:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that it is correct to say that tiki is incorrect for hei-tiki. The latter means hanging tiki as in a tiki that you can hang around your neck. The Māori speakers I know use both tiki and hei-tiki. Also, the Māori speakers I know would say that the man in Whakarewarewa was carving a poupou or carved post. I have never heard anyone refer to that as a tiki. Is this regional usage? 118.90.21.76 ( talk) 08:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I got a bit bold and changed the WPNZ importance to low - hard to see why it had been given a high importance rating Kahuroa ( talk) 19:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't know where you get your facts, but according to Dictionary.com Tiki is:
"Tiki Mythology 1) A male figure in Polynesian myth, sometimes identified as the first man.
2) A wooden or stone image of a Polynesian god.
3) A Maori figurine representing an ancestor, often intricately carved from greenstone and worn about the neck as a talisman."
Given the influence on art and architectural design, yes, I would say it's a very important topic." ChildofMidnight ( talk) 23:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does it say "It has been suggested that Tiki culture be merged into this article or section?" Who suggested this and why? Seems like a bad idea to me. Rees11 ( talk) 00:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I would be in favor of merging Tiki (mythology) here. But Tiki culture seems to have little to do with Tiki other than the obvious influence. The connection is "loose and stylistic" to quote the article. Rees11 ( talk) 18:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Of course there's a connection, that doesn't mean they should be merged. See, for example, Polka and Polka in the United States of America, which are far more closely related than Tiki and Tiki culture. Rees11 ( talk) 14:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks to everyone for their input. I will remove the merge tags from tiki culture and we'll proceed with the merge for the mythology article as soon as I get a chance or if someone gets there first have at it. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 05:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Now, having talked you out of merging Tiki culture, maybe we do need to mention Tiki culture at the end with a link and a sentence or two rather than the just the "See also" link. Rees11 ( talk) 15:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I wanted to know more about the actual wooden Tiki statutes. The disam page directs to this page, saying this Tiki page "refers to large wood and stone carvings of humanoid forms in Central Eastern Polynesian cultures of the Pacific Ocean." Nothing about the first man or mythology. I come here, and the lede ends with: "In the Māori language, the word 'tiki' was the name given to large wooden carvings in roughly human shape, although this is a somewhat archaic usage. The carvings often serve to mark the boundaries of sacred or significant sites."
Then, in the body of the article, the whole thing is about the mythology of the first man in various parts of the Pacific, and never gets into the figures other than a minor dispute between authorities over where the stone heads started. What were the purposes of the wood-carved men? What woods were they made of? How were they made? How did their meaning/usage vary between the mentioned cultures?
It feels like somebody just took out half (or more) of the article then left the lede and the disam page unchanged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.122.239 ( talk) 02:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I have seen an article that claims the tiki - in its form as heitiki or good luck charm - came from South America. It is probable that Marquesan voyagers got to Chile and brought back the kumara and gave them the chicken. If they also brought back the tiki concept it might explain why Tiki is not mentioned in Rapanui or the western pacific as this voyage to Chile took place after the Society islander peoples left the western pacific and after voyagers went further to Rapanui. It would also give a timing to the Chilean visit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.56.227 ( talk) 21:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)