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A couple of points:
Beyond the 1991 First Constitution for the new Province of Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur, there aren't an administrative level called "district".
There is the Provincial State, and then the "Municipalidades" (Ushuaia and Rio Grande) and "Comunas" (like a little town, Tolhuin). Municipios and Comunas are the second and last state level. I have not found a "district" division.
No more capitals are needed except Ushuaia (that rules, in theory, Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and the groups of islands.) I don´t know if this organisation have been modified.I think all these explanation could be written with more diplomacy and accuracy. But it´s no easy.- At least, I think it´s better now.--
Hello everyone. I'm not a regular wikipedian so I'm not registered but please take this suggestion into consideration anyway. I believe the map you're showing is incomplete because the entire Province also includes the Malvinas/Falklands Islands, the South Atlantic Islands and the Antartic territories. I know these are disputed territories but they should be shown because that's how the province is officialy formed. In the map there should be a note stating the disputed state.
I agree with the above comment. Even the name of the province indicates that the South Atlantic islands including Malvinas are part of this province. Why is this not shown on the map?--
Xania
talk
14:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes. The shown map is incomplete. Province also includes the Malvinas/Falklands Islands, the South Atlantic Islands and the Antartic territories. Then, I will change it. Monxus —Preceding undated comment added 22:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC).
I can correct this by adding a map showing the Maldivas/Falklands in a lighter shade of green, to show that it's disputed, and to keep neutrality. ReiPeixe ( talk) 19:02, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I hope someone might help me with this, but, I was reading this, and i wonder, can anyone live on argentine antartica? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.52.131 ( talk) 22:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
While this isn't intended as a discussion forum on the subject, if you're still interested, people do live in that part of Antarctica claimed by Argentina - there are many research bases on the Antarctic Peninsula and the islands around it, from many countries. Nonetheless, the people living there are pretty much all scientists and the area has no permanent population in any practical sense of the term. Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Anyone better at templates than me able to get sort out the awkward malformed links below the flag and COA? They come from the fact that there are line breaks in the name of the province in English above - but if the line breaks are simply removed, the infobox becomes unmanageably wide because the name of the province is so long. Is it possible to set the width of the box and allow the names to wrap or something? Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC) - The following section was originally part of this one so I have just added this sig to identify me Pfainuk talk 10:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
On a separate point, I think the article name ought to be changed since the version we're using at the moment doesn't seem to be the most common.
Excluding Wikipedia mirrors (with a "-wiki -wikipedia"), my google search for "Tierra del Fuego Antarctica and South Atlantic Islands" Province - which includes versions with commas - gives 439 hits of which all but 38 are considered "very similar" to the original 38. "Tierra del Fuego Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur" Province gives 341, including Encarta mapping. "Tierra del Fuego" Province gives 554000. Add the word "Argentina" to the end and you still get 338000 hits.
Encyclopedia Britannica uses simply "Tierra del Fuego" and so far as I can see, Encarta uses both the short version and the Spanish version, but not the English translation of the Spanish version.
Obviously the third search is limited in that the Chileans also have a province called Tierra del Fuego, and it includes the hits from the other two searched. Nonetheless I think the difference is large enough to suggest this article is currently not named in accordance with WP:NCGN. Obviously the official name should be noted prominently in the lead of the article and at the top of the infobox, as is done with other areas such as Mexico, Bavaria and Germany, but I don't think the full name is the most common name used in English. Non-English results should be filtered out because province is not a Spanish word, and neither French- or Italian-speakers use the term "Tierra del Fuego".
Based on this, I would suggest we move this article to "Tierra del Fuego Province, Argentina" or "Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina)". I would then rewrite the lead to, say,
Tierra del Fuego (officially: Provincia de Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur) is a province...
If the infobox can be sorted, we can probably fit in the full English name as well without spilling on to an extra line, though I don't see it's necessary since it's already in the infobox. Any thoughts? Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR ( talk) 17:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica, and South Atlantic Islands Province → Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina) — per the above section, I believe the widely used English-language name for the province is "Tierra del Fuego" and my proposed name follows the pattern of Argentine provinces whose names are also used for other countries' provinces (in this case Chile). — Pfainuk talk 10:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I deleted the target and made the page move. I'll fix the double redirects in a second; but I'll leave it to you folks to decide which, if any, of the other links to the old page need to be changed. -- barneca ( talk) 17:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina) →
Tierra del Fuego Province, Argentina — Per
WP:NCDAB. When we disambiguate geographic places by their higher administrative division, we use "province, country", not "province (country)" --
MBelgrano (
talk)
02:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Technical close, discussion moved to Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina)#Requested move Mike Cline ( talk) 16:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina) →
Tierra del Fuego Province, Argentina – The article was recently speedily renamed, despite the previous move requests. But, according to
Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Naming the specific topic articles and
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Disambiguation, the DAB in the title is used with a comma, not parentheses. There is no such convention of using parentheses for administrative divisions and commas for cities as mentioned in the move summary, in fact the second page is explicit that the comma is used for "the names of cities, towns, villages and other settlements, as well as administrative divisions", leaving the parentheses for natural features.
Cambalachero (
talk)
13:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Comment: Really a multiple move request, see Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina)#Requested move. Andrewa ( talk) 07:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 13:01, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the map added from es.wikipedia as it is clearly been designed with a nationalist POV in mind. The article already includes a map that addresses the issue of territory claimed by Argentina as part of this province. However, the map as originally shown only includes the territory that has international recognition as being part of Argentina. Hence, I've restored it.
Please do not transfer nationalist conflicts from es.wikipedia to the English wikipedia. W C M email 19:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Is the Cyrillic on the infobox vandalism or not? Sion8 ( talk) 01:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
I added links to the Geographical Archipelago of Tierra del Fuego, and Isla Grande de Tierra del Fuego. Strangely, the one to the Archipelago does not work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRomanEmperor ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
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This article needs work, but clearly relates to a different entity to the "departments of the Province of Tierra del Fuego" to which it was redirected. To delete the text as has been done would require a deletion discussion, a deletion, rather than merger, is effectively what has been done. The sources on the article need improving, but there is little doubt this can be done quite easily. Boynamedsue ( talk) 10:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Frankly the article on Islas del Atlantico Sur has been transliterated to some languages AridCeption ( talk) 01:18, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
If I understood it correctly, we talk about the page of a political district that only exists on paper and in some people's imagination, as it does not have any actual territory or population under its control. Yes, merging and redirecting it into the article of the higher political district this place would belong to (the province) is the correct thing to do. Cambalachero ( talk) 23:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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A couple of points:
Beyond the 1991 First Constitution for the new Province of Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur, there aren't an administrative level called "district".
There is the Provincial State, and then the "Municipalidades" (Ushuaia and Rio Grande) and "Comunas" (like a little town, Tolhuin). Municipios and Comunas are the second and last state level. I have not found a "district" division.
No more capitals are needed except Ushuaia (that rules, in theory, Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and the groups of islands.) I don´t know if this organisation have been modified.I think all these explanation could be written with more diplomacy and accuracy. But it´s no easy.- At least, I think it´s better now.--
Hello everyone. I'm not a regular wikipedian so I'm not registered but please take this suggestion into consideration anyway. I believe the map you're showing is incomplete because the entire Province also includes the Malvinas/Falklands Islands, the South Atlantic Islands and the Antartic territories. I know these are disputed territories but they should be shown because that's how the province is officialy formed. In the map there should be a note stating the disputed state.
I agree with the above comment. Even the name of the province indicates that the South Atlantic islands including Malvinas are part of this province. Why is this not shown on the map?--
Xania
talk
14:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes. The shown map is incomplete. Province also includes the Malvinas/Falklands Islands, the South Atlantic Islands and the Antartic territories. Then, I will change it. Monxus —Preceding undated comment added 22:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC).
I can correct this by adding a map showing the Maldivas/Falklands in a lighter shade of green, to show that it's disputed, and to keep neutrality. ReiPeixe ( talk) 19:02, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I hope someone might help me with this, but, I was reading this, and i wonder, can anyone live on argentine antartica? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.52.131 ( talk) 22:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
While this isn't intended as a discussion forum on the subject, if you're still interested, people do live in that part of Antarctica claimed by Argentina - there are many research bases on the Antarctic Peninsula and the islands around it, from many countries. Nonetheless, the people living there are pretty much all scientists and the area has no permanent population in any practical sense of the term. Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Anyone better at templates than me able to get sort out the awkward malformed links below the flag and COA? They come from the fact that there are line breaks in the name of the province in English above - but if the line breaks are simply removed, the infobox becomes unmanageably wide because the name of the province is so long. Is it possible to set the width of the box and allow the names to wrap or something? Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC) - The following section was originally part of this one so I have just added this sig to identify me Pfainuk talk 10:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
On a separate point, I think the article name ought to be changed since the version we're using at the moment doesn't seem to be the most common.
Excluding Wikipedia mirrors (with a "-wiki -wikipedia"), my google search for "Tierra del Fuego Antarctica and South Atlantic Islands" Province - which includes versions with commas - gives 439 hits of which all but 38 are considered "very similar" to the original 38. "Tierra del Fuego Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur" Province gives 341, including Encarta mapping. "Tierra del Fuego" Province gives 554000. Add the word "Argentina" to the end and you still get 338000 hits.
Encyclopedia Britannica uses simply "Tierra del Fuego" and so far as I can see, Encarta uses both the short version and the Spanish version, but not the English translation of the Spanish version.
Obviously the third search is limited in that the Chileans also have a province called Tierra del Fuego, and it includes the hits from the other two searched. Nonetheless I think the difference is large enough to suggest this article is currently not named in accordance with WP:NCGN. Obviously the official name should be noted prominently in the lead of the article and at the top of the infobox, as is done with other areas such as Mexico, Bavaria and Germany, but I don't think the full name is the most common name used in English. Non-English results should be filtered out because province is not a Spanish word, and neither French- or Italian-speakers use the term "Tierra del Fuego".
Based on this, I would suggest we move this article to "Tierra del Fuego Province, Argentina" or "Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina)". I would then rewrite the lead to, say,
Tierra del Fuego (officially: Provincia de Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur) is a province...
If the infobox can be sorted, we can probably fit in the full English name as well without spilling on to an extra line, though I don't see it's necessary since it's already in the infobox. Any thoughts? Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR ( talk) 17:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica, and South Atlantic Islands Province → Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina) — per the above section, I believe the widely used English-language name for the province is "Tierra del Fuego" and my proposed name follows the pattern of Argentine provinces whose names are also used for other countries' provinces (in this case Chile). — Pfainuk talk 10:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I deleted the target and made the page move. I'll fix the double redirects in a second; but I'll leave it to you folks to decide which, if any, of the other links to the old page need to be changed. -- barneca ( talk) 17:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina) →
Tierra del Fuego Province, Argentina — Per
WP:NCDAB. When we disambiguate geographic places by their higher administrative division, we use "province, country", not "province (country)" --
MBelgrano (
talk)
02:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Technical close, discussion moved to Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina)#Requested move Mike Cline ( talk) 16:48, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina) →
Tierra del Fuego Province, Argentina – The article was recently speedily renamed, despite the previous move requests. But, according to
Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Naming the specific topic articles and
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Disambiguation, the DAB in the title is used with a comma, not parentheses. There is no such convention of using parentheses for administrative divisions and commas for cities as mentioned in the move summary, in fact the second page is explicit that the comma is used for "the names of cities, towns, villages and other settlements, as well as administrative divisions", leaving the parentheses for natural features.
Cambalachero (
talk)
13:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Comment: Really a multiple move request, see Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina)#Requested move. Andrewa ( talk) 07:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Córdoba Province (Argentina) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 13:01, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the map added from es.wikipedia as it is clearly been designed with a nationalist POV in mind. The article already includes a map that addresses the issue of territory claimed by Argentina as part of this province. However, the map as originally shown only includes the territory that has international recognition as being part of Argentina. Hence, I've restored it.
Please do not transfer nationalist conflicts from es.wikipedia to the English wikipedia. W C M email 19:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Is the Cyrillic on the infobox vandalism or not? Sion8 ( talk) 01:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
I added links to the Geographical Archipelago of Tierra del Fuego, and Isla Grande de Tierra del Fuego. Strangely, the one to the Archipelago does not work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRomanEmperor ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
![]() | This discussion started at Talk:Islas del Atlántico Sur Department. The page Islas del Atlántico Sur Department is now a redirect to this article. For the state of that article before being turned into a redirect, see here |
This article needs work, but clearly relates to a different entity to the "departments of the Province of Tierra del Fuego" to which it was redirected. To delete the text as has been done would require a deletion discussion, a deletion, rather than merger, is effectively what has been done. The sources on the article need improving, but there is little doubt this can be done quite easily. Boynamedsue ( talk) 10:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Frankly the article on Islas del Atlantico Sur has been transliterated to some languages AridCeption ( talk) 01:18, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
If I understood it correctly, we talk about the page of a political district that only exists on paper and in some people's imagination, as it does not have any actual territory or population under its control. Yes, merging and redirecting it into the article of the higher political district this place would belong to (the province) is the correct thing to do. Cambalachero ( talk) 23:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)