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Could I ask relevant contributor for your source for the dob dod? Where did you get the dates from? Smith has birth at 210bc and date of death unknown. All modern scholars who mention him (Astin etc) assert dod unknown and tend toward 2010 for dob. University library sources dod unknown. Is there a source not mentioned? Brcbkh ( talk) 06:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)brcbkh Brcbkh ( talk) 06:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
How is the name "Gracchus" normally pronounced in English, please? ("Cicero" and "Caesar" are not normally pronounced in the Roman way by English-speakers - is that true of "Grachhus" or should the classical pronunciation be imitated? Presumably the classical pronunciation would approximate to grak-kooss if written in the English way?).
It is pronounced pretty much as it looks in English, well at least that is the most common usage (G-ra-cus). Latin pronunciation is not an exact science, we are not sure exactly how they said everything (for example it is very often accepted that a 'V' in latin is prounced as a 'W' in english, but this is still being debated). For example in English we say Caesar as (Ci-sar) and his full name Gaius Julius Caesar as (G-I-us Ju-li-us Ci-sar) where as in Latin many accept it would be Caius Iulius Caesar (G-I-us U-li-us Ki-sar) (Latin always uses hard Cs and there was no 'J' it was an 'I'). But when dealing with Ancient history, for ease, we tend to pronounce it as though it were English. 7:48 3 March 2008 Imperator101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperator101 ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, MedRobo, I saw you made a number of changes which I reverted. I think some explanation is needed.
Contra an addition, this Gracchus is not the Gracchus who did land reform. The land reform Gracchus was the plebeian tribune of 133 BC. There is no evidence that this Gracchus did any sort of land reform during his plebeian tribunate in the early 2nd century. Your version of the article also mishandles the Antiochene war, in which Scipio Asiagenes was consul, held the auspices, and was legal commander. The more famous Africanus was merely a legate. The following "trial of the Scipios" – which did occur during this Gracchus' tribunate – was directed against Asiagenes for alleged corruption.
Format of years is 123 BC
, per
MOS:ERA, which states: It is advisable to use a non-breaking space
. It is generally accepted across the
WikiProject that we also name Romans in article text by their tria nomina without suffixes like consul 173
. The titles use the parenthetical only for disambiguation. See
WP:ROMANS.
The CS1 citation templates have parameters for separate names, eg |last1=
etc. Please don't change them to use |author=
alone. Nor should ISBNs be changed to be formatted without dashes. There was a recent discussion on this:
Wikipedia talk:ISBN#Hyphens in ISBNs. Please also refrain from deleting ancillary citations to the primary sources. They are nice to have (though they should not be used alone).
It is also normal to retain the existing English variety, per
WP:ENGVAR. I write in British English and the entire article is in British English. Please don't go through changing every neighbour
to neighbor
. Naturally, per another editor, please don't delete the entire bibiliography.
Ifly6 (
talk)
03:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Could I ask relevant contributor for your source for the dob dod? Where did you get the dates from? Smith has birth at 210bc and date of death unknown. All modern scholars who mention him (Astin etc) assert dod unknown and tend toward 2010 for dob. University library sources dod unknown. Is there a source not mentioned? Brcbkh ( talk) 06:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)brcbkh Brcbkh ( talk) 06:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
How is the name "Gracchus" normally pronounced in English, please? ("Cicero" and "Caesar" are not normally pronounced in the Roman way by English-speakers - is that true of "Grachhus" or should the classical pronunciation be imitated? Presumably the classical pronunciation would approximate to grak-kooss if written in the English way?).
It is pronounced pretty much as it looks in English, well at least that is the most common usage (G-ra-cus). Latin pronunciation is not an exact science, we are not sure exactly how they said everything (for example it is very often accepted that a 'V' in latin is prounced as a 'W' in english, but this is still being debated). For example in English we say Caesar as (Ci-sar) and his full name Gaius Julius Caesar as (G-I-us Ju-li-us Ci-sar) where as in Latin many accept it would be Caius Iulius Caesar (G-I-us U-li-us Ki-sar) (Latin always uses hard Cs and there was no 'J' it was an 'I'). But when dealing with Ancient history, for ease, we tend to pronounce it as though it were English. 7:48 3 March 2008 Imperator101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperator101 ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 19:52, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, MedRobo, I saw you made a number of changes which I reverted. I think some explanation is needed.
Contra an addition, this Gracchus is not the Gracchus who did land reform. The land reform Gracchus was the plebeian tribune of 133 BC. There is no evidence that this Gracchus did any sort of land reform during his plebeian tribunate in the early 2nd century. Your version of the article also mishandles the Antiochene war, in which Scipio Asiagenes was consul, held the auspices, and was legal commander. The more famous Africanus was merely a legate. The following "trial of the Scipios" – which did occur during this Gracchus' tribunate – was directed against Asiagenes for alleged corruption.
Format of years is 123 BC
, per
MOS:ERA, which states: It is advisable to use a non-breaking space
. It is generally accepted across the
WikiProject that we also name Romans in article text by their tria nomina without suffixes like consul 173
. The titles use the parenthetical only for disambiguation. See
WP:ROMANS.
The CS1 citation templates have parameters for separate names, eg |last1=
etc. Please don't change them to use |author=
alone. Nor should ISBNs be changed to be formatted without dashes. There was a recent discussion on this:
Wikipedia talk:ISBN#Hyphens in ISBNs. Please also refrain from deleting ancillary citations to the primary sources. They are nice to have (though they should not be used alone).
It is also normal to retain the existing English variety, per
WP:ENGVAR. I write in British English and the entire article is in British English. Please don't go through changing every neighbour
to neighbor
. Naturally, per another editor, please don't delete the entire bibiliography.
Ifly6 (
talk)
03:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)