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History and current events never were my best subjects, but this surprised me:
Is that true? Hmm, I felt compelled to do research, and found this. Huh.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor ( talk • contribs) 09:07, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Can someone find a citation for Thule being identified with Greenland? I do not believe this suggested identification was made until the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. And, besides, the ancient Greeks were unaware of Greenland (and probably Iceland, too).
No -- Iceland is Thule. 85.220.100.204 ( talk) 00:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
No -- Estonia is Thule. Sorent ( talk) 02:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
No -- Icelans IS Thule. 85.220.104.184 ( talk) 03:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
No-- Read the article on Pytheas of Massilia. It explains there why Greenland is unlikely to have been Thule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor ( talk • contribs) 09:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
While it's obvious which meaning it refers to, could someone make the link from foreign relations of Greenland make sense? (to summarize: why is Thule a sensitive area in Greenland's foreign relations?) Tuf-Kat
Ultima Thule was the title of one of Sir Richard Burton's books.
According to a theory first proposed by Lennart Meri, it is possible that Saaremaa was the legendary Ultima Thule, first mentioned by ancient Greek geographer Pytheas, whereas the name "Thule" could have been connected to the Estonian language word tule ("(of) fire") and the old folk poetry of Estonia, which depicts the birth of the crater lake in Kaali, Saaremaa. Cheers, -- 3 Löwi 20:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
How come this is under category "Nazism"? Just wondering.
The text on the page is described as a poem, and appears in The Oxford Book of Short Poems (see reference on main page). It's also familiar to me as a madrigal by Thomas Weelkes; madrigal texts frequently appear in collection of poetry, and the inclusion of the text from the Andalucian Merchant (the second part of Weelkes' two-part madrigal) makes me suspect that the madrigal, rather than a piece of poetry without accompanying music, is the source for the text that appears in the book. If anyone has a copy of The Oxford Book of Short Poems, could they please check attribution? The date I found for the madrigal and the dates posited for the poem coincide, and it would be interesting to see which came first! Squeezeweasel 12:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I've been to the library, and the Grove Dictionary of Music attributes the words as well as the music to Weelkes, and narrows the date down to 1600. I've made the relevant changes. Please note I've changed the section heading as well - 1600 is a bit late for the heading 'Middle Ages'. (I'm updating the Weelkes page as well.) Squeezeweasel 15:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
If 'thule' was considered a name for Iceland, I wonder if it were called "thule" do to its form of goverment being an assembly, or 'thing' run by speakers, or "thulr" aka thyle. I've always wondered about a connection between these two words. Nagelfar 12:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Must be a concidence. The Icelandic "althing" was formed in 930 C.E.---over a thousand years after Pytheas's use of the word "Thule." The Norse and Icelandic word "thyle" (wiseman or sage or speaker, whence "thing" and "althing"), is not recorded earlier than about this same time.
FYI, you can add a link to Portal:Norway in this article, by placing {{Portal|Norway}} at the top of the see also section (or the external links section if the article has no see also section). This will display
Cirt ( talk) 09:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It is easy to read the lead as though it is discussing 'where is Thule', rather than what locations (plural) may have been meant by the use of the word by different authors and at different times. Doug Weller ( talk) 13:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The note should be there, no doubt. It does save space. But, it attempts too much. None of these people are actually cited. One answer is to put the refs in a bibliography section. This means they all have to be looked up and cited. There's no easy path to excellence. I can do one once in a while. If you feel inclined to help, please do. Dave ( talk) 10:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I recently moved the above discussion from Talk:Thule (disambiguation). I feel the reasons are obvious as to why it better belongs here, but if there is some concrete reason to object, please discuss it here. Regards, ClovisPt ( talk) 17:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
The statement at the beginning of Ancient Geography that "[Pytheas] has led many people into error by saying that he traversed the whole of Britain on foot, giving the island a circumference of forty thousand stades" seems to be there without explanation. Presumably it's there to illustrate Polybius' lack of trustworthiness on his statements about Thule but without knowing how long a stadia is or what the circumference of Britain is in stadia it has no impact.
I worked out that Britain has a "circumference" of about 80,000 stadia. This comes from a 12,500km coastline and 157m per stadia. Given that using the length of Britain's coastline as an approximation of circumference would tend to exaggerate our calculation and that Pytheas was measuring the length by foot, being off by a factor of two really doesn't seem that bad.
-- Schwern ( talk) 01:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I have corrected the founding date which was incorrectly put as 1919. This may be the date on their emblem but all sources put the actual date as August 18th 1918. I provided one reference but can add many more if the change is in dispute. Mrfh ( talk) 04:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with wikipedia classing this article as mid-ranking importance. The quality of thee article may not allow it to have high importance, yet the subject is vital- Thule was the first name in recorded history given to Scandanavia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor ( talk • contribs) 09:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The Latin quote on the five days' voyage from the Orkneys somehow misses the word "five". Have only cursory acquaintance with Latin, though... 217.144.100.18 ( talk) 05:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
''Problem Posting Material''Bold text The system accepted a small portion of my material. Then it set the rest, with the remainder of the section, in a massive elongated block extending far off screen to the right and which thus cannot be read either in preview or when posted. What is the reason for this block? Geoffreybrooks ( talk) 16:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
This article includes the following passage:
According to its emblem, the Thule Society was founded on August 18, 1918. It had close links to the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (DAP), later the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ( NSDAP, the Nazi party). One of its three founding members was Lanz von Liebenfels (1874–1954).
However, the assertion that Lanz von Liebenfels was one of the founders of the Thule Society is not supported by anything in Wikipedia's Lanz von Liebenfels article or Thule Society article. Unless someone has a reliable source on this, I will remove this claim from the Thule article, along with the latter part of the paragraph it's in, since the latter part of this paragraph is irrelevant if this initial claim is false. — Lawrence King ( talk) 03:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Tell me how
In English it is pronounced /ˈθjuː.liː/ or /ˈθuː.liː/. -- 2.218.112.149 ( talk) 23:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
So I understand the logic by which most of the items in the "see also" section were picked, but how is "Magerøya" at all relevant? It's a real place, unlike the rest which are mythical/uncertain, and there doesn't seem to be any connection between them in either article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.65.146.100 ( talk) 21:40, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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A friend and myself study old maps and we came across the map with Tile on it. Which led us to search for it. If it was indeed a real place, we are 99% positive we have found it! I wish I could place screen shots here. Ricki Sinn ( talk) 02:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
The "Tile" map that is used for the article has but nothing to do with the Orkneys. I once made it from a bigger map, and it shows Bornholm... The context comes clear if you compare the island shape to Bornholm and analyze the surrounding "monsters" semiotically.
Well wishes, Alienne Laval, Magistra PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.109.130 ( talk) 15:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Thule is between the Orkneys and the Faroe Islands on the Carta Marina; -- 2A01:CB08:890E:C600:6C02:55B7:CD83:2A0 ( talk) 22:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
History and current events never were my best subjects, but this surprised me:
Is that true? Hmm, I felt compelled to do research, and found this. Huh.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor ( talk • contribs) 09:07, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Can someone find a citation for Thule being identified with Greenland? I do not believe this suggested identification was made until the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. And, besides, the ancient Greeks were unaware of Greenland (and probably Iceland, too).
No -- Iceland is Thule. 85.220.100.204 ( talk) 00:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
No -- Estonia is Thule. Sorent ( talk) 02:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
No -- Icelans IS Thule. 85.220.104.184 ( talk) 03:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
No-- Read the article on Pytheas of Massilia. It explains there why Greenland is unlikely to have been Thule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor ( talk • contribs) 09:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
While it's obvious which meaning it refers to, could someone make the link from foreign relations of Greenland make sense? (to summarize: why is Thule a sensitive area in Greenland's foreign relations?) Tuf-Kat
Ultima Thule was the title of one of Sir Richard Burton's books.
According to a theory first proposed by Lennart Meri, it is possible that Saaremaa was the legendary Ultima Thule, first mentioned by ancient Greek geographer Pytheas, whereas the name "Thule" could have been connected to the Estonian language word tule ("(of) fire") and the old folk poetry of Estonia, which depicts the birth of the crater lake in Kaali, Saaremaa. Cheers, -- 3 Löwi 20:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
How come this is under category "Nazism"? Just wondering.
The text on the page is described as a poem, and appears in The Oxford Book of Short Poems (see reference on main page). It's also familiar to me as a madrigal by Thomas Weelkes; madrigal texts frequently appear in collection of poetry, and the inclusion of the text from the Andalucian Merchant (the second part of Weelkes' two-part madrigal) makes me suspect that the madrigal, rather than a piece of poetry without accompanying music, is the source for the text that appears in the book. If anyone has a copy of The Oxford Book of Short Poems, could they please check attribution? The date I found for the madrigal and the dates posited for the poem coincide, and it would be interesting to see which came first! Squeezeweasel 12:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I've been to the library, and the Grove Dictionary of Music attributes the words as well as the music to Weelkes, and narrows the date down to 1600. I've made the relevant changes. Please note I've changed the section heading as well - 1600 is a bit late for the heading 'Middle Ages'. (I'm updating the Weelkes page as well.) Squeezeweasel 15:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
If 'thule' was considered a name for Iceland, I wonder if it were called "thule" do to its form of goverment being an assembly, or 'thing' run by speakers, or "thulr" aka thyle. I've always wondered about a connection between these two words. Nagelfar 12:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Must be a concidence. The Icelandic "althing" was formed in 930 C.E.---over a thousand years after Pytheas's use of the word "Thule." The Norse and Icelandic word "thyle" (wiseman or sage or speaker, whence "thing" and "althing"), is not recorded earlier than about this same time.
FYI, you can add a link to Portal:Norway in this article, by placing {{Portal|Norway}} at the top of the see also section (or the external links section if the article has no see also section). This will display
Cirt ( talk) 09:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It is easy to read the lead as though it is discussing 'where is Thule', rather than what locations (plural) may have been meant by the use of the word by different authors and at different times. Doug Weller ( talk) 13:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The note should be there, no doubt. It does save space. But, it attempts too much. None of these people are actually cited. One answer is to put the refs in a bibliography section. This means they all have to be looked up and cited. There's no easy path to excellence. I can do one once in a while. If you feel inclined to help, please do. Dave ( talk) 10:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I recently moved the above discussion from Talk:Thule (disambiguation). I feel the reasons are obvious as to why it better belongs here, but if there is some concrete reason to object, please discuss it here. Regards, ClovisPt ( talk) 17:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
The statement at the beginning of Ancient Geography that "[Pytheas] has led many people into error by saying that he traversed the whole of Britain on foot, giving the island a circumference of forty thousand stades" seems to be there without explanation. Presumably it's there to illustrate Polybius' lack of trustworthiness on his statements about Thule but without knowing how long a stadia is or what the circumference of Britain is in stadia it has no impact.
I worked out that Britain has a "circumference" of about 80,000 stadia. This comes from a 12,500km coastline and 157m per stadia. Given that using the length of Britain's coastline as an approximation of circumference would tend to exaggerate our calculation and that Pytheas was measuring the length by foot, being off by a factor of two really doesn't seem that bad.
-- Schwern ( talk) 01:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I have corrected the founding date which was incorrectly put as 1919. This may be the date on their emblem but all sources put the actual date as August 18th 1918. I provided one reference but can add many more if the change is in dispute. Mrfh ( talk) 04:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with wikipedia classing this article as mid-ranking importance. The quality of thee article may not allow it to have high importance, yet the subject is vital- Thule was the first name in recorded history given to Scandanavia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor ( talk • contribs) 09:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The Latin quote on the five days' voyage from the Orkneys somehow misses the word "five". Have only cursory acquaintance with Latin, though... 217.144.100.18 ( talk) 05:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
''Problem Posting Material''Bold text The system accepted a small portion of my material. Then it set the rest, with the remainder of the section, in a massive elongated block extending far off screen to the right and which thus cannot be read either in preview or when posted. What is the reason for this block? Geoffreybrooks ( talk) 16:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
This article includes the following passage:
According to its emblem, the Thule Society was founded on August 18, 1918. It had close links to the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (DAP), later the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ( NSDAP, the Nazi party). One of its three founding members was Lanz von Liebenfels (1874–1954).
However, the assertion that Lanz von Liebenfels was one of the founders of the Thule Society is not supported by anything in Wikipedia's Lanz von Liebenfels article or Thule Society article. Unless someone has a reliable source on this, I will remove this claim from the Thule article, along with the latter part of the paragraph it's in, since the latter part of this paragraph is irrelevant if this initial claim is false. — Lawrence King ( talk) 03:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Tell me how
In English it is pronounced /ˈθjuː.liː/ or /ˈθuː.liː/. -- 2.218.112.149 ( talk) 23:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
So I understand the logic by which most of the items in the "see also" section were picked, but how is "Magerøya" at all relevant? It's a real place, unlike the rest which are mythical/uncertain, and there doesn't seem to be any connection between them in either article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.65.146.100 ( talk) 21:40, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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A friend and myself study old maps and we came across the map with Tile on it. Which led us to search for it. If it was indeed a real place, we are 99% positive we have found it! I wish I could place screen shots here. Ricki Sinn ( talk) 02:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
The "Tile" map that is used for the article has but nothing to do with the Orkneys. I once made it from a bigger map, and it shows Bornholm... The context comes clear if you compare the island shape to Bornholm and analyze the surrounding "monsters" semiotically.
Well wishes, Alienne Laval, Magistra PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.109.130 ( talk) 15:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Thule is between the Orkneys and the Faroe Islands on the Carta Marina; -- 2A01:CB08:890E:C600:6C02:55B7:CD83:2A0 ( talk) 22:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC)