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I just moved "Sanhuangwudi" to "The Three August Ones and the Five Emperors". Google shows beside us, only 1 webpage uses Sanhuangwudi; whereas the translated name is used, excluding us, well...4 hits, that is ...more often. I saw this translated name from the Cambridge History of Ancient China. --- Menchi 09:54, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It is wrote by famous chinese historian. -- WonYong (talk) 09:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please add a reference to the article about this transliteration "August One"? This transliteration appears puzzling to me, a native Chinese. -- Pkchan 11:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
The article says "The Heavenly Sovereign (天皇), who ruled for 18,000 years... The Earthly Sovereign (地皇), who ruled for 11,000 years... The Human Sovereign (泰皇 or 人皇), who ruled for 45,600 years..." I can not find these in the Record of Grand Historian, where is this source? According to the Bamboo Annals, two ruled 100 years, others ruled 50-70 years. Dongwenliang 02:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I would be interested in assisting with a coordinated effort of verifying this information. Please let me know how I can be of assistance. Caddcreativity 03:00, 08 November 2007 (UTC)
Youchou (有巢氏) has been mentioned in some sources before. It has been left off the article until someone can get a better academic source. Benjwong ( talk) 01:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Youchao isn't mentioned in 禮記, so Liji can't be used as a source for the Five Emperors. However the Youchao myth is mentioned in 韓非子 Hanfeizi, chapter 五蠹 (which is chapter 49), Guss2 ( talk) 20:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC).
I just read this article and don't think it gives any hint what about these figures is "semi"-mythical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.173.132.118 ( talk) 04:28, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
1. Jerezembel ( talk) 22:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
What's the difference between Tai Sovereign (泰皇) and Human Sovereign (人皇)? Tai is linked to human?? Thanx! -- HilmarHansWerner ( talk) 08:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Why is the longevity of these historical figures the main argument why these people did not exist, while any criticism to the historical accuracy of the Bible for the same reasons is shut down? Wikipedia should be neutral.-- 2001:16B8:31E8:1300:4885:61B:FD38:A2A4 ( talk) 13:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Fuxi and Youxiong aren't shown on Chinese language version. Fuxi is folkloric creator of humanity, it seems, while Youxiong is apparently not a person, but the family tribe founded by Shaodian. I am not capable of determining whether they belong on the family tree, but I did add their Chinese names as every other entry has Chinese. The numbers in parenthesis are explained nowhere. I've deduced that they're all candidates for being one of the "Five Emperors" referred to in the page and section titles, and that there are eight because the lists don't agree as to which five the five are. The numbers in parenthesis are present in the Chinese version of this page, but numbered starting with the Yellow Emperor (where that page's family tree in fact starts), giving us exactly five emperors, which implies a consensus that the English page doesn't see to recognize. Swiss Frank ( talk) 17:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
You don't say! To the extent that there's any underlying history, they are legendary, not "mythological". To the extent they're solely mythological, there's no possible basis for them in history.
No, according to any account or reconstruction where these people exist at all, they definitely preceded the Xia dynasty. The current form of the rest of the page is similarly written by people who obviously don't understand what they're talking about and/or are unable to clearly focus and organize their thoughts. Luckily it's a pretty old page: just at random this version from 2010 shouldn't use the word ubermensch but otherwise presents the lead far more clearly and helpfully than the current mess. Someone with the time and interest, please restore any earlier version of the page and then just restore the helpful newer sources and content as necessary to bring it back up to snuff so we don't lose out on any actually improvements that are hidden in the current chaff field.
In that regard, it's worth noting that WP:MOS-ZH specifically discourages the current useless hanzi clutter. If people want to know the exact variants on Fuxi's name, they're available on clickthrough. At most, we should provide it once with a {{ linktext}} to the Wiktionary entry, not every time the name appears in the running text. Better still, only have the hanzi for the actual subject of this page and leave all the other characters on their separate pages, like the style guide already calls for.
Just to show how much I support any able editor in this task, I'll even run the request through OpenAI for you:
Add on links to (eg) Chinese kinship and Chinese mythology and that's a vast improvement over what we've got now. It could benefit from 1 the 2010 article's discussion about how misleading the word "emperor" is here (although that could go into a badly needed #Names section); 2 some discussion—linked to Chinese ancestral veneration—about these guys' centrality to Chinese genealogy and genealogy's centrality to Chinese culture; and 3 maybe you'd want to emend were revered in the first sentence to are revered for the 12 true-believing die-hard Taoists (heh) left... but still much better. — LlywelynII 09:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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I just moved "Sanhuangwudi" to "The Three August Ones and the Five Emperors". Google shows beside us, only 1 webpage uses Sanhuangwudi; whereas the translated name is used, excluding us, well...4 hits, that is ...more often. I saw this translated name from the Cambridge History of Ancient China. --- Menchi 09:54, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It is wrote by famous chinese historian. -- WonYong (talk) 09:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please add a reference to the article about this transliteration "August One"? This transliteration appears puzzling to me, a native Chinese. -- Pkchan 11:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
The article says "The Heavenly Sovereign (天皇), who ruled for 18,000 years... The Earthly Sovereign (地皇), who ruled for 11,000 years... The Human Sovereign (泰皇 or 人皇), who ruled for 45,600 years..." I can not find these in the Record of Grand Historian, where is this source? According to the Bamboo Annals, two ruled 100 years, others ruled 50-70 years. Dongwenliang 02:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I would be interested in assisting with a coordinated effort of verifying this information. Please let me know how I can be of assistance. Caddcreativity 03:00, 08 November 2007 (UTC)
Youchou (有巢氏) has been mentioned in some sources before. It has been left off the article until someone can get a better academic source. Benjwong ( talk) 01:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Youchao isn't mentioned in 禮記, so Liji can't be used as a source for the Five Emperors. However the Youchao myth is mentioned in 韓非子 Hanfeizi, chapter 五蠹 (which is chapter 49), Guss2 ( talk) 20:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC).
I just read this article and don't think it gives any hint what about these figures is "semi"-mythical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.173.132.118 ( talk) 04:28, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
1. Jerezembel ( talk) 22:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
What's the difference between Tai Sovereign (泰皇) and Human Sovereign (人皇)? Tai is linked to human?? Thanx! -- HilmarHansWerner ( talk) 08:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Why is the longevity of these historical figures the main argument why these people did not exist, while any criticism to the historical accuracy of the Bible for the same reasons is shut down? Wikipedia should be neutral.-- 2001:16B8:31E8:1300:4885:61B:FD38:A2A4 ( talk) 13:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Fuxi and Youxiong aren't shown on Chinese language version. Fuxi is folkloric creator of humanity, it seems, while Youxiong is apparently not a person, but the family tribe founded by Shaodian. I am not capable of determining whether they belong on the family tree, but I did add their Chinese names as every other entry has Chinese. The numbers in parenthesis are explained nowhere. I've deduced that they're all candidates for being one of the "Five Emperors" referred to in the page and section titles, and that there are eight because the lists don't agree as to which five the five are. The numbers in parenthesis are present in the Chinese version of this page, but numbered starting with the Yellow Emperor (where that page's family tree in fact starts), giving us exactly five emperors, which implies a consensus that the English page doesn't see to recognize. Swiss Frank ( talk) 17:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
You don't say! To the extent that there's any underlying history, they are legendary, not "mythological". To the extent they're solely mythological, there's no possible basis for them in history.
No, according to any account or reconstruction where these people exist at all, they definitely preceded the Xia dynasty. The current form of the rest of the page is similarly written by people who obviously don't understand what they're talking about and/or are unable to clearly focus and organize their thoughts. Luckily it's a pretty old page: just at random this version from 2010 shouldn't use the word ubermensch but otherwise presents the lead far more clearly and helpfully than the current mess. Someone with the time and interest, please restore any earlier version of the page and then just restore the helpful newer sources and content as necessary to bring it back up to snuff so we don't lose out on any actually improvements that are hidden in the current chaff field.
In that regard, it's worth noting that WP:MOS-ZH specifically discourages the current useless hanzi clutter. If people want to know the exact variants on Fuxi's name, they're available on clickthrough. At most, we should provide it once with a {{ linktext}} to the Wiktionary entry, not every time the name appears in the running text. Better still, only have the hanzi for the actual subject of this page and leave all the other characters on their separate pages, like the style guide already calls for.
Just to show how much I support any able editor in this task, I'll even run the request through OpenAI for you:
Add on links to (eg) Chinese kinship and Chinese mythology and that's a vast improvement over what we've got now. It could benefit from 1 the 2010 article's discussion about how misleading the word "emperor" is here (although that could go into a badly needed #Names section); 2 some discussion—linked to Chinese ancestral veneration—about these guys' centrality to Chinese genealogy and genealogy's centrality to Chinese culture; and 3 maybe you'd want to emend were revered in the first sentence to are revered for the 12 true-believing die-hard Taoists (heh) left... but still much better. — LlywelynII 09:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)