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If of significance: The symbol can also be seen as part of the "Jewish world conspiracy" in an image of the extremely obscene anti-Semitic exhibition "Le Juife et la France" (1940), about which no English wiki article exists so far. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2004-0211-500%2C_Frankreich%2C_Antisemitismus%2C_Ausstellung.jpg https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Juif_et_la_France — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:B40:2258:C136:9963:CC43:A5C8 ( talk) 15:47, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
An obscenity is any utterance or act that strongly offends the prevalent morality of the time. It is derived from the Latin obscēnus, obscaenus, "boding ill; disgusting; indecent..
I have seen it used in 2015-2019 during leftist demos in CEE countries. Not sure if it has the same meaning nowadays. Zezen ( talk) 10:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the famous SPD poster "Gegen Papen, Hitler, Thälmann" TucanHolmes keeps adding the moniker "Soviet" to the image caption ( [1]). I find this wording objectionable. Without going deep into OR, it's pretty clear that the poster signals KPD (by explicitly naming Thälmann and by displaying the KPD symbol) as the intended enemy - at no point is the USSR, Stalin or Comintern mentioned or flagged in the poster. In a similar vein, not sure if the description of the Papen followers as 'reactionary' is helpful to the reader. -- Soman ( talk) 17:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
The iconized version of the Three Arrows we are currently displaying is misleading, since it contains them in a circle (the actual Three Arrows didn't have to feature in this sort of outline), so we should probably do something about that.
Additionally, we should split their presentation, into
Any thoughts or objections? Otherwise I will go ahead with these changes. TucanHolmes ( talk) 18:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Soman As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the Three Arrows originated with the intention of targeting libertarian communists or council communists, for instance, who had very similar criticisms of totalitarianism that the Iron Front highlighted. In fact, the Iron Front page points out that the group's targets were authoritarians, and on the far-left end of that target were the KPD and, as the second image on the Three Arrows page specifically mentions, Ernst Thälmann, leader of the KPD. The KPD's ideology under Thälmann (leader 1925-1933) and when the Three Arrows symbolism began in 1932, without question, was loyalty to the Soviet Union and Marxism–Leninism. This is the form of communist ideology that the Iron Front page mentions specifically as well. I find this specificity of what they targeted in this messaging particularly useful for understanding why socialists, including anarchists and Marxists, have historically and to this day used the symbolism against authoritarianism despite its creation by a social democratic party. Bryce Springfield ( talk) 05:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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If of significance: The symbol can also be seen as part of the "Jewish world conspiracy" in an image of the extremely obscene anti-Semitic exhibition "Le Juife et la France" (1940), about which no English wiki article exists so far. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2004-0211-500%2C_Frankreich%2C_Antisemitismus%2C_Ausstellung.jpg https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Juif_et_la_France — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:B40:2258:C136:9963:CC43:A5C8 ( talk) 15:47, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
An obscenity is any utterance or act that strongly offends the prevalent morality of the time. It is derived from the Latin obscēnus, obscaenus, "boding ill; disgusting; indecent..
I have seen it used in 2015-2019 during leftist demos in CEE countries. Not sure if it has the same meaning nowadays. Zezen ( talk) 10:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the famous SPD poster "Gegen Papen, Hitler, Thälmann" TucanHolmes keeps adding the moniker "Soviet" to the image caption ( [1]). I find this wording objectionable. Without going deep into OR, it's pretty clear that the poster signals KPD (by explicitly naming Thälmann and by displaying the KPD symbol) as the intended enemy - at no point is the USSR, Stalin or Comintern mentioned or flagged in the poster. In a similar vein, not sure if the description of the Papen followers as 'reactionary' is helpful to the reader. -- Soman ( talk) 17:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
The iconized version of the Three Arrows we are currently displaying is misleading, since it contains them in a circle (the actual Three Arrows didn't have to feature in this sort of outline), so we should probably do something about that.
Additionally, we should split their presentation, into
Any thoughts or objections? Otherwise I will go ahead with these changes. TucanHolmes ( talk) 18:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Soman As far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the Three Arrows originated with the intention of targeting libertarian communists or council communists, for instance, who had very similar criticisms of totalitarianism that the Iron Front highlighted. In fact, the Iron Front page points out that the group's targets were authoritarians, and on the far-left end of that target were the KPD and, as the second image on the Three Arrows page specifically mentions, Ernst Thälmann, leader of the KPD. The KPD's ideology under Thälmann (leader 1925-1933) and when the Three Arrows symbolism began in 1932, without question, was loyalty to the Soviet Union and Marxism–Leninism. This is the form of communist ideology that the Iron Front page mentions specifically as well. I find this specificity of what they targeted in this messaging particularly useful for understanding why socialists, including anarchists and Marxists, have historically and to this day used the symbolism against authoritarianism despite its creation by a social democratic party. Bryce Springfield ( talk) 05:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)