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@ Makeandtoss: we can continue our conversation here. Feel free to edit the article. VR (Please ping on reply) 05:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by
AirshipJungleman29Â
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11:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
VR (Please ping on reply) 03:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC).
FortunateSons here is another suggestion:
VR (Please ping on reply) 16:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Alt4 should be interesting and uncontroversial. VR (Please ping on reply) 05:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Under discussion, see
Wikipedia talk:Did you know#IsraelâPalestine hook. Please continue that discussion here.
Schwede
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01:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
why is it relevant that ""article has changed considerably between the original nomination on 18 May and promotion to prep on 5 July""? @User:Launchballer reviewed it on 09:20, 5 July 2024 and presumably did not find any issues with it.â What had me concerned is the possibility of the political situation evolving such that the hook no longer reflects current events (per WP:DYKG). However, it does seem that the original proposal is still on the table [10], so that should be solvable by adding a source published more recently.
As for catchiness, I guess that's subjective.â I stand by my original comment, since I feel having three phases alone isn't a particularly unusual aspect of a plan, but I welcome alternative phrasings or opinions. Complex/ Rational 14:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
On May 4 and May 5, talks were hosted in Cairo, which were attended by Egyptians, Qataris, Hamas, and a US delegation led by CIA director William Burns. Although Hamas also sent a delegation, the Americans don't directly talk to Hamas, but communicate their proposals through intermediaries."
Its slightly different from your suggestion, but I think well worded? VR (Please ping on reply) 18:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Theleekycauldron, Launchballer, and AirshipJungleman29:. Not sure why this was closed. It seemed that the main reviewer (Launchballer) and the nominator (myself) finally agreed on a concise and neutral hook that was also interesting. I understand this process has taken long, but most of the time was spent waiting for a reviewer. We have spent quite a lot of effort in getting this done. I appreciate your patience. VR (Please ping on reply) 03:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
right after the sentence:
"Hamas said it disagreed with three points in that proposal"
add: "the 3 points that they disagreed in that proposal:
the citation could be from the same cnn article https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/03/middleeast/isreal-delegation-cairo-gaza-hostages-intl/index.html 79.180.47.77 ( talk) 14:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
in the wikipedia article is regarding the 1st stage of the deal
"In this stage, Hamas would release 33 Israeli captives. It would start with releasing all living Israeli children (under 19), all living civilian women, all living elderly (over age 50) Israelis, and all living female Israeli soldiers"
but in the aljazeera article its written:
"During the first phase, Hamas shall release 33 Israeli captives (alive or dead), including women (civilians and soldiers), children (under the age of 19 who are not soldiers), those over the age of 50, and the sick, in exchange for a number of prisoners in Israeli prisons and detention centres, according to the following [criteria]:
.....
If there are fewer than 33 living Israeli detainees to be released, a number of bodies from the same categories shall be released to complete this stage. In return, Israel will release all women and children who were arrested from the Gaza Strip after October 7, 2023 â provided this is done in the fifth week of this stage."
can we address possibility of fewer then 33 hostages alive in the summery of the first step of the deal? 79.180.47.77 ( talk) 14:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Thoughts? FortunateSons ( talk) 06:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Some parties play a game of accusing the mediators, blaming and accusing them of bias in order to evade making the required decisions." VR (Please ping on reply) 16:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure that every proposal that anyone suggests during a long process of negotiations deserves a wikipedia article Vegan416 ( talk) 13:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
This edit completely replaces the article by deleting almost everything that was there previously, and replacing it with an entirely different article. I understand the topics are strongly connected. And I wouldn't have objected if the edit merely added the material without removing the previous material. Hence I will undo this edit. I will also undo the undiscussed move. Please start a move request. VR (Please ping on reply) 14:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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This page currently identifies Greg Casar as a US senator. It should be updated to reflect that he is actually a member of the House of Representatives. Arcturus95 ( talk) 17:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Should Details of the March 5 proposal and Reactions to March 5 proposal both be May 5?
There does not seem to be any mention of March anywhere else, so this seems like a typo to me. Arcturus95 ( talk) 17:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Itâs redundant to say âfemale soldiersâ after you already said âwomenâ in âthe total number of alive children, women, elderly and female soldiersâ. 82.36.70.81 ( talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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I request that we change "all Israeli being held in Gaza" to "all *Israelis* being held in Gaza." As in, change the singular to a plural. Zoozoor ( talk) 13:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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@ Makeandtoss: we can continue our conversation here. Feel free to edit the article. VR (Please ping on reply) 05:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by
AirshipJungleman29Â
talkÂ
11:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
VR (Please ping on reply) 03:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC).
FortunateSons here is another suggestion:
VR (Please ping on reply) 16:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Alt4 should be interesting and uncontroversial. VR (Please ping on reply) 05:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Under discussion, see
Wikipedia talk:Did you know#IsraelâPalestine hook. Please continue that discussion here.
Schwede
66
01:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
why is it relevant that ""article has changed considerably between the original nomination on 18 May and promotion to prep on 5 July""? @User:Launchballer reviewed it on 09:20, 5 July 2024 and presumably did not find any issues with it.â What had me concerned is the possibility of the political situation evolving such that the hook no longer reflects current events (per WP:DYKG). However, it does seem that the original proposal is still on the table [10], so that should be solvable by adding a source published more recently.
As for catchiness, I guess that's subjective.â I stand by my original comment, since I feel having three phases alone isn't a particularly unusual aspect of a plan, but I welcome alternative phrasings or opinions. Complex/ Rational 14:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
On May 4 and May 5, talks were hosted in Cairo, which were attended by Egyptians, Qataris, Hamas, and a US delegation led by CIA director William Burns. Although Hamas also sent a delegation, the Americans don't directly talk to Hamas, but communicate their proposals through intermediaries."
Its slightly different from your suggestion, but I think well worded? VR (Please ping on reply) 18:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Theleekycauldron, Launchballer, and AirshipJungleman29:. Not sure why this was closed. It seemed that the main reviewer (Launchballer) and the nominator (myself) finally agreed on a concise and neutral hook that was also interesting. I understand this process has taken long, but most of the time was spent waiting for a reviewer. We have spent quite a lot of effort in getting this done. I appreciate your patience. VR (Please ping on reply) 03:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
right after the sentence:
"Hamas said it disagreed with three points in that proposal"
add: "the 3 points that they disagreed in that proposal:
the citation could be from the same cnn article https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/03/middleeast/isreal-delegation-cairo-gaza-hostages-intl/index.html 79.180.47.77 ( talk) 14:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
in the wikipedia article is regarding the 1st stage of the deal
"In this stage, Hamas would release 33 Israeli captives. It would start with releasing all living Israeli children (under 19), all living civilian women, all living elderly (over age 50) Israelis, and all living female Israeli soldiers"
but in the aljazeera article its written:
"During the first phase, Hamas shall release 33 Israeli captives (alive or dead), including women (civilians and soldiers), children (under the age of 19 who are not soldiers), those over the age of 50, and the sick, in exchange for a number of prisoners in Israeli prisons and detention centres, according to the following [criteria]:
.....
If there are fewer than 33 living Israeli detainees to be released, a number of bodies from the same categories shall be released to complete this stage. In return, Israel will release all women and children who were arrested from the Gaza Strip after October 7, 2023 â provided this is done in the fifth week of this stage."
can we address possibility of fewer then 33 hostages alive in the summery of the first step of the deal? 79.180.47.77 ( talk) 14:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Thoughts? FortunateSons ( talk) 06:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Some parties play a game of accusing the mediators, blaming and accusing them of bias in order to evade making the required decisions." VR (Please ping on reply) 16:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure that every proposal that anyone suggests during a long process of negotiations deserves a wikipedia article Vegan416 ( talk) 13:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
This edit completely replaces the article by deleting almost everything that was there previously, and replacing it with an entirely different article. I understand the topics are strongly connected. And I wouldn't have objected if the edit merely added the material without removing the previous material. Hence I will undo this edit. I will also undo the undiscussed move. Please start a move request. VR (Please ping on reply) 14:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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This page currently identifies Greg Casar as a US senator. It should be updated to reflect that he is actually a member of the House of Representatives. Arcturus95 ( talk) 17:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Should Details of the March 5 proposal and Reactions to March 5 proposal both be May 5?
There does not seem to be any mention of March anywhere else, so this seems like a typo to me. Arcturus95 ( talk) 17:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Itâs redundant to say âfemale soldiersâ after you already said âwomenâ in âthe total number of alive children, women, elderly and female soldiersâ. 82.36.70.81 ( talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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I request that we change "all Israeli being held in Gaza" to "all *Israelis* being held in Gaza." As in, change the singular to a plural. Zoozoor ( talk) 13:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)