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The last two sections (cause of thrashing and limiting the effects of thrashing) appear to be copied word-for-word from the textbook Operating System Concepts (Silberschatz, Galvin, Gagne). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.138.253.205 ( talk) 15:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Is this term commonly used to refer to work? I'm a software engineer and I often hear thrashing to mean what happens when engineers are switching between projects far too often. Since the term has its roots in our field, is it exclusive to us, or does it exist in other fields? Should it be mentioned here?
CSZero 22:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
IMHO, an animation of "thrashing" would be worth "a million" words. (Since "a picture is worth a 1000 words." An animation is a ~1000 pictures, thus(1000X1000=1,000,000) "a million" words.)
I'd like to see the term "permaswap" added to this article. It's a common way to describe the situation where the system is almost completely stalled, and the disk is going crazy. See for instance this link [1] or just do a Google search for the term. There are lots of references, but the term doesn't exist in Wikipedia. leifbk 09:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The advice to increase memory is in principle a good one, though on some systems I believe that this will not always solve the problem, depending on what programs are used. For example, running a virus checker over a disc drive may result in any caches being flushed, and any other program will slow down to snail's pace. This seems to be quite common in systems such as Windows XP. This is hinted at in the article, but specific details are not given. Programs which look at significant parts of storage discs, or which create large files themselves (e.g sound, video recorders), and programs which use large temporary memory or files (e.g photo manipulation programs) are more likely to cause thrashing problems than programs which only use a small amount of memory, and few files. David Martland 16:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
"In computer science, thrash (verb) is the term used to describe a degenerate situation on a computer where increasing resources are used to do a decreasing amount of work."
A thrash is when the same data is being repeatedly passed back and forth between two storage devices. Not some vague reference to over-consumption of any old resource.
This results in only one extra system resource being consumed - time. I guess the side effect of consuming the data channel between the two storage devices for this unwanted duration can be considered a resource too.
And when one storage device is faster then it effectively has to slow down to match the slower storage, consuming even more time.
Evanh ( talk) 13:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC) gds —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.72.180.148 ( talk) 09:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In the UK, it seems that 'Threshing' is the correct spelling according to the OCR exam board (Computing). What I've been taught was: "Disk threshing is when the system spends more time swapping pages between memory and disk than running the program(s)." I also agree to Evanh's comment that the definition should refer to this swapping of data
Our teacher Eddie says OCR are wrong, they are the only people who spell it this way — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradhinch ( talk • contribs) 09:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Did 'threshing' morph into the more obvious term 'thrashing' in American English? Thanks. Tiscando ( talk) 18:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
No! It certainly isn't normal usage in the UK. The only people who use this term are the examiners on the OCR exam board. It is very hard to explain this, especially as they use the term consistently throughout their documentation and also in exam questions. It is not the only aspect of the OCR syllabus that is problematic. There are a number of places where the examiners use terms imprecisely or incorrectly. Charlesyoung ( talk) 00:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
is this a spot the difference game? because I cant spot the difference... 203.36.161.41 ( talk) 22:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Thrashing in computer science has also been used to describe programmers who sit thinking about a problem for too long who need to reach out for help. Colloquially we may call this "spinning their wheels," as in, working but not going anywhere. It's somewhat of a joke, the programmer runs out of memory instead of the program.
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The last two sections (cause of thrashing and limiting the effects of thrashing) appear to be copied word-for-word from the textbook Operating System Concepts (Silberschatz, Galvin, Gagne). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.138.253.205 ( talk) 15:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Is this term commonly used to refer to work? I'm a software engineer and I often hear thrashing to mean what happens when engineers are switching between projects far too often. Since the term has its roots in our field, is it exclusive to us, or does it exist in other fields? Should it be mentioned here?
CSZero 22:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
IMHO, an animation of "thrashing" would be worth "a million" words. (Since "a picture is worth a 1000 words." An animation is a ~1000 pictures, thus(1000X1000=1,000,000) "a million" words.)
I'd like to see the term "permaswap" added to this article. It's a common way to describe the situation where the system is almost completely stalled, and the disk is going crazy. See for instance this link [1] or just do a Google search for the term. There are lots of references, but the term doesn't exist in Wikipedia. leifbk 09:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The advice to increase memory is in principle a good one, though on some systems I believe that this will not always solve the problem, depending on what programs are used. For example, running a virus checker over a disc drive may result in any caches being flushed, and any other program will slow down to snail's pace. This seems to be quite common in systems such as Windows XP. This is hinted at in the article, but specific details are not given. Programs which look at significant parts of storage discs, or which create large files themselves (e.g sound, video recorders), and programs which use large temporary memory or files (e.g photo manipulation programs) are more likely to cause thrashing problems than programs which only use a small amount of memory, and few files. David Martland 16:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
"In computer science, thrash (verb) is the term used to describe a degenerate situation on a computer where increasing resources are used to do a decreasing amount of work."
A thrash is when the same data is being repeatedly passed back and forth between two storage devices. Not some vague reference to over-consumption of any old resource.
This results in only one extra system resource being consumed - time. I guess the side effect of consuming the data channel between the two storage devices for this unwanted duration can be considered a resource too.
And when one storage device is faster then it effectively has to slow down to match the slower storage, consuming even more time.
Evanh ( talk) 13:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC) gds —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.72.180.148 ( talk) 09:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In the UK, it seems that 'Threshing' is the correct spelling according to the OCR exam board (Computing). What I've been taught was: "Disk threshing is when the system spends more time swapping pages between memory and disk than running the program(s)." I also agree to Evanh's comment that the definition should refer to this swapping of data
Our teacher Eddie says OCR are wrong, they are the only people who spell it this way — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradhinch ( talk • contribs) 09:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Did 'threshing' morph into the more obvious term 'thrashing' in American English? Thanks. Tiscando ( talk) 18:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
No! It certainly isn't normal usage in the UK. The only people who use this term are the examiners on the OCR exam board. It is very hard to explain this, especially as they use the term consistently throughout their documentation and also in exam questions. It is not the only aspect of the OCR syllabus that is problematic. There are a number of places where the examiners use terms imprecisely or incorrectly. Charlesyoung ( talk) 00:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
is this a spot the difference game? because I cant spot the difference... 203.36.161.41 ( talk) 22:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Thrashing in computer science has also been used to describe programmers who sit thinking about a problem for too long who need to reach out for help. Colloquially we may call this "spinning their wheels," as in, working but not going anywhere. It's somewhat of a joke, the programmer runs out of memory instead of the program.
Examples of use in context