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I felt points #1, #2 and #4 in the Controversies Section were not, well, controversies.
Can an editor please explain why the 'Controversies' section is allowed on this page? It's clearly presented from a biased POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.143.220.130 ( talk) 14:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I really hate to sound cynical, but it even seems like most of the comments on this talk page could be Thoughtworks employees discussing how to better punch up the listing to make it as persuasive as possible(?)
The article is also full of what really seems like "original research," i.e. knowledge based purely on personal experience and interpretation, without citing sources for many assertions.
Jupitermenace
No mention on Martin Fowler?
Yeah, we need to add Martin Fowler, Pramodkumar Sadalage, Obie Fernandez - well whoever has published or is going to publish. Maybe a separate publications section.
Any info for the timeline would be appreciated too.
I was figuring on including Martin first in the History section - he was the root of the switch to
XP in '99 after all.
DarkseidX 12:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Additionally, need to add content on sections
Also need to check on the CFO - shouldn't it be Graham Webster? The official website says it's Eric Lougmiller
DarkseidX 09:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Also adding important TW alumni like JoeWalnes, NatPryce, GregorHohpe and others might be a good idea.
Need some disambiguination info on
Forte - is it the 4GL app server?
Also more on the languages timeline and the interactions with Sun and Microsoft during the introductory phases of
Java and
.Net
DarkseidX 05:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
The 'culture' section is totally not NPOV 05:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.200.39.75 ( talk • contribs) .
"ThoughtWorks' culture is built around a belief that relationships between people are very important."
I need some copy to follow - something like "As a consequence, ThoughtWorkers maintain personal relationships with peers around the world" or some such. I'm having trouble framing it.
Essentially the impact it has on bridging tarditional communication problems and the (unsusually) high degree of feedback it engenders.
DarkseidX 07:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
We need an NPOV review by an unbiased reader... especially segments in Culture, and TWU
DarkseidX 07:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Text currently says "Extreme Programming, the software engineering methodology practised by ThoughtWorks" ... but in the Bangalore photo I don't see anyone pairing? What's the story? Stumps 10:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Good point - I'll try to get a better one. This was taken during a lunch break - all the idle workstations in the picture are 'pairing' machines; laptops are mostly used for personal work. DarkseidX 12:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Cool. I thought it looked like the traditional "pair lunching" was in progress :) Stumps 12:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Something should probably be mentioned of their IPO which didn't happen, and the put which they are trying to figure out how to repay. See http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/(5iwbml55qliqzireoy5eoe45)/download.aspx?ID=79250 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.129.121.62 ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree entirely. The company seems in some trouble to get out of this hole. Another relevant link: http://briandonovan.info/self-assembly/2006/08/02/thoughtworks-solving-the-put-issue/ -- Rhebus 16:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
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I propose the following addition to the current Controversies section since court decisions have been made:
This case was decided in 2006. [1] The company then began a process to redeem preferred shares on a quarterly basis with what it determined to be the legally available funds for redemption. SVIP refused to provide the necessary documentation to receive payment for its redeemed shares although several other shareholders have done so. In 2007 SVIP initiated another suit to force the company to redeem all its shares at once. [2]
In 2010 the Delaware court ruled in ThoughtWorks’ favor,
[3] and SVIP is appealing the decision to the Delaware Supreme Court.
Does anyone have other or different information before I do this? I am editing this on behalf of the company.
Wordsugar (
talk) 16:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
References
Hi user:Sharialaw1. I noticed you were reverting my edits and thought maybe we could talk about it here.
We could start with the Controversies section. The only citations used for this section are court records and a quick Google News search did not reveal any independent, secondary sources, such as articles from established news articles, which would be especially prevalent of a requirement for highly contentious material. CorporateM ( Talk) 01:29, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use require that editors disclose their "employer, client, and affiliation" with respect to any paid contribution; see WP:PAID. For advice about reviewing paid contributions, see WP:COIRESPONSE. |
Jquraish ( talk) 19:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. [see comment below] |
Updating old page to remove dead links, fix inaccuracies, add updated text, improve citations, and link more internally.
In first paragraph, link from "contributed to a range of open source products" " /info/en/?search=ThoughtWorks#Open_source_contributions" appears to be broken. Please remove.
In the late 1980s Roy Singham founded Singham Business Services as a management consulting company servicing the equipment leasing industry in a Chicago basement. [1] According to Singham, after two to three years, Singham started recruiting additional staff and came up with the name ThoughtWorks in 1990. The company was incorporated under the new name in 1993 and focused on building software applications. [2] Over time, ThoughtWorks' technology shifted from C++ and Forte 4GL in the mid-1990s to include Java in the late 1990s.
Martin Fowler joined the company in 1999 and became its chief scientist in 2000. [3] In 2001, ThoughtWorks agreed to settle a lawsuit by Microsoft for $480,000 for deploying unlicensed copies of office productivity software to employees. [4]
Also in 2001, Fowler, Jim Highsmith, and other key software figures authored the Agile Manifesto. The company began using agile techniques while working on a leasing project. [5] ThoughtWorks’ technical expertise expanded with the .NET Framework in 2002, C# in 2004, Ruby and the Rails platform in 2006. [6] In 2002, ThoughtWorks chief scientist Martin Fowler wrote "Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture" with contributions by ThoughtWorkers David Rice and Matthew Foemmel, as well as outside contributors Edward Hieatt, Robert Mee, and Randy Stafford. [7]
On 2 March 2007, ThoughtWorks announced Trevor Mather as the new CEO. [8] Singham became Executive Chairman. Also in March 2007, Rebecca Parsons joined ThoughtWorks as Chief Technical Officer. [9] [10]
In 2010, Jim Highsmith joined ThoughtWorks. [11] Also in 2010, CTO Parsons was named as one of Fast Company's "Most Influential Women in Technology". [12] At the start of 2012, ThoughtWorks moved its 40-person sales team on straight salaries instead of commission. [13] In early 2012, Aaron Swartz joined the company. [14] In May 2012, Ken Collier joined the company. [15]
In April 2013, ThoughtWorks announced a new collective leadership structure and appointed four co-Presidents of the global organization. [16] [17] The appointments followed the announcement that the then current CEO, Trevor Mather, was leaving ThoughtWorks to take up the role of CEO for the Trader Media Group. [18]
In May 2013, Dr. David Walton was hired as Director of Global Health to "lead its practice in serving the technology needs of healthcare institutions in resource-poor environments." [19] Walton has done work in Haiti since 1999, including helping establish a 300-room, solar-powered hospital and the establishment of a noncommunicable disease clinic. [20] In 2015, Guo Xiao, who started as a developer in ThoughtWorks China in 1999, became the Chief Executive Officer and President. Also in 2015, Chinese marketing data company AdMaster acquired Chinese online form automation platform JinShuJu from ThoughtWorks. [21] [22]
ThoughtWorks has more than 3500 employees, working from 36 offices in 14 countries. Jquraish ( talk) 21:40, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
References
At the time, I was an independent consultant working in the leasing business, but I realized I didn't want to work on my own. So I recruited a few people, and we built a company called Singham Business Services for two or three years doing consulting and leasing. Then in 1990, I came up with the name ThoughtWorks
The fledgling enterprise recruited some of its first technical staff by posting bulletin board notices at the University of Chicago. ThoughtWorks soon grew from an initial staff of 8 people to 30 consultants at the time of its official incorporation in 1993
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I am posting here to enlist help in removing promotional text from this page. Here are some areas that I am finding particularly promotional:
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I felt points #1, #2 and #4 in the Controversies Section were not, well, controversies.
Can an editor please explain why the 'Controversies' section is allowed on this page? It's clearly presented from a biased POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.143.220.130 ( talk) 14:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I really hate to sound cynical, but it even seems like most of the comments on this talk page could be Thoughtworks employees discussing how to better punch up the listing to make it as persuasive as possible(?)
The article is also full of what really seems like "original research," i.e. knowledge based purely on personal experience and interpretation, without citing sources for many assertions.
Jupitermenace
No mention on Martin Fowler?
Yeah, we need to add Martin Fowler, Pramodkumar Sadalage, Obie Fernandez - well whoever has published or is going to publish. Maybe a separate publications section.
Any info for the timeline would be appreciated too.
I was figuring on including Martin first in the History section - he was the root of the switch to
XP in '99 after all.
DarkseidX 12:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Additionally, need to add content on sections
Also need to check on the CFO - shouldn't it be Graham Webster? The official website says it's Eric Lougmiller
DarkseidX 09:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Also adding important TW alumni like JoeWalnes, NatPryce, GregorHohpe and others might be a good idea.
Need some disambiguination info on
Forte - is it the 4GL app server?
Also more on the languages timeline and the interactions with Sun and Microsoft during the introductory phases of
Java and
.Net
DarkseidX 05:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
The 'culture' section is totally not NPOV 05:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.200.39.75 ( talk • contribs) .
"ThoughtWorks' culture is built around a belief that relationships between people are very important."
I need some copy to follow - something like "As a consequence, ThoughtWorkers maintain personal relationships with peers around the world" or some such. I'm having trouble framing it.
Essentially the impact it has on bridging tarditional communication problems and the (unsusually) high degree of feedback it engenders.
DarkseidX 07:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
We need an NPOV review by an unbiased reader... especially segments in Culture, and TWU
DarkseidX 07:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Text currently says "Extreme Programming, the software engineering methodology practised by ThoughtWorks" ... but in the Bangalore photo I don't see anyone pairing? What's the story? Stumps 10:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Good point - I'll try to get a better one. This was taken during a lunch break - all the idle workstations in the picture are 'pairing' machines; laptops are mostly used for personal work. DarkseidX 12:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Cool. I thought it looked like the traditional "pair lunching" was in progress :) Stumps 12:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Something should probably be mentioned of their IPO which didn't happen, and the put which they are trying to figure out how to repay. See http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/(5iwbml55qliqzireoy5eoe45)/download.aspx?ID=79250 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.129.121.62 ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree entirely. The company seems in some trouble to get out of this hole. Another relevant link: http://briandonovan.info/self-assembly/2006/08/02/thoughtworks-solving-the-put-issue/ -- Rhebus 16:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Image:TW Logo noTag onBlk.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 04:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I propose the following addition to the current Controversies section since court decisions have been made:
This case was decided in 2006. [1] The company then began a process to redeem preferred shares on a quarterly basis with what it determined to be the legally available funds for redemption. SVIP refused to provide the necessary documentation to receive payment for its redeemed shares although several other shareholders have done so. In 2007 SVIP initiated another suit to force the company to redeem all its shares at once. [2]
In 2010 the Delaware court ruled in ThoughtWorks’ favor,
[3] and SVIP is appealing the decision to the Delaware Supreme Court.
Does anyone have other or different information before I do this? I am editing this on behalf of the company.
Wordsugar (
talk) 16:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
References
Hi user:Sharialaw1. I noticed you were reverting my edits and thought maybe we could talk about it here.
We could start with the Controversies section. The only citations used for this section are court records and a quick Google News search did not reveal any independent, secondary sources, such as articles from established news articles, which would be especially prevalent of a requirement for highly contentious material. CorporateM ( Talk) 01:29, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use require that editors disclose their "employer, client, and affiliation" with respect to any paid contribution; see WP:PAID. For advice about reviewing paid contributions, see WP:COIRESPONSE. |
Jquraish ( talk) 19:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. [see comment below] |
Updating old page to remove dead links, fix inaccuracies, add updated text, improve citations, and link more internally.
In first paragraph, link from "contributed to a range of open source products" " /info/en/?search=ThoughtWorks#Open_source_contributions" appears to be broken. Please remove.
In the late 1980s Roy Singham founded Singham Business Services as a management consulting company servicing the equipment leasing industry in a Chicago basement. [1] According to Singham, after two to three years, Singham started recruiting additional staff and came up with the name ThoughtWorks in 1990. The company was incorporated under the new name in 1993 and focused on building software applications. [2] Over time, ThoughtWorks' technology shifted from C++ and Forte 4GL in the mid-1990s to include Java in the late 1990s.
Martin Fowler joined the company in 1999 and became its chief scientist in 2000. [3] In 2001, ThoughtWorks agreed to settle a lawsuit by Microsoft for $480,000 for deploying unlicensed copies of office productivity software to employees. [4]
Also in 2001, Fowler, Jim Highsmith, and other key software figures authored the Agile Manifesto. The company began using agile techniques while working on a leasing project. [5] ThoughtWorks’ technical expertise expanded with the .NET Framework in 2002, C# in 2004, Ruby and the Rails platform in 2006. [6] In 2002, ThoughtWorks chief scientist Martin Fowler wrote "Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture" with contributions by ThoughtWorkers David Rice and Matthew Foemmel, as well as outside contributors Edward Hieatt, Robert Mee, and Randy Stafford. [7]
On 2 March 2007, ThoughtWorks announced Trevor Mather as the new CEO. [8] Singham became Executive Chairman. Also in March 2007, Rebecca Parsons joined ThoughtWorks as Chief Technical Officer. [9] [10]
In 2010, Jim Highsmith joined ThoughtWorks. [11] Also in 2010, CTO Parsons was named as one of Fast Company's "Most Influential Women in Technology". [12] At the start of 2012, ThoughtWorks moved its 40-person sales team on straight salaries instead of commission. [13] In early 2012, Aaron Swartz joined the company. [14] In May 2012, Ken Collier joined the company. [15]
In April 2013, ThoughtWorks announced a new collective leadership structure and appointed four co-Presidents of the global organization. [16] [17] The appointments followed the announcement that the then current CEO, Trevor Mather, was leaving ThoughtWorks to take up the role of CEO for the Trader Media Group. [18]
In May 2013, Dr. David Walton was hired as Director of Global Health to "lead its practice in serving the technology needs of healthcare institutions in resource-poor environments." [19] Walton has done work in Haiti since 1999, including helping establish a 300-room, solar-powered hospital and the establishment of a noncommunicable disease clinic. [20] In 2015, Guo Xiao, who started as a developer in ThoughtWorks China in 1999, became the Chief Executive Officer and President. Also in 2015, Chinese marketing data company AdMaster acquired Chinese online form automation platform JinShuJu from ThoughtWorks. [21] [22]
ThoughtWorks has more than 3500 employees, working from 36 offices in 14 countries. Jquraish ( talk) 21:40, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
References
At the time, I was an independent consultant working in the leasing business, but I realized I didn't want to work on my own. So I recruited a few people, and we built a company called Singham Business Services for two or three years doing consulting and leasing. Then in 1990, I came up with the name ThoughtWorks
The fledgling enterprise recruited some of its first technical staff by posting bulletin board notices at the University of Chicago. ThoughtWorks soon grew from an initial staff of 8 people to 30 consultants at the time of its official incorporation in 1993
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I am posting here to enlist help in removing promotional text from this page. Here are some areas that I am finding particularly promotional:
Thx 70.79.172.75 ( talk) 17:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)