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So this isn't a copyright violation. -- Khym Chanur 04:54, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia’s Thoracic Outlet Syndrome information page remains tainted with very poor, unsafe and non researched information regarding several aspects of this condition. I would suggest that this article be taken offline so that more patients aren't hurt but the continuous false, non researched information, often agenda laden, information some contributors have suggested. Nothing about Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome has been proven with national research beyond one physician opinion or theory. Patients obtain very poor information and make extremely invasive medical decisions based of this agenda laden article. This is a condition with extreme consequences if blatant unnecessary surgery if offered and performed for a condition in which NO clinician can actually pinpoint the location and cause, or recite the pathophysiology of Thoracic Outlet Syndrome in a manner consistent with proven national research and adequate objective diagnostic testing for upper extremity pain. We will continue to revise this article so that safe language is presented to your viewers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliehorse12345 ( talk • contribs) 23:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you JHBuk. While you acknowledge that Wikipedia does not give medical advice, indirect advice is given through this site by offering medical information in the first place. You further acknowledge that this information can be misused, however, there are no caveats to suggest to the viewer of the potential for professional medical bais and additional caveat suggesting potential harmful content. I do not think "unverified claims" is a sufficient enough warning to a mostly lay audience. In the case of Thoracic Outlet Syndrome (TOS), every article placed online is not of any national research whatsoever, as there hasn't been any to date, just continual one physician opinion and theory which can be very harmful. This would make these citations related to the pathophysiology and treatment of this condition also misleading and again, lay viewers may not understand the concept of "original" research. To include medical conditions into your database, Wikipedia must ensure that they do not indirectly promote content which may and has produce catastrophic results. Perhaps the most ethical and safest option would be to redirect your viewers to your WP Medical in which the current content for TOS is acceptable. Most of the time, it is NOT in this article. Furthermore, it would be quite difficult to cite any "good referenced" literature in which national research suggested appropriate diagnostic testing and treatment options because they don't exist. Thank you for placing additional templates to this article. I also want to make clear that it is quite obvious that a pattern of professional agenda continues to develop in this article by correlating the content with previous and new citations. It is quite obvious and blantant attempts to drum up business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliehorse12345 ( talk • contribs) 12:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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Mayo Clinic staff (November 6, 2010).
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From the NINDS page the article was copied from:
So this isn't a copyright violation. -- Khym Chanur 04:54, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia’s Thoracic Outlet Syndrome information page remains tainted with very poor, unsafe and non researched information regarding several aspects of this condition. I would suggest that this article be taken offline so that more patients aren't hurt but the continuous false, non researched information, often agenda laden, information some contributors have suggested. Nothing about Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome has been proven with national research beyond one physician opinion or theory. Patients obtain very poor information and make extremely invasive medical decisions based of this agenda laden article. This is a condition with extreme consequences if blatant unnecessary surgery if offered and performed for a condition in which NO clinician can actually pinpoint the location and cause, or recite the pathophysiology of Thoracic Outlet Syndrome in a manner consistent with proven national research and adequate objective diagnostic testing for upper extremity pain. We will continue to revise this article so that safe language is presented to your viewers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliehorse12345 ( talk • contribs) 23:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you JHBuk. While you acknowledge that Wikipedia does not give medical advice, indirect advice is given through this site by offering medical information in the first place. You further acknowledge that this information can be misused, however, there are no caveats to suggest to the viewer of the potential for professional medical bais and additional caveat suggesting potential harmful content. I do not think "unverified claims" is a sufficient enough warning to a mostly lay audience. In the case of Thoracic Outlet Syndrome (TOS), every article placed online is not of any national research whatsoever, as there hasn't been any to date, just continual one physician opinion and theory which can be very harmful. This would make these citations related to the pathophysiology and treatment of this condition also misleading and again, lay viewers may not understand the concept of "original" research. To include medical conditions into your database, Wikipedia must ensure that they do not indirectly promote content which may and has produce catastrophic results. Perhaps the most ethical and safest option would be to redirect your viewers to your WP Medical in which the current content for TOS is acceptable. Most of the time, it is NOT in this article. Furthermore, it would be quite difficult to cite any "good referenced" literature in which national research suggested appropriate diagnostic testing and treatment options because they don't exist. Thank you for placing additional templates to this article. I also want to make clear that it is quite obvious that a pattern of professional agenda continues to develop in this article by correlating the content with previous and new citations. It is quite obvious and blantant attempts to drum up business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliehorse12345 ( talk • contribs) 12:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
During the course of doing some
WikiGnome work repairing citations, I came across a ½ dozen references from:
Mayo Clinic staff (November 6, 2010).
"Thoracic outlet syndrome".
mayoclinic.com. Rochester, MN, USA:
Mayo Clinic. Retrieved August 11, 2012. {{
cite web}}
: External link in
(
help)
|work=
I am not knowledgeable in this area, & I am hoping that someone who is can weave these additional citations into the article.
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