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"Holbech House" is normally spelled as "Holbeach House". It is on the borders between Staffordshire and Warwickshire, on the Warwickshire side.
Enjoy Warwickshire: Warwickshire and the gunpowder plot
I've removed the following text from the article, not because I doubt its authenticity, but because I can't find any mention of it in more modern sources (beyond vague mentions of his unpopularity in his role at Alnwick). I can't even find it in the online versions of the source it claims to come from:
In 1602 he was accused of several misdemeanours involving mismanagement or embezzlement of his master's property: *{{cquote|…there was a bell carryed out of [[Warkworth Castle|Warkworth castle]] and sold by Sir John Ladyman, Mr. Percye’s deputie, to a Scottishman for £10, and a token sent by Mr. Percye to one Henrye Finch to carrye the bell to the Scottishman’s ship at Almouth.}} And bribery: *{{cquote|John Wilkinson of Over Busdon says that Mr. Percy had £30 for his farmhold, being but 18s. of ancient rent, besides £4 he gave to Sir John Ladyman and Gabriel Ogle for procuring the bargain at Mr. Percy’s hands.<ref>Informations against Mr. Thomas Percy for divers misdemeanours with his justifications of himself, 1602. ''Annals of the House of Percy, ii. p. 591''</ref>}}
Can anyone help? Parrot of Doom 11:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
It's where it says it is: [2]. Please reinstate, or justify deleting referenced quotations. Thanks. Nick Michael ( talk) 13:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I'm away and offline for a week, so expect to see a finished and brilliant article on my return! It's certainly going that way... Nick Michael ( talk) 03:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
The article is excellent, very comprehensive and engaging. I imagine it's not a long way from FA. Just a few minor nitpicks and feel free to argue about them.
These are so slight, I won't bother to put it on hold straight away as I imagine they can be fixed really quickly. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
For the sake of grammar I changed "whom he supposed had reneged" to "who he supposed had reneged" . "Who" is the subject of "had reneged". You can write "whom he supposed to have reneged" but you can't really write the phrase as it stands. Very nit-picking, I know, but this is an encyclopaedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Campolongo ( talk • contribs) 09:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I find the title awkward, because "Gunpowder Plot" is an event rather than an occupation or some other similar word which describes a person. May I suggest Thomas Percy (conspirator)? Several other biographies use that form, such as Charles Paget (conspirator) and George Brooke (conspirator). Moonraker ( talk) 18:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I came across this article when it was linked to the Holidays and Observances for August 22, which seemed strange. Turns out, another related and rebellious Thomas Percy died on that day when this Thomas Percy was 12, so I fixed the link and recommended its H&O deletion, which swiftly occurred. I also tried to revise this article twice, and both my edits were reversed by Nikkimaria, a Canadian editor, presumably because of its FA status, which I believe unwarranted, having reviewed the only easy online link, to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article. That is much better written and reasoned, IMHO, despite the lengthy bibliography here. I have no desire to engage in an edit war, and know that English martyrs of this religious wars period may be a sore spot with some Catholics a century plus after the other Thomas Percy's beautification (with an odd November feast day), and that some Anglo- or military historians may well be more obsessed with the Gunpowder Plot and Guy Fawkes day than I. Still, IMHO this article needs a heavy copyedit in its lede and "Life Before 1604" section, which cite the OAB article by Nicholls 13 times, more than the cites to the 2005 anniversary books/folios by Frazer, Haynes, Sharpe and Tesimond combined. The mention that this Percy converted to Catholicism (rather than having been a closet "papist" all his life) doesn't have a date nor citation here. It may arise from the near-hagiography on page 58 of the John Gerard 1871 book, although only the previous page is quoted and cited in both those sections. For whatever its worth, that dated bio also might have caused the liturgical commemoration mess with the other man two decades later. But more work is needed to these sections for this article to deserve GA much less FA status. Jweaver28 ( talk) 22:08, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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"Holbech House" is normally spelled as "Holbeach House". It is on the borders between Staffordshire and Warwickshire, on the Warwickshire side.
Enjoy Warwickshire: Warwickshire and the gunpowder plot
I've removed the following text from the article, not because I doubt its authenticity, but because I can't find any mention of it in more modern sources (beyond vague mentions of his unpopularity in his role at Alnwick). I can't even find it in the online versions of the source it claims to come from:
In 1602 he was accused of several misdemeanours involving mismanagement or embezzlement of his master's property: *{{cquote|…there was a bell carryed out of [[Warkworth Castle|Warkworth castle]] and sold by Sir John Ladyman, Mr. Percye’s deputie, to a Scottishman for £10, and a token sent by Mr. Percye to one Henrye Finch to carrye the bell to the Scottishman’s ship at Almouth.}} And bribery: *{{cquote|John Wilkinson of Over Busdon says that Mr. Percy had £30 for his farmhold, being but 18s. of ancient rent, besides £4 he gave to Sir John Ladyman and Gabriel Ogle for procuring the bargain at Mr. Percy’s hands.<ref>Informations against Mr. Thomas Percy for divers misdemeanours with his justifications of himself, 1602. ''Annals of the House of Percy, ii. p. 591''</ref>}}
Can anyone help? Parrot of Doom 11:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
It's where it says it is: [2]. Please reinstate, or justify deleting referenced quotations. Thanks. Nick Michael ( talk) 13:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I'm away and offline for a week, so expect to see a finished and brilliant article on my return! It's certainly going that way... Nick Michael ( talk) 03:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
The article is excellent, very comprehensive and engaging. I imagine it's not a long way from FA. Just a few minor nitpicks and feel free to argue about them.
These are so slight, I won't bother to put it on hold straight away as I imagine they can be fixed really quickly. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
For the sake of grammar I changed "whom he supposed had reneged" to "who he supposed had reneged" . "Who" is the subject of "had reneged". You can write "whom he supposed to have reneged" but you can't really write the phrase as it stands. Very nit-picking, I know, but this is an encyclopaedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Campolongo ( talk • contribs) 09:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
I find the title awkward, because "Gunpowder Plot" is an event rather than an occupation or some other similar word which describes a person. May I suggest Thomas Percy (conspirator)? Several other biographies use that form, such as Charles Paget (conspirator) and George Brooke (conspirator). Moonraker ( talk) 18:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I came across this article when it was linked to the Holidays and Observances for August 22, which seemed strange. Turns out, another related and rebellious Thomas Percy died on that day when this Thomas Percy was 12, so I fixed the link and recommended its H&O deletion, which swiftly occurred. I also tried to revise this article twice, and both my edits were reversed by Nikkimaria, a Canadian editor, presumably because of its FA status, which I believe unwarranted, having reviewed the only easy online link, to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article. That is much better written and reasoned, IMHO, despite the lengthy bibliography here. I have no desire to engage in an edit war, and know that English martyrs of this religious wars period may be a sore spot with some Catholics a century plus after the other Thomas Percy's beautification (with an odd November feast day), and that some Anglo- or military historians may well be more obsessed with the Gunpowder Plot and Guy Fawkes day than I. Still, IMHO this article needs a heavy copyedit in its lede and "Life Before 1604" section, which cite the OAB article by Nicholls 13 times, more than the cites to the 2005 anniversary books/folios by Frazer, Haynes, Sharpe and Tesimond combined. The mention that this Percy converted to Catholicism (rather than having been a closet "papist" all his life) doesn't have a date nor citation here. It may arise from the near-hagiography on page 58 of the John Gerard 1871 book, although only the previous page is quoted and cited in both those sections. For whatever its worth, that dated bio also might have caused the liturgical commemoration mess with the other man two decades later. But more work is needed to these sections for this article to deserve GA much less FA status. Jweaver28 ( talk) 22:08, 26 August 2020 (UTC)