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According to Michael Mott's biography, "The Seven Mountains of Thomas Merton," Merton fathered a child while he was a student at Cambridge. There was some threat of legal action, and a settlement was made. Although there is a tradition that Merton's child and his mother were killed in the London blitz, Merton himself evidently did not believe this. He discreetly provided for his son in his will, "if the person can be contacted." Younggoldchip ( talk) 20:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
While he clearly had an interest in Eastern religions, this section seems slanted toward pushing Buddhism in general and Zen in particular. The sources cited don't establish the primacy of Zen among his interests, which the text here states. Elsewhere I've read that his abridged version of the Chuang Tzu, a Taoist classic, was his favorite book among the 70 he wrote. We should rewrite this section more closely to the sources. Msalt ( talk) 07:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
I was reading this article, and I came across a phrase that I did not think contained the right tone for the article, and I wanted to ask others what they thought before I changed it. It is in the section headed "Early Life". It is in the third sentence of the third paragraph. We read that Merton's father fell in love with Evelyn Scott, who was married to someone else. Then we read, "Merton never quite hit it off with Evelyn Scott". I thought "hit it off" was inappropriate for two reasons: 1) in 1922, Merton was seven years old. I think "hit it off" is used more for adult relationships, or at least for peers, not for a seven-year-old and an adult woman friend of his father's. 2) I also think the phrase "hit it off" is just a bit too informal for this article.
I would like to change it to something like, "Merton never quite warmed to Evelyn Scott," or "Merton never came to like Evelyn Scott," or "Merton never felt comfortable with Evelyn Scott." Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. CorinneSD ( talk) 14:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
In the second paragraph in the section "France 1926", there is a note "Disambiguation needed" for Murat. I wondered why disambiguation was needed since there was a phrase right after it in parentheses saying "in the Auvergne". When I clicked on the link at "Murat", I saw a long list of items. However, only two of them were towns in France. The problem is that there are two towns named Murat in France, and both are in the Auvergne region. I did a little research on-line and saw that Murat in the department of Alliers is a small village, with a population of 274 in 2007, and Murat in the department of Cantal is a town, known as the City of Murat, with a population of 2,053 in 2007, both according to Map-France.com; according to France-Voyage.com in Nov. 2013, Murat in Cantal has a population of 2,153. The second Murat, the one in Cantal, is full of historical buildings. Just judging from the size of the town, I would guess that the Murat mentioned in the second paragraph in the section "France 1926" is the one in the department of Cantal. However, that is just a guess. Maybe someone who knows more about Merton's life can determine which is the correct Murat and perhaps even supply a reference. – CorinneSD ( talk) 21:37, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
How can Merton be an " Anglo-American" as described? Now changed to simply "American", but even that is perhaps not accurate enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwirad ( talk • contribs) 03:31, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
The last sentence in the section "Rome 1933" reads:
There is some ambiguity in the last part of this sentence. In the clause beginning "although", a contrast is described between the characteristic silence of Trappist monks and Merton's outspokenness ("was always very vocal").
I really do not know what was meant. Perhaps someone who knows about Merton could make the minor edits that would clarify this sentence. I think the problem is the choice of words. I think "was always very vocal" needs to be changed to something more precise. – CorinneSD ( talk) 16:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Under "Early Life," I removed Merton using the "Bermuda Triangle" as a phrase to describe his father, Evelyn Scott, and Scott’s husband. As it was written, it was unclear whether Merton’s comment referred to those three people or to France, Italy, and England, or to those three places and Algeria. For a source, I couldn’t find anything except thefamouspeople.com -- GoldCoastPrior ( talk) 14:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Merton later half-jokingly referred to them as the "Bermuda Triangle". citation needed.
— Previous version of the article
I would clarify what "quiet pacifism" means, cite it, and elaborate on his views about it. Merely stating that he wrote about it may leave the impression that he espoused it. I have read that while Merton was sympathetic with pacifism, he still rejected it—albeit formally and academically—once stating that "a community has the right to defend itself by force if other means do not avail" (Thomas Merton On Peace, 1971 p. xix). Londonjackbooks ( talk) 19:59, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Note: He is categorized as an American Christian pacifist. Londonjackbooks ( talk) 20:38, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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According to Michael Mott's biography, "The Seven Mountains of Thomas Merton," Merton fathered a child while he was a student at Cambridge. There was some threat of legal action, and a settlement was made. Although there is a tradition that Merton's child and his mother were killed in the London blitz, Merton himself evidently did not believe this. He discreetly provided for his son in his will, "if the person can be contacted." Younggoldchip ( talk) 20:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
While he clearly had an interest in Eastern religions, this section seems slanted toward pushing Buddhism in general and Zen in particular. The sources cited don't establish the primacy of Zen among his interests, which the text here states. Elsewhere I've read that his abridged version of the Chuang Tzu, a Taoist classic, was his favorite book among the 70 he wrote. We should rewrite this section more closely to the sources. Msalt ( talk) 07:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
I was reading this article, and I came across a phrase that I did not think contained the right tone for the article, and I wanted to ask others what they thought before I changed it. It is in the section headed "Early Life". It is in the third sentence of the third paragraph. We read that Merton's father fell in love with Evelyn Scott, who was married to someone else. Then we read, "Merton never quite hit it off with Evelyn Scott". I thought "hit it off" was inappropriate for two reasons: 1) in 1922, Merton was seven years old. I think "hit it off" is used more for adult relationships, or at least for peers, not for a seven-year-old and an adult woman friend of his father's. 2) I also think the phrase "hit it off" is just a bit too informal for this article.
I would like to change it to something like, "Merton never quite warmed to Evelyn Scott," or "Merton never came to like Evelyn Scott," or "Merton never felt comfortable with Evelyn Scott." Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. CorinneSD ( talk) 14:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
In the second paragraph in the section "France 1926", there is a note "Disambiguation needed" for Murat. I wondered why disambiguation was needed since there was a phrase right after it in parentheses saying "in the Auvergne". When I clicked on the link at "Murat", I saw a long list of items. However, only two of them were towns in France. The problem is that there are two towns named Murat in France, and both are in the Auvergne region. I did a little research on-line and saw that Murat in the department of Alliers is a small village, with a population of 274 in 2007, and Murat in the department of Cantal is a town, known as the City of Murat, with a population of 2,053 in 2007, both according to Map-France.com; according to France-Voyage.com in Nov. 2013, Murat in Cantal has a population of 2,153. The second Murat, the one in Cantal, is full of historical buildings. Just judging from the size of the town, I would guess that the Murat mentioned in the second paragraph in the section "France 1926" is the one in the department of Cantal. However, that is just a guess. Maybe someone who knows more about Merton's life can determine which is the correct Murat and perhaps even supply a reference. – CorinneSD ( talk) 21:37, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
How can Merton be an " Anglo-American" as described? Now changed to simply "American", but even that is perhaps not accurate enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwirad ( talk • contribs) 03:31, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
The last sentence in the section "Rome 1933" reads:
There is some ambiguity in the last part of this sentence. In the clause beginning "although", a contrast is described between the characteristic silence of Trappist monks and Merton's outspokenness ("was always very vocal").
I really do not know what was meant. Perhaps someone who knows about Merton could make the minor edits that would clarify this sentence. I think the problem is the choice of words. I think "was always very vocal" needs to be changed to something more precise. – CorinneSD ( talk) 16:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Under "Early Life," I removed Merton using the "Bermuda Triangle" as a phrase to describe his father, Evelyn Scott, and Scott’s husband. As it was written, it was unclear whether Merton’s comment referred to those three people or to France, Italy, and England, or to those three places and Algeria. For a source, I couldn’t find anything except thefamouspeople.com -- GoldCoastPrior ( talk) 14:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Merton later half-jokingly referred to them as the "Bermuda Triangle". citation needed.
— Previous version of the article
I would clarify what "quiet pacifism" means, cite it, and elaborate on his views about it. Merely stating that he wrote about it may leave the impression that he espoused it. I have read that while Merton was sympathetic with pacifism, he still rejected it—albeit formally and academically—once stating that "a community has the right to defend itself by force if other means do not avail" (Thomas Merton On Peace, 1971 p. xix). Londonjackbooks ( talk) 19:59, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Note: He is categorized as an American Christian pacifist. Londonjackbooks ( talk) 20:38, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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