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WillC added:
I don't know if that is a good indication that he is necessarily seeking higher office.. anyway, if anyone can find the reference where Davis was talking about his desire to advance to George Allen's Senate seat if Allen wins the Presidency in 2008, please add that link. I know that it was a 2005 interview. It may have been exclusive to the DC Examiner. Thanks, 24.54.208.177 19:03, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I did not know that Tom Davis opposed the legalization of abortion.
Acham, you made a lot of changes. I am questioning many of them.
One might conclude that you are attempting to insert a negative POV here. A more neutral article would be much better. -- Sholom 13:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Look, as I said before, I'm not even a Davis supporter, I've voted against him. But let's be fair, and WP should be NPOV -- Sholom 16:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
During his service as Board Chairman, he was financed heavily by develpers in rapidly-growing Northern Virginia. Recognizing his ability to raise funds from lobbyists, Davis was named Chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee from 1998 to 2002.
Despite an admitted transportation crisis in Northern Virginia with some of nation's worst traffic, Davis has received a 93-100% approval rating from developers who benefit from the congestion,
For redistricting, areas of Prince William County were added to the district joining the remaining Fairfax County portions. Despite the Repblican-friendly redistricting of the 11th Congressional District in his favor, voters of his new district continue to move toward the Democratic Party.
Davis is head of the Government Reform Committtee, which despite the scandals involving Abu Garib prison, WMDs, Jack Abramoff, and Hurricane Katrina, has issued no subpeonas for these investigations.
Davis supported the Terri Schiavo legislation to "subpeona" the brain-dead Mrs. Schiavo over her husband's objections.
Why did you remove references to Davis' involvement in getting funding for the Wilson Bridge? Or his work on the DC College Access Act?
You don't need 13 links in space of two sentences to vote-smart
I see no support that he "generally favors" Federal workers.
Is there a bill number? I think he won because he raises so much money* he scares off competition, not because he is a supporter of Federal employees. For example, there are pending bills to protect Federal Workers from political censorship, including HR. 839, an Act to Restore Scientific Integrity to Federal Research and Policy Making, which has 73 co-sponsors. Tom Davis is not one of them. The CIA is in McLean, VA, in this District. Davis is chair of the oversight committee and he never issued any subpeonas on the Valarie Plame leak. From: Washington Post, Sunday, 12/18/05; Page A07 The House Government Reform committee issued 1,052 subpoenas to probe alleged misconduct by the Clinton administration and the NDC, 1997-2002, at a cost of more than $35 million. By contrast, under Davis it issued three subpoenas to the Bush administration, two to the Energy Dept over nuclear waste disposal at Yucca Mountain, and one 12/05 to the Defense Department over Katrina documents." EPA has been prohibited from using allocated funds to enforce certain Clean Air regulations. The military has inadequate armor. Where is Davis on these issues? I see no white knight for Federal workers here.
he's been a relentless supporter of higher pay for federal workers: "National Active and Retired Federal Employees Association (NARFE) President Charles L. Fallis today praised the House Government Reform Committee, especially Chairman Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA), for favorably reporting legislation that would allow federal and military retirees to pay their health insurance premiums with pre-tax earnings."
[5], "Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests."
[6], "ENACTMENT OF OVERTIME PAY CAP INCREASE FOR MANAGERS – Congress passed the fiscal 2004 National Defense Authorization Act (H.R. 1588), and President Bush subsequently signed the legislation into law on November 25, 2003. Sec. 1121 of H.R. 1588, drafted by House Government Reform Committee Chairman Tom Davis (R-VA), modifies the overtime pay cap for Federal managers and supervisors."
[7]; "Congress approved a 3.1 percent average annual pay raise for federal civilian employees... During an earlier committee mark-up on June 21, 2005, the House Appropriations Committee approved an amendment offered by Representatives Steny Hoyer (D-MD), Frank Wolf (R-VA), and Jim Moran (D-VA) to increase the average annual pay raise for federal civilian employees to 3.1 percent in order to maintain parity with their military counterparts."
[8];
John Broughton's edits did a fine job of leveling everything out and making much of his very long discussion mostly obsolete. I will add anything contrary as per NPOV policies. Detractors would note his failure to take strong action as head of the House Government Reform Committee on the leak of Valerie Plame, an undercover agent in the CIA, whose headquarters are in his District. He is not one of the 45 cosponsors of the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act H.R.3281 [13]. In the effort to limit employee bargaining, especially in Department of Homeland Security[ [14]], his response has been cautious [15] or he has not participated in efforts by other local politicians such as Chris Van Hollen to maintain employee bargaining rights. [16]. Also Davis is not one of the 93 co-sponsors of H.R.398, an Act that would provide for full voting representation in Congress for the citizens of the District of Columbia [17] Always glad to know someone who knows what goes on in their District. Sorry you missed the jurisdiction of Davis' Committee and all the fuss over the Schiavo subpeona. I hope you found the new information interesting. Acham 02:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Acham 01:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)A
There was no term limit promise. Davis doesn't make promises or committments unless it is in favor of himself. The legislative piece the label at the top of the talk page is refering too was one that Davis signed as a political stunt. He knew very well when he signed it that it would not pass nor did he want it to pass. And as he predicted, it failed. I am removing the tag. DTfromDC 23:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
To respond to an earlier post... yes, the redistricting was all planned out. Davis, Moran, and Wolf sat down together and dealt out what they wanted. It was all planned to be in favor of the incumbent. It just so happens to be that at that time,JM, Tom Davis' current wife, was in the VA House in Richmond and was in charge of the bill that dealt out districts and the maps. It was all planned. DTfromDC 23:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Sholom sent me this note on my talk page:
My impression is the same. The article was riddled with empty partisan talking points that offered no context at all. Please note my edit summaries. BTW, thanks, Sholom, for the note.
I made handful of edits in an attempt to NPOV the article. 172 | Talk 20:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I have some trouble with your changes because you took out the recent incidents I added to support the recent changes in positions by Davis, but you left in the arguably pro-Davis information I added at Sholom's request for balance. If the recent info I added is POV, then so must be the list to offset it that Sholom asked for. I was negotiating with Sholom and considering everything he said, although not fast enough for him, I guess. It'll be good to have your outside opinion. Let's discuss so this doesn't become an editing war.
Also, no one is pro-abortion like they can be pro-environment, unless you know some activists who are chaining themselves to pregnant women as if they were trees and begging them to try out an abortion clinic. People are for abortion rights or against it.
The Schiavo subpeona continues to be important information. Also, without information connecting Davis's tenure on a Board with its ranking, there is no reason to include it. Your source is not firsthand but is the "Design-Build Institute" quoting City and State magazine in a piece of lobbying information.
Sholom, You argued with me a time you made changes to the Davis page that a 15-year-old recognition of Fairfax county was worthy of the Tom Davis page because he was Chairman of the Board of Supervisors -- although not the Executive - of Fairfax County. I relented and left it in, although nothing suggests Davis deserved credit for the recognition.
Now you remove current news about criminal activity and conflict of interest in a controversy raised in a minority report of a committee that he chairs.
I fail to see how this information is not relevant and properly included. Please explain. Proposed insertion:
Davis is head of the House Government Reform Committee, which is the chief investigative and oversight committee of the House, and which has been granted broad jurisdiction. [18] Among notable recent controversies involving the Committee under Davis was in the Terri Schiavo case. The committee subpoena, signed by Davis, ordered the appearance of Schiavo, her husband, Michael, and her doctors. The subpoenas specified that the witnesses bring to the hearing "all medical and other equipment that provides nutrition and hydration ... in its current and continuing state of operations." Davis issued a joint statement with House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (R-Illinois) that stated: "This inquiry should give hope to Terri, her parents and friends, and the millions of people throughout the world who are praying for her safety. This fight is not over." [19] [20] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acham ( talk • contribs)
Wikip policy says nothing about requiring sources for "opponents," and I followed its model. As long as the web is buzzing with the news I see no reason to pick one site as an example. For you, I limited to 3 reputable sites, including the Hill paper. For Davis fans I can see a need to rationalize a single subpeona after years of critical minority reports, criminal indictments, and convictions, and the fact that the Reform Committee was shamed by the 370+page INDIAN AFFIARS report that shows 50 +persons and 37+ sham organizations created to hide contributions, including some to Davis himself. Indian Affairs has no jurisdiction over this matter, so the fact that Davis let the Abramoff corruption continue is no excuse for holding off. Moreover, I am not persuaded by the fact that Davis refused requests to put the subject on the Committee agenda for 4 years while baseball and Shiavo got plenty of Committee time - both subjects do not fall under the core responsibilities of the committee that is supposed to oversee integrity of Agencies and Executive Branch officials. Davis finally puts it on the agenda when polls show his party's electability is under 50% due to corruption well, it's not very complelling. If you want to balance the Controversy section with a section on all the wonderful work the Committee has done under Davis, I'll write that. Let's see, I can cover the multi-million dollar investigation into whether people who got Clinton XMas cards were also solicited for donations. Not a single indictment came from that. Or how he threatened MLB that if they sold the Washington Nationals to a Democrat he would abuse his position on the Committee to investigate baseball's monopoly exemption. MLB sold the team to a donor of Davis instead. Or how his staff was found to have taken more luxurious trips paid for by lobbyists and private interests than any other Representative, and he suggested it was because his Committee staff were taking investigatory tips -- to Italy. Maybe there isn't anything to balance it out. Acham 03:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Acham 03:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Acham, 70.187.212.137 (same person?), and/or others: since I stopped engaging in this article, the article has really gotten out of hand. To wit: as of this writing, there is a section entitled: "Abuse of Position on Reform Committee". That is nowhere near "letting the facts speak for themselves." There is a section called "Other controversies", which contiains in it a single sentence, which is a vague, unsupported allegation with no citation. Material has been restored on which I have other complaints that I made earlier (taking positions out of context, etc.). I have been too busy to engage much on this article (and will continue to be busy through the election), but, rest assured, my plans are to be back in a serious way come Nov or Dec, to make this article more fair and less biased. -- Sholom 16:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Let me start with a small simple one. You have entire section called "Major League Baseball Team in Washington", and you have a single sentence: "Davis threatened Major League Baseball with an investigation when a Democrat offered to buy the Washington Nationals." This is misleading, biased, and inaccurate, for a number of reasons:
-- Sholom 16:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Please keep an eye out for the return of the copyvio of http://tomdavis.house.gov/davis_contents/about/ or other attempts to replace the encyclopedic content with verbiage from the subject's official web site. -- Phuongj 03:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Chap Petersen announced today he would run the VA State Senate against Davis wife Jeannemarie Devolities Davis. Husband Tom Davis already has reportedly taken steps to influence nearby races that would affect turn out. It will be a tough race. Please keep an eye out for return of her husband's staffers and her own to remove the encyclopedic content or replace it with words from the one of the couple's official web sites. Acham 04:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
There is so much political information in here that is biased that there is hardly any value to this article anymore. I belive the purpose of this article was intended to be a biography containing information so that someone could reuse this information for research purposes;however, it is so saturated with partisan politics that I belive that was not accomplished. It used to be a decent article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.66.92.78 ( talk) 04:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
Please sign your posts; don't you want to be associated with your work? I'm not sure why "political information" would be out of place in a "political biography." Speaking of partisanship, you keep forgetting to add the Boston Globe and Washington Post's coverage of the partisan ineffectiveness of Davis himself.
Post here:and here
Acham 04:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Are Davis' comments about "Barrack" (as he spells it) Obama relevant in his article? Has anyone given this any thought or research? Fdssdf ( talk) 16:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
There's a tag that proof has to be provided that Davis is an anti-illegal immigration activist. The article just mentions that he was "opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants". This article, called Representative Thomas Davis record on immigration reform and illegal aliens, summarizes "Overall, Representative Thomas Davis has a moderate record when it comes to immigration reform".
It would seem clear that this proves that he is anti-illegal immigration. The question seems to be whether he is also an activist. I have not found any evidence (using Google) that he made any special efforts in connection with this opinion, besides his work in the House.
Is this called an activist or no? Debresser (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
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Also, there are ~148k google search results for "Tom Davis" +Virginia Congressman, in contrast to ~140k for "Thomas M. Davis" + Virginia Congressman. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 20:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 13:35, 9 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 19:27, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
There could be the case for making this the primary article in the Tom Davis namespace. I'm looking at the people whose articles are "Tom Davis" in the Thomas Davis dab page, and I think the congressman is the most influential person by the name "Tom Davis" due to his decade plus in the US Congress including four years as committee chair. Furthermore, could Tom Davis (Cook Islands politician) be moved to Thomas Davis (Cook Islands politician), as Encyclopedia Brittanica uses "Thomas", in addition to the New Zealand Herald [26]. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 19:53, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
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– Move both per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:INITS. In my failed move request for Thomas M. Davis from 1 October 2017, I provided evidence establishing that Thomas M. Davis the former US congressman is most commonly known as "Tom Davis". For instance, a 2008 New York Times Magazine profile of Davis was titled, " Tom Davis gives up." Most recently, an interview with him on the November 8, 2017 All Things Considered radio show addressed him as Tom Davis [27]. These follow the standard of his Congressional website and campaign website using "Tom Davis".
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WillC added:
I don't know if that is a good indication that he is necessarily seeking higher office.. anyway, if anyone can find the reference where Davis was talking about his desire to advance to George Allen's Senate seat if Allen wins the Presidency in 2008, please add that link. I know that it was a 2005 interview. It may have been exclusive to the DC Examiner. Thanks, 24.54.208.177 19:03, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I did not know that Tom Davis opposed the legalization of abortion.
Acham, you made a lot of changes. I am questioning many of them.
One might conclude that you are attempting to insert a negative POV here. A more neutral article would be much better. -- Sholom 13:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Look, as I said before, I'm not even a Davis supporter, I've voted against him. But let's be fair, and WP should be NPOV -- Sholom 16:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
During his service as Board Chairman, he was financed heavily by develpers in rapidly-growing Northern Virginia. Recognizing his ability to raise funds from lobbyists, Davis was named Chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee from 1998 to 2002.
Despite an admitted transportation crisis in Northern Virginia with some of nation's worst traffic, Davis has received a 93-100% approval rating from developers who benefit from the congestion,
For redistricting, areas of Prince William County were added to the district joining the remaining Fairfax County portions. Despite the Repblican-friendly redistricting of the 11th Congressional District in his favor, voters of his new district continue to move toward the Democratic Party.
Davis is head of the Government Reform Committtee, which despite the scandals involving Abu Garib prison, WMDs, Jack Abramoff, and Hurricane Katrina, has issued no subpeonas for these investigations.
Davis supported the Terri Schiavo legislation to "subpeona" the brain-dead Mrs. Schiavo over her husband's objections.
Why did you remove references to Davis' involvement in getting funding for the Wilson Bridge? Or his work on the DC College Access Act?
You don't need 13 links in space of two sentences to vote-smart
I see no support that he "generally favors" Federal workers.
Is there a bill number? I think he won because he raises so much money* he scares off competition, not because he is a supporter of Federal employees. For example, there are pending bills to protect Federal Workers from political censorship, including HR. 839, an Act to Restore Scientific Integrity to Federal Research and Policy Making, which has 73 co-sponsors. Tom Davis is not one of them. The CIA is in McLean, VA, in this District. Davis is chair of the oversight committee and he never issued any subpeonas on the Valarie Plame leak. From: Washington Post, Sunday, 12/18/05; Page A07 The House Government Reform committee issued 1,052 subpoenas to probe alleged misconduct by the Clinton administration and the NDC, 1997-2002, at a cost of more than $35 million. By contrast, under Davis it issued three subpoenas to the Bush administration, two to the Energy Dept over nuclear waste disposal at Yucca Mountain, and one 12/05 to the Defense Department over Katrina documents." EPA has been prohibited from using allocated funds to enforce certain Clean Air regulations. The military has inadequate armor. Where is Davis on these issues? I see no white knight for Federal workers here.
he's been a relentless supporter of higher pay for federal workers: "National Active and Retired Federal Employees Association (NARFE) President Charles L. Fallis today praised the House Government Reform Committee, especially Chairman Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA), for favorably reporting legislation that would allow federal and military retirees to pay their health insurance premiums with pre-tax earnings."
[5], "Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests."
[6], "ENACTMENT OF OVERTIME PAY CAP INCREASE FOR MANAGERS – Congress passed the fiscal 2004 National Defense Authorization Act (H.R. 1588), and President Bush subsequently signed the legislation into law on November 25, 2003. Sec. 1121 of H.R. 1588, drafted by House Government Reform Committee Chairman Tom Davis (R-VA), modifies the overtime pay cap for Federal managers and supervisors."
[7]; "Congress approved a 3.1 percent average annual pay raise for federal civilian employees... During an earlier committee mark-up on June 21, 2005, the House Appropriations Committee approved an amendment offered by Representatives Steny Hoyer (D-MD), Frank Wolf (R-VA), and Jim Moran (D-VA) to increase the average annual pay raise for federal civilian employees to 3.1 percent in order to maintain parity with their military counterparts."
[8];
John Broughton's edits did a fine job of leveling everything out and making much of his very long discussion mostly obsolete. I will add anything contrary as per NPOV policies. Detractors would note his failure to take strong action as head of the House Government Reform Committee on the leak of Valerie Plame, an undercover agent in the CIA, whose headquarters are in his District. He is not one of the 45 cosponsors of the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act H.R.3281 [13]. In the effort to limit employee bargaining, especially in Department of Homeland Security[ [14]], his response has been cautious [15] or he has not participated in efforts by other local politicians such as Chris Van Hollen to maintain employee bargaining rights. [16]. Also Davis is not one of the 93 co-sponsors of H.R.398, an Act that would provide for full voting representation in Congress for the citizens of the District of Columbia [17] Always glad to know someone who knows what goes on in their District. Sorry you missed the jurisdiction of Davis' Committee and all the fuss over the Schiavo subpeona. I hope you found the new information interesting. Acham 02:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Acham 01:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)A
There was no term limit promise. Davis doesn't make promises or committments unless it is in favor of himself. The legislative piece the label at the top of the talk page is refering too was one that Davis signed as a political stunt. He knew very well when he signed it that it would not pass nor did he want it to pass. And as he predicted, it failed. I am removing the tag. DTfromDC 23:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
To respond to an earlier post... yes, the redistricting was all planned out. Davis, Moran, and Wolf sat down together and dealt out what they wanted. It was all planned to be in favor of the incumbent. It just so happens to be that at that time,JM, Tom Davis' current wife, was in the VA House in Richmond and was in charge of the bill that dealt out districts and the maps. It was all planned. DTfromDC 23:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Sholom sent me this note on my talk page:
My impression is the same. The article was riddled with empty partisan talking points that offered no context at all. Please note my edit summaries. BTW, thanks, Sholom, for the note.
I made handful of edits in an attempt to NPOV the article. 172 | Talk 20:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I have some trouble with your changes because you took out the recent incidents I added to support the recent changes in positions by Davis, but you left in the arguably pro-Davis information I added at Sholom's request for balance. If the recent info I added is POV, then so must be the list to offset it that Sholom asked for. I was negotiating with Sholom and considering everything he said, although not fast enough for him, I guess. It'll be good to have your outside opinion. Let's discuss so this doesn't become an editing war.
Also, no one is pro-abortion like they can be pro-environment, unless you know some activists who are chaining themselves to pregnant women as if they were trees and begging them to try out an abortion clinic. People are for abortion rights or against it.
The Schiavo subpeona continues to be important information. Also, without information connecting Davis's tenure on a Board with its ranking, there is no reason to include it. Your source is not firsthand but is the "Design-Build Institute" quoting City and State magazine in a piece of lobbying information.
Sholom, You argued with me a time you made changes to the Davis page that a 15-year-old recognition of Fairfax county was worthy of the Tom Davis page because he was Chairman of the Board of Supervisors -- although not the Executive - of Fairfax County. I relented and left it in, although nothing suggests Davis deserved credit for the recognition.
Now you remove current news about criminal activity and conflict of interest in a controversy raised in a minority report of a committee that he chairs.
I fail to see how this information is not relevant and properly included. Please explain. Proposed insertion:
Davis is head of the House Government Reform Committee, which is the chief investigative and oversight committee of the House, and which has been granted broad jurisdiction. [18] Among notable recent controversies involving the Committee under Davis was in the Terri Schiavo case. The committee subpoena, signed by Davis, ordered the appearance of Schiavo, her husband, Michael, and her doctors. The subpoenas specified that the witnesses bring to the hearing "all medical and other equipment that provides nutrition and hydration ... in its current and continuing state of operations." Davis issued a joint statement with House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (R-Illinois) that stated: "This inquiry should give hope to Terri, her parents and friends, and the millions of people throughout the world who are praying for her safety. This fight is not over." [19] [20] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acham ( talk • contribs)
Wikip policy says nothing about requiring sources for "opponents," and I followed its model. As long as the web is buzzing with the news I see no reason to pick one site as an example. For you, I limited to 3 reputable sites, including the Hill paper. For Davis fans I can see a need to rationalize a single subpeona after years of critical minority reports, criminal indictments, and convictions, and the fact that the Reform Committee was shamed by the 370+page INDIAN AFFIARS report that shows 50 +persons and 37+ sham organizations created to hide contributions, including some to Davis himself. Indian Affairs has no jurisdiction over this matter, so the fact that Davis let the Abramoff corruption continue is no excuse for holding off. Moreover, I am not persuaded by the fact that Davis refused requests to put the subject on the Committee agenda for 4 years while baseball and Shiavo got plenty of Committee time - both subjects do not fall under the core responsibilities of the committee that is supposed to oversee integrity of Agencies and Executive Branch officials. Davis finally puts it on the agenda when polls show his party's electability is under 50% due to corruption well, it's not very complelling. If you want to balance the Controversy section with a section on all the wonderful work the Committee has done under Davis, I'll write that. Let's see, I can cover the multi-million dollar investigation into whether people who got Clinton XMas cards were also solicited for donations. Not a single indictment came from that. Or how he threatened MLB that if they sold the Washington Nationals to a Democrat he would abuse his position on the Committee to investigate baseball's monopoly exemption. MLB sold the team to a donor of Davis instead. Or how his staff was found to have taken more luxurious trips paid for by lobbyists and private interests than any other Representative, and he suggested it was because his Committee staff were taking investigatory tips -- to Italy. Maybe there isn't anything to balance it out. Acham 03:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Acham 03:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Acham, 70.187.212.137 (same person?), and/or others: since I stopped engaging in this article, the article has really gotten out of hand. To wit: as of this writing, there is a section entitled: "Abuse of Position on Reform Committee". That is nowhere near "letting the facts speak for themselves." There is a section called "Other controversies", which contiains in it a single sentence, which is a vague, unsupported allegation with no citation. Material has been restored on which I have other complaints that I made earlier (taking positions out of context, etc.). I have been too busy to engage much on this article (and will continue to be busy through the election), but, rest assured, my plans are to be back in a serious way come Nov or Dec, to make this article more fair and less biased. -- Sholom 16:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Let me start with a small simple one. You have entire section called "Major League Baseball Team in Washington", and you have a single sentence: "Davis threatened Major League Baseball with an investigation when a Democrat offered to buy the Washington Nationals." This is misleading, biased, and inaccurate, for a number of reasons:
-- Sholom 16:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Please keep an eye out for the return of the copyvio of http://tomdavis.house.gov/davis_contents/about/ or other attempts to replace the encyclopedic content with verbiage from the subject's official web site. -- Phuongj 03:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Chap Petersen announced today he would run the VA State Senate against Davis wife Jeannemarie Devolities Davis. Husband Tom Davis already has reportedly taken steps to influence nearby races that would affect turn out. It will be a tough race. Please keep an eye out for return of her husband's staffers and her own to remove the encyclopedic content or replace it with words from the one of the couple's official web sites. Acham 04:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
There is so much political information in here that is biased that there is hardly any value to this article anymore. I belive the purpose of this article was intended to be a biography containing information so that someone could reuse this information for research purposes;however, it is so saturated with partisan politics that I belive that was not accomplished. It used to be a decent article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.66.92.78 ( talk) 04:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
Please sign your posts; don't you want to be associated with your work? I'm not sure why "political information" would be out of place in a "political biography." Speaking of partisanship, you keep forgetting to add the Boston Globe and Washington Post's coverage of the partisan ineffectiveness of Davis himself.
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Acham 04:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Are Davis' comments about "Barrack" (as he spells it) Obama relevant in his article? Has anyone given this any thought or research? Fdssdf ( talk) 16:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
There's a tag that proof has to be provided that Davis is an anti-illegal immigration activist. The article just mentions that he was "opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants". This article, called Representative Thomas Davis record on immigration reform and illegal aliens, summarizes "Overall, Representative Thomas Davis has a moderate record when it comes to immigration reform".
It would seem clear that this proves that he is anti-illegal immigration. The question seems to be whether he is also an activist. I have not found any evidence (using Google) that he made any special efforts in connection with this opinion, besides his work in the House.
Is this called an activist or no? Debresser (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru ( talk) 21:59, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
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WP:COMMONNAME. Davis is more popularly known as "Tom" than "Thomas M." as shown in various sources:
Also, there are ~148k google search results for "Tom Davis" +Virginia Congressman, in contrast to ~140k for "Thomas M. Davis" + Virginia Congressman. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 20:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 13:35, 9 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 19:27, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
There could be the case for making this the primary article in the Tom Davis namespace. I'm looking at the people whose articles are "Tom Davis" in the Thomas Davis dab page, and I think the congressman is the most influential person by the name "Tom Davis" due to his decade plus in the US Congress including four years as committee chair. Furthermore, could Tom Davis (Cook Islands politician) be moved to Thomas Davis (Cook Islands politician), as Encyclopedia Brittanica uses "Thomas", in addition to the New Zealand Herald [26]. Arbor to SJ ( talk) 19:53, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Ultimately, the consensus in this discussion is clear. I think the reason this has hung around the backlog for a while is that Station1 does have a reasonable point – it is generally unfair to start a new RM for the exact same title two weeks after the old RM closes because it means people have to repeat their opinion from a fortnight ago. So while I'm going to let this one go because the arguments in support are strong and the consensus is clear, I would strongly encourage the nominator not to make such a short turn around again. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
– Move both per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:INITS. In my failed move request for Thomas M. Davis from 1 October 2017, I provided evidence establishing that Thomas M. Davis the former US congressman is most commonly known as "Tom Davis". For instance, a 2008 New York Times Magazine profile of Davis was titled, " Tom Davis gives up." Most recently, an interview with him on the November 8, 2017 All Things Considered radio show addressed him as Tom Davis [27]. These follow the standard of his Congressional website and campaign website using "Tom Davis".
Also WP:INITS as part of a Wikipedia guideline states: "Generally, use the most common format of a name used in reliable sources...Adding given names, or their abbreviations, merely for disambiguation purposes (if that format of the name is not commonly used to refer to the person) is not advised."
Other move discussions have reached similar conclusions I wish to see for this article:
I first learned of WP:INITS during the Alan Simpson discussion. I think bringing up INITS will be more persuasive than my last attempt at move discussion for this Davis article.
Also, the Cook Islands PM is most commonly known as Thomas Davis, per these authoritative sources:
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He sponsored the ridiculous post office pension bill that put them so far in the red. [1] McGruffs ( talk) 19:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)