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Did you know... that
Thomas-Morse's general plant superintendent called the company's MB-4mail plane "the worst thing on wings"?
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There's a photographic image of this aircraft at [
Aviastar]. Could this be used for the article? --
TraceyR (
talk) 17:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Aviastar is a notorious copyvio site - see
Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/Aviastar, an d we should be very wary about using that site as a source for anything. Note, however, that the photos in the (1920) Flight article used as a reference, as they were published pre-1923, are probably public domain in the US - see
[1] and
[2]. As such, they should be OK to upload on en:wiki.
Nigel Ish (
talk) 17:22, 19 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the clarification Nigel. Just a thought though: Since the aircraft (probably) didn't survive beyond 1923, all images should be in the public domain by now, even if Aviastar was to have pinched 'its' image from elsewhere without attribution. The image in Flight is a side view, which rather defeats the object for this aircraft! --
TraceyR (
talk) 07:06, 20 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Since we don't know where Aviastar got the photos from, we cannot be sure as to when they were first PUBLISHED, which is key to pd-us. The Flight articles have a definite publication date and so are safe. While the article used as a reference has only the one side view, the Flight article used as an external link has two photos, that better show the layout of this peculiar aircraft.
Nigel Ish (
talk) 07:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)reply
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Thomas-Morse MB-4 article. This is
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A fact from Thomas-Morse MB-4 appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 January 2011 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that
Thomas-Morse's general plant superintendent called the company's MB-4mail plane "the worst thing on wings"?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the
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This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
There's a photographic image of this aircraft at [
Aviastar]. Could this be used for the article? --
TraceyR (
talk) 17:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Aviastar is a notorious copyvio site - see
Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/Aviastar, an d we should be very wary about using that site as a source for anything. Note, however, that the photos in the (1920) Flight article used as a reference, as they were published pre-1923, are probably public domain in the US - see
[1] and
[2]. As such, they should be OK to upload on en:wiki.
Nigel Ish (
talk) 17:22, 19 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the clarification Nigel. Just a thought though: Since the aircraft (probably) didn't survive beyond 1923, all images should be in the public domain by now, even if Aviastar was to have pinched 'its' image from elsewhere without attribution. The image in Flight is a side view, which rather defeats the object for this aircraft! --
TraceyR (
talk) 07:06, 20 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Since we don't know where Aviastar got the photos from, we cannot be sure as to when they were first PUBLISHED, which is key to pd-us. The Flight articles have a definite publication date and so are safe. While the article used as a reference has only the one side view, the Flight article used as an external link has two photos, that better show the layout of this peculiar aircraft.
Nigel Ish (
talk) 07:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)reply