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The result of the move request was: not moved, no consensus to move -- JHunterJ ( talk) 11:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
– I'm having a dispute with my fellow creator of these articles whether the names' should have a capital "R", a lower-case "r" or each should be "Zhuge Dan Rebellion", etc. Am I not correct that the correct title would be "Zhuge Dan's Rebellion", etc? --Relisted UtherSRG (talk) 13:53, 31 March 2012 (UTC) Eric 00:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
"Zhuge Dan Rebellion". Now, if it was edited with correction it would become "Zhuge Dan's Rebellion". And Records of Three Kingdoms had abstracts used in the notes for Moss Roberts' Three Kingdoms in Vol. 4, mentioning "Zhuge Dan's Rebellion". It was also translated in both the notes and story using the title "Zhuge Dan's Rebellion". Three Kingdoms is the English Translation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms written by Luo Guanzhong. I find it an insult that you would start to accuse me of not having sources in a discussion. I'm trying to hold a professional matter in this debate, fellow. -- Eric 01:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 ( talk • contribs)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AoZ8mEH3j776D0L1w8NCedbty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20120325084922AAQec2L -I will gather some more sources. But this says that "'s" doesn't imply anything in Zhuge Dan's Rebellion but it DOES apply. If we said "Zhuge Dan Rebellion", that uses Zhuge Dan as an adjective and Zhuge Dan is a noun, so the title right now is implying this rebellion is an adverb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
More examples of this:
-- 72.230.208.18 ( talk) 19:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
A noun can always be under possession of a person's name. A rebellion in this case, is an idea. A noun is a person, place, thing, or idea. -- Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 20:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This has been sent to the WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard by Kamek98 ( talk · contribs), see Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Wang_Ling_Rebellion.2C_Guanqiu_Jian_and_Wen_Qin_Rebellion.2C_Zhuge_Dan_Rebellion -- 70.24.244.198 ( talk) 01:40, 2 April 2012 (UTC) |
– How about this? -- Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 16:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Number 5 7 13:28, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
– Explanation below. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
A few years back when the first RM was made (and when I was young and reckless, although I still am––just less now) an IP said that using Zhuge Dan Rebellion, for example, is what is preferred over possessive. Although that understandable to fluent English speakers such as myself it is a faux pas in the English language. The actual preference is definitely possessive over noun adjunct. In fact, I only use attributive (I speak English as my first language and I take AP just sayin' haha) when saying things like soda can, garage sale, etc.
This still bares the question about the lower case or capital r/R. In my own opinion, not only is using a lower case r in a proper noun (because it is a historical event, such as Battle of the Bulge instead of Battle of the bulge) awkward–– but I also find it unreasonable because the most popular/frequent usage is capital. (Doesn't appear in nGrams, but it is commonly known as Wang Ling's Rebellion, etc. in the Dynasty Warriors video games, which again, are the strongest influence for the term of the rebellions) Although it shouldn't matter much because the term is collectively a proper noun. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved, no consensus to move -- JHunterJ ( talk) 11:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
– I'm having a dispute with my fellow creator of these articles whether the names' should have a capital "R", a lower-case "r" or each should be "Zhuge Dan Rebellion", etc. Am I not correct that the correct title would be "Zhuge Dan's Rebellion", etc? --Relisted UtherSRG (talk) 13:53, 31 March 2012 (UTC) Eric 00:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
"Zhuge Dan Rebellion". Now, if it was edited with correction it would become "Zhuge Dan's Rebellion". And Records of Three Kingdoms had abstracts used in the notes for Moss Roberts' Three Kingdoms in Vol. 4, mentioning "Zhuge Dan's Rebellion". It was also translated in both the notes and story using the title "Zhuge Dan's Rebellion". Three Kingdoms is the English Translation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms written by Luo Guanzhong. I find it an insult that you would start to accuse me of not having sources in a discussion. I'm trying to hold a professional matter in this debate, fellow. -- Eric 01:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 ( talk • contribs)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AoZ8mEH3j776D0L1w8NCedbty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20120325084922AAQec2L -I will gather some more sources. But this says that "'s" doesn't imply anything in Zhuge Dan's Rebellion but it DOES apply. If we said "Zhuge Dan Rebellion", that uses Zhuge Dan as an adjective and Zhuge Dan is a noun, so the title right now is implying this rebellion is an adverb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
More examples of this:
-- 72.230.208.18 ( talk) 19:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
A noun can always be under possession of a person's name. A rebellion in this case, is an idea. A noun is a person, place, thing, or idea. -- Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 20:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This has been sent to the WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard by Kamek98 ( talk · contribs), see Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Wang_Ling_Rebellion.2C_Guanqiu_Jian_and_Wen_Qin_Rebellion.2C_Zhuge_Dan_Rebellion -- 70.24.244.198 ( talk) 01:40, 2 April 2012 (UTC) |
– How about this? -- Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 16:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Number 5 7 13:28, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
– Explanation below. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
A few years back when the first RM was made (and when I was young and reckless, although I still am––just less now) an IP said that using Zhuge Dan Rebellion, for example, is what is preferred over possessive. Although that understandable to fluent English speakers such as myself it is a faux pas in the English language. The actual preference is definitely possessive over noun adjunct. In fact, I only use attributive (I speak English as my first language and I take AP just sayin' haha) when saying things like soda can, garage sale, etc.
This still bares the question about the lower case or capital r/R. In my own opinion, not only is using a lower case r in a proper noun (because it is a historical event, such as Battle of the Bulge instead of Battle of the bulge) awkward–– but I also find it unreasonable because the most popular/frequent usage is capital. (Doesn't appear in nGrams, but it is commonly known as Wang Ling's Rebellion, etc. in the Dynasty Warriors video games, which again, are the strongest influence for the term of the rebellions) Although it shouldn't matter much because the term is collectively a proper noun. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)