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The "quick summary" of "Arian" belief is just wrong.
In the first place, there were many "Arian" traditions - I've been working on this over at
Arian controversy but mostly just covering who, what, where, when and skipping why for now.
It's not clear which traditions predominated among the Goths. Of course Wulfila greatly influenced Gothic Christianity in general. He signed the Homoian creed at Constantinople (359), but even Aëtius endorsed similar language at the time. Auxentius provides Wulfila's creed and Philostorgius specifically identifies Wulfila as an Anomoean.
It's clear that the Arian traditions worshiped Jesus and therefore regarded Jesus as God, although the meaning of this probably varied considerably within both Arian and Athanasian traditions.
Jacob Haller 01:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Etymology of the name
If the name means 'forest people', wouldn't it derive from Gothic triu, meaning tree? The etymology would then become trew-ing or triw-ing, with
metathesis. Are there any sources that confirm this?
CodeCat (
talk)
Good question. I'd like to see more info on this. I think Wolfram, although he identifies the Thervingi with the Visigothi, compares the etymology of Thervingi to that of
Derevliany from tree. But you would need to explain the far-from-regular shift from triu to *Tiru[-iggos].
71.191.226.223 (
talk) 23:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, the etymology of
Thuringii is also unknown, but may be analogous to that of Thervingi [both come from the same language family, both names at least superficially resemble each other, one name has been associated with forest people and the other group is also associated with forested regions] and more loosely analogous to
Derevliany.
71.191.226.223 (
talk) 23:30, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Dnestr vs. Dneister?
Is there a reason that the modern Dneister River is referred to using the apparently (according to the Dneister page) Russian alliterative form "Dnestr"? I see the Goths are considered East German - is there some relation to the Russian language? Is that what the Thervingi would have called it? Thanks.
Peacedance (
talk) 00:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)reply
Should this article be moved to "Tervingi"?
I rarely see the name spelled with an "h"?--
Andrew Lancaster (
talk) 08:31, 14 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I now see it was the spelling used by
Ammianus, supposedly under the influence of Greek sources. However, most English language writers use no "h"?--
Andrew Lancaster (
talk) 10:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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The "quick summary" of "Arian" belief is just wrong.
In the first place, there were many "Arian" traditions - I've been working on this over at
Arian controversy but mostly just covering who, what, where, when and skipping why for now.
It's not clear which traditions predominated among the Goths. Of course Wulfila greatly influenced Gothic Christianity in general. He signed the Homoian creed at Constantinople (359), but even Aëtius endorsed similar language at the time. Auxentius provides Wulfila's creed and Philostorgius specifically identifies Wulfila as an Anomoean.
It's clear that the Arian traditions worshiped Jesus and therefore regarded Jesus as God, although the meaning of this probably varied considerably within both Arian and Athanasian traditions.
Jacob Haller 01:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Etymology of the name
If the name means 'forest people', wouldn't it derive from Gothic triu, meaning tree? The etymology would then become trew-ing or triw-ing, with
metathesis. Are there any sources that confirm this?
CodeCat (
talk)
Good question. I'd like to see more info on this. I think Wolfram, although he identifies the Thervingi with the Visigothi, compares the etymology of Thervingi to that of
Derevliany from tree. But you would need to explain the far-from-regular shift from triu to *Tiru[-iggos].
71.191.226.223 (
talk) 23:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, the etymology of
Thuringii is also unknown, but may be analogous to that of Thervingi [both come from the same language family, both names at least superficially resemble each other, one name has been associated with forest people and the other group is also associated with forested regions] and more loosely analogous to
Derevliany.
71.191.226.223 (
talk) 23:30, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Dnestr vs. Dneister?
Is there a reason that the modern Dneister River is referred to using the apparently (according to the Dneister page) Russian alliterative form "Dnestr"? I see the Goths are considered East German - is there some relation to the Russian language? Is that what the Thervingi would have called it? Thanks.
Peacedance (
talk) 00:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)reply
Should this article be moved to "Tervingi"?
I rarely see the name spelled with an "h"?--
Andrew Lancaster (
talk) 08:31, 14 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I now see it was the spelling used by
Ammianus, supposedly under the influence of Greek sources. However, most English language writers use no "h"?--
Andrew Lancaster (
talk) 10:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)reply