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V8rik, I apologise for not having explained the reasoning behind my revision of the article you started. The basic reason was that it seemed to be oriented only toward the usage of the term "plate count" in the field of chromatography.
The concept and usage of "theoretical plates" or "theoretical trays" in distillation where physical plates and trays are actually used, or "height of a theoretical plate (HETP)" in packed beds where physical trays or plates are not used, and of "equibrium stages" ... all of which were not included in the original article ... are commonly and widely used throughout their respective fields. Therefore, I expanded the original article. After all, it is part and parcel of Wikipedia to expand and to edit new short articles where needed.
As for deleting the equation which you put back into the lead paragraph ... it is included in the section devoted to chromatography. I simply used somewhat different notation than used in your equation to be more consistent with the other sections. Otherwise, my version is identical to your equation. I see no reason to have it in the lead paragraph as well as in the chromatography section. Even the reference you provided to the IUPAC Goldbook (reference # 4 in the article) defines the plant count as a term used in chromatography. Regards, mbeychok 22:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
V8rik:
Do you really believe that an analogy about male and female shoppers on a shopping street is an appropriate analogy for the efficiency of distillation plates? Don't you think that it is non-encyclopedic? Regards, mbeychok 16:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, V8rik:
Though I appreciate your contribution to this article, this is hardly a forum for cracking jokes. I am deleting this section, please REFRAIN FROM REVERTING UNLESS YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY THIS SECTION MERITS TO REMAIN HERE. Further, I would encourage you to draw more appropriate analogies from real life that all readers would appreciate in the correct context. Analogies are a fantastic tool for understanding and dispersing knowledge, however, this analogy does not serve to that end. If you disagree with me, we can discuss this here. For the time being do not revert. Stuff like this is far more appropriate during a lecture to keep the audience interested. Ketankhare 17:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
As someone looking in from the outside, the simple analogy looks superfluous. It didn't really enhance my understanding of the theoretical plate, and really confuses the issue. The best way to make an article more understandable to the lay person is to explain terms and concepts as you go along, to use jargon sparingly, and to call on those unfamiliar to a subject area to read through the text to see if they understand it. Analogy may be useful if apt, but this particular analogy seems to be more confusing than beneficial. I've removed it for now, and recommend bolstering explanation in the lead as a better way to make the article more accessible to all readers -- Samir धर्म 00:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
In-line reference citations should be provided for each section, and preferably for each paragraph, to improve WikiProject Engineering quality classification. Thewellman ( talk) 22:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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V8rik, I apologise for not having explained the reasoning behind my revision of the article you started. The basic reason was that it seemed to be oriented only toward the usage of the term "plate count" in the field of chromatography.
The concept and usage of "theoretical plates" or "theoretical trays" in distillation where physical plates and trays are actually used, or "height of a theoretical plate (HETP)" in packed beds where physical trays or plates are not used, and of "equibrium stages" ... all of which were not included in the original article ... are commonly and widely used throughout their respective fields. Therefore, I expanded the original article. After all, it is part and parcel of Wikipedia to expand and to edit new short articles where needed.
As for deleting the equation which you put back into the lead paragraph ... it is included in the section devoted to chromatography. I simply used somewhat different notation than used in your equation to be more consistent with the other sections. Otherwise, my version is identical to your equation. I see no reason to have it in the lead paragraph as well as in the chromatography section. Even the reference you provided to the IUPAC Goldbook (reference # 4 in the article) defines the plant count as a term used in chromatography. Regards, mbeychok 22:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
V8rik:
Do you really believe that an analogy about male and female shoppers on a shopping street is an appropriate analogy for the efficiency of distillation plates? Don't you think that it is non-encyclopedic? Regards, mbeychok 16:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, V8rik:
Though I appreciate your contribution to this article, this is hardly a forum for cracking jokes. I am deleting this section, please REFRAIN FROM REVERTING UNLESS YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY THIS SECTION MERITS TO REMAIN HERE. Further, I would encourage you to draw more appropriate analogies from real life that all readers would appreciate in the correct context. Analogies are a fantastic tool for understanding and dispersing knowledge, however, this analogy does not serve to that end. If you disagree with me, we can discuss this here. For the time being do not revert. Stuff like this is far more appropriate during a lecture to keep the audience interested. Ketankhare 17:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
As someone looking in from the outside, the simple analogy looks superfluous. It didn't really enhance my understanding of the theoretical plate, and really confuses the issue. The best way to make an article more understandable to the lay person is to explain terms and concepts as you go along, to use jargon sparingly, and to call on those unfamiliar to a subject area to read through the text to see if they understand it. Analogy may be useful if apt, but this particular analogy seems to be more confusing than beneficial. I've removed it for now, and recommend bolstering explanation in the lead as a better way to make the article more accessible to all readers -- Samir धर्म 00:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
In-line reference citations should be provided for each section, and preferably for each paragraph, to improve WikiProject Engineering quality classification. Thewellman ( talk) 22:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)