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In my Sandbox i am currently changing this page this page to make it more about The X Factor in general and not just about The X Factor (UK)
Please Discuss the changes here User talk:In23065/Sandbox —Preceding unsigned comment added by In23065 ( talk • contribs)
The newly "internationalised" article The X Factor (TV series) is in need of significantly more background information about how the internationalisation of the show works in business terms: for example, who owns the rights, what the rights actually constitute, why anyone would want to create a national version of "The X Factor" rather than just doing their own thing, whether the same production company creates (or assists with the creation of) shows in different countries or each country has its own production setup, and so on. All this stuff needs explaining. Matt 14:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC).
I notice that Talk:The X Factor (TV series) redirects here (to Talk:The X Factor (TV series)). Going forward do we think that's a good idea? I don't want to change it unilaterally if it was done for a good reason. Matt 14:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC).
I think that this article is a bit of a mess -- not the big table, but the rest of the text. It was originally cobbled together from bits of the article about the UK series without, as far as I can see, any proper "internationalisation" or attempt to verify that the statements are true for all countries. And then there are bizarre statements like the UK version being a "variation in the format" -- specifically a "special pan-regional version" -- and an extremely specific statement about the Danish show which probably ought to go somewhere else. The article is lacking any information at all about the franchising process, or how the business side of things works, which is really a major part of what it should be focusing on. This is not a criticism of any individual editors... I'm as much to blame as anyone for not improving it. Matt 02:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC).
Could anyone state the difference between this and American Idol. The description doesn't really show many differences. It would be a significant detail I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.234.6.46 ( talk) 03:16, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Here in Canada, we have no idea what this "X-factor" is, and I'm thinking that not too many American's do either. Why is there no explanation as to how the format and content's differ between these two products (Idol and X-Factor)? And why are there seemingly no plans to bring it to Canada? There's more people in Canada compared to some of the other countries where X-Factor has been in for several years (???). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.98.120 ( talk) 13:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
I have not found any references to that 2006 season. There is no substantiation whatsoever. Perhaps somebody from the Kazakh Wikipedia could help with some details. But I am inclined to delete Kazakhstan from list, and reinstate later when we get any details. werldwayd ( talk) 03:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I suspected this was a hoax. There has been no announcement as of yet about Indonesian version of The X Factor. Tjowiki ( talk) 12:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Is it really appropriate to put Ireland next to the UK series when this is simply based on them hosting an audition in the Republic of Ireland in the latest series. The article itself is located at The X Factor (UK series 7) not The X Factor (UK and Ireland series 7). Surely we should simply list the main country the series is based in/produced for? BritishWatcher ( talk) 10:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Since this has there being over 45 series to date, could we list a small listing of various facts about the show? (most catogory wins; most successfull judge per country, most successfull catagory per country)--Cooly123 03:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
As of today, our page says 47 X Factor winners. But are we sure about this? Can't it be we missed someone and it is 48 or whatever? Is it really necessary to mention the total number anyway? Furthermore is it necessary to mention the latest winner either? I don't think it makes any relevance who the latest winner is. These are local artists and with no effect on other countries' sompetitions nor will they generally be heard in other countries... So which country's which winner is the latest makes no sense to me. I suggest dropping both practices (Total number and the leatest winner announcement) werldwayd ( talk) 06:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
The controversy section was too specific here (to UK), whereas this p-age is about the show in tens of countries. Just kept a brief introduction here and moved the rest to Controversy and criticism of The X Factor. werldwayd ( talk) 05:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I think there is a glaring issue that we are all ignoring regarding this recent series of the "X" Factor. It is clear that, during this run, a new Head Judge has been instated. Louis Walsh's recent promotion to this position, after the departure of Simon Cowell, cannot be brushed under the carpet, however much we have a tendency to persecute him. His new role must be respected and mentioned in this page. Wwweeeccc ( talk) 18:54, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
The country chart needs to be updated. The blue used in the chart legend is not the same blue shown on the chart. I would change it, but I do not know where to find the numbers for the colors. -- Shadow ( talk) 20:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Can I please wask why Nicole Sherzinger is listed as a current X Factor judge in the UK Series, and Tulisa listed as a former judge? Has anything been announced stating this, or is it an error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.164.69 ( talk) 15:19, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Glad to see this has been rectified. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.13.171 ( talk) 17:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Why does it say that the UK and Ireland is Joint when it is Produced, Originates from and is generally known as the United Kingdom Version, ITV, STV and UTV never referred to it as a Joint Version and TV 3 don't call it a joint version. At the moment the show is only broadcast in ROI but the U.S. version in broadcast in the UK and that is not called a joint version, I think all items saying its a joint version need to be removed. C. 22468 ( talk) 21:13, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:23, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
A "Notable Auditions" section should be included, Here are some ideas lorna bliss Demi Lovato geting owwned for using Auto-Tune -- 88.111.114.152 ( talk) 13:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
So have they been added to the correct locations?-- 88.111.127.125 ( talk) 16:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Why is the website not a reliable source?-- 88.111.127.125 ( talk) 16:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
But it has video proof!-- 88.111.121.131 ( talk) 17:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
That makes it proof, but the hits and comments make it notable!-- 88.111.121.131 ( talk) 16:01, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
But the video was also featured on YouTube!-- 88.111.121.131 ( talk) 16:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
But it should still be mentioned in the notable auditions!-- 79.69.105.94 ( talk) 11:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Have these now been included?-- 88.111.126.79 ( talk) 14:01, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Not sure why this was added, no networks here have confirmed a version of the X Factor for here in Canada. And from what is known, if a "Canadian version" was made it'd end up as merged with the already existent US version of the show. Herro Link 07:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm challenging part of the lead which says "Television stations in many countries, especially in Scandinavia, have expressed an interest in showing the UK version, but have not been able to acquire the rights. This is due to legal issues as the British version of the show is only available in the UK and Ireland". Firstly, I can't find a source for this information. Secondly, the second sentence is confusing. To me it would sound better if it said "The British version of the show is only available in the UK and Ireland due to legal reasons", this however would still need clarification as to why. Please could someone shed light on this? ~~ Peteb16 ( talk) 14:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have been editing this page for the past year or so and would like to add a few notes here. Firstly, the Moroccan version of X Factor is the same as the current season of X Factor Arabia, which is being broadcasted on several different networks around the Arab world and northern Africa.
More importantly, I wanted to address the recent formatting edits, as I was partially responsible for the change in formatting that was recently reversed. I made the formatting changes that I made with the primary intent of presenting the information in an easy-to-read and relatively attractive and professional format for viewers of the page. These changes were based on formatting that I have seen on the equivalent Idols and Voice franchise pages.
I understand the need for formatting standards, however, in all honesty, I do feel that these recent changes are more detrimental than good, both professionally and design-wise. Yes, it may be obvious who the current and former judges are, but when you clump the names all together in one giant block of text, it a) looks quite unsightly, but, more importantly, b) it makes it harder to find the pertinent information. For instance, let's say I wanted to find out who's currently on the X Factor Australia panel. Under the Current/Former formatting that I instated, I can find the information with a simple glance. With this "standardized" formatting, it takes longer to sift through the names and seasons in parentheses. The difference may be only a few seconds, but that few seconds is like eons in terms of web accessibility.
I can't say I'm a huge fan of the lowercase-ization of the "upcoming season" and "in progress" titles. To me, this screams unprofessional and is reminiscent of teenagers and others who don't capitalize anything and generally dismiss the rules of grammar. I should reiterate, I was following the lead of the respective Idols and Voice franchise pages with regards to my formatting choices - this isn't entirely coming out of thin air.
In short, I disagree with these recent changes, because I believe it makes this page look less professional, less accessible, and less attractive. I'm trying not to come off as hostile, but this is a page that I frequent and edit on a regular basis and, as such, I feel invested in how this page is presented. I really do understand the need to simplify and clean up formatting, but I also don't think we need to stoop down to the bare minimum of design either. I would change it back, but in the interest of not starting an edit war, I would like to throw this out for further conversation. Thank you.
Wickedlyperfect18 ( talk) 10:08, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
According to www.examiner.com/article/the-x-factor-franchise-expands-to-40-territories-sweden-and-georgia-added, versions in Argentina and Georgia were launched in 2012. Were these actually made? They're not included in the list. That site is blacklisted on Wikipedia (hence not linked), so is probably not deemed reliable anyway. But I thought I'd ask just in case. – Anemone Projectors– 15:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 15:53, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
– Having worked on the disambiguation of incoming links to the page, X Factor, I can attest to this being the clear primary topic to which virtually all incoming links are intended to point, month after month. In addition to these page moves, I propose that "X Factor" be redirected to "The X Factor". Per WP:DABCONCEPT, the entire collection of X Factor spin-offs in different countries is a single topic with multiple subtopic articles (the country articles) under the heading of a single general concept article (for which a move is proposed). The question is whether the TV series and all of its spin-offs, taken as a whole, is primary as against other topics with the same title (note that the few titles having variations of "The Ex-Factor" are not matching titles). Finally, such a move would conform with the desire for consistency expressed at WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, as this treatment would match that of other dominant reality TV series with multiple international franchises, including Dancing with the Stars, MasterChef, So You Think You Can Dance, The Biggest Loser, Top Model, and Undercover Boss. bd2412 T 16:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be better if legends were added to let users know if the countries version of The X Factor is ongoing, discontinuing, forthcoming or returning. Wonderwizard ( talk) 17:44, May 27 2014 (UTC)
As it is now 2016, these should not read "TBA" or "upcoming series". Did they happen? If so, do we know the results? Anemone Projectors 17:50, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
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There is no confirmation from the broadcaster of Factor X returning after its recent third season, so Spain should not be marked in yellow on the country chart. Moreover, the season has been considered a ratings failure by specialized media. [1] [2] The third season was shortened by the broadcaster due to its low ratings. [3] Baskesc ( talk) 18:41, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
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Can the disputes and controversies sections, other than the legal dispute section, be moved out of this page and into the relevant articles for each country where they belong? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 11:06, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
The section on the UK version has been vandalized. J4lambert ( talk) 21:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
The status of each edition is only shown using colour, which means that someone using a screen reader cannot access that information. See the first bullet point of MOS:COLOUR.
Can this be addressed? I think a status column with something like CA for currently airing, NA for not currently airing etc would suffice, provided there was a key for the abbreviations. KaraLG84 ( talk) 15:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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In my Sandbox i am currently changing this page this page to make it more about The X Factor in general and not just about The X Factor (UK)
Please Discuss the changes here User talk:In23065/Sandbox —Preceding unsigned comment added by In23065 ( talk • contribs)
The newly "internationalised" article The X Factor (TV series) is in need of significantly more background information about how the internationalisation of the show works in business terms: for example, who owns the rights, what the rights actually constitute, why anyone would want to create a national version of "The X Factor" rather than just doing their own thing, whether the same production company creates (or assists with the creation of) shows in different countries or each country has its own production setup, and so on. All this stuff needs explaining. Matt 14:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC).
I notice that Talk:The X Factor (TV series) redirects here (to Talk:The X Factor (TV series)). Going forward do we think that's a good idea? I don't want to change it unilaterally if it was done for a good reason. Matt 14:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC).
I think that this article is a bit of a mess -- not the big table, but the rest of the text. It was originally cobbled together from bits of the article about the UK series without, as far as I can see, any proper "internationalisation" or attempt to verify that the statements are true for all countries. And then there are bizarre statements like the UK version being a "variation in the format" -- specifically a "special pan-regional version" -- and an extremely specific statement about the Danish show which probably ought to go somewhere else. The article is lacking any information at all about the franchising process, or how the business side of things works, which is really a major part of what it should be focusing on. This is not a criticism of any individual editors... I'm as much to blame as anyone for not improving it. Matt 02:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC).
Could anyone state the difference between this and American Idol. The description doesn't really show many differences. It would be a significant detail I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.234.6.46 ( talk) 03:16, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Here in Canada, we have no idea what this "X-factor" is, and I'm thinking that not too many American's do either. Why is there no explanation as to how the format and content's differ between these two products (Idol and X-Factor)? And why are there seemingly no plans to bring it to Canada? There's more people in Canada compared to some of the other countries where X-Factor has been in for several years (???). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.98.120 ( talk) 13:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
I have not found any references to that 2006 season. There is no substantiation whatsoever. Perhaps somebody from the Kazakh Wikipedia could help with some details. But I am inclined to delete Kazakhstan from list, and reinstate later when we get any details. werldwayd ( talk) 03:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I suspected this was a hoax. There has been no announcement as of yet about Indonesian version of The X Factor. Tjowiki ( talk) 12:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Is it really appropriate to put Ireland next to the UK series when this is simply based on them hosting an audition in the Republic of Ireland in the latest series. The article itself is located at The X Factor (UK series 7) not The X Factor (UK and Ireland series 7). Surely we should simply list the main country the series is based in/produced for? BritishWatcher ( talk) 10:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Since this has there being over 45 series to date, could we list a small listing of various facts about the show? (most catogory wins; most successfull judge per country, most successfull catagory per country)--Cooly123 03:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
As of today, our page says 47 X Factor winners. But are we sure about this? Can't it be we missed someone and it is 48 or whatever? Is it really necessary to mention the total number anyway? Furthermore is it necessary to mention the latest winner either? I don't think it makes any relevance who the latest winner is. These are local artists and with no effect on other countries' sompetitions nor will they generally be heard in other countries... So which country's which winner is the latest makes no sense to me. I suggest dropping both practices (Total number and the leatest winner announcement) werldwayd ( talk) 06:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
The controversy section was too specific here (to UK), whereas this p-age is about the show in tens of countries. Just kept a brief introduction here and moved the rest to Controversy and criticism of The X Factor. werldwayd ( talk) 05:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I think there is a glaring issue that we are all ignoring regarding this recent series of the "X" Factor. It is clear that, during this run, a new Head Judge has been instated. Louis Walsh's recent promotion to this position, after the departure of Simon Cowell, cannot be brushed under the carpet, however much we have a tendency to persecute him. His new role must be respected and mentioned in this page. Wwweeeccc ( talk) 18:54, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
The country chart needs to be updated. The blue used in the chart legend is not the same blue shown on the chart. I would change it, but I do not know where to find the numbers for the colors. -- Shadow ( talk) 20:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Can I please wask why Nicole Sherzinger is listed as a current X Factor judge in the UK Series, and Tulisa listed as a former judge? Has anything been announced stating this, or is it an error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.164.69 ( talk) 15:19, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Glad to see this has been rectified. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.13.171 ( talk) 17:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Why does it say that the UK and Ireland is Joint when it is Produced, Originates from and is generally known as the United Kingdom Version, ITV, STV and UTV never referred to it as a Joint Version and TV 3 don't call it a joint version. At the moment the show is only broadcast in ROI but the U.S. version in broadcast in the UK and that is not called a joint version, I think all items saying its a joint version need to be removed. C. 22468 ( talk) 21:13, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:23, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
A "Notable Auditions" section should be included, Here are some ideas lorna bliss Demi Lovato geting owwned for using Auto-Tune -- 88.111.114.152 ( talk) 13:06, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
So have they been added to the correct locations?-- 88.111.127.125 ( talk) 16:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Why is the website not a reliable source?-- 88.111.127.125 ( talk) 16:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
But it has video proof!-- 88.111.121.131 ( talk) 17:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
That makes it proof, but the hits and comments make it notable!-- 88.111.121.131 ( talk) 16:01, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
But the video was also featured on YouTube!-- 88.111.121.131 ( talk) 16:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
But it should still be mentioned in the notable auditions!-- 79.69.105.94 ( talk) 11:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Have these now been included?-- 88.111.126.79 ( talk) 14:01, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Not sure why this was added, no networks here have confirmed a version of the X Factor for here in Canada. And from what is known, if a "Canadian version" was made it'd end up as merged with the already existent US version of the show. Herro Link 07:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm challenging part of the lead which says "Television stations in many countries, especially in Scandinavia, have expressed an interest in showing the UK version, but have not been able to acquire the rights. This is due to legal issues as the British version of the show is only available in the UK and Ireland". Firstly, I can't find a source for this information. Secondly, the second sentence is confusing. To me it would sound better if it said "The British version of the show is only available in the UK and Ireland due to legal reasons", this however would still need clarification as to why. Please could someone shed light on this? ~~ Peteb16 ( talk) 14:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have been editing this page for the past year or so and would like to add a few notes here. Firstly, the Moroccan version of X Factor is the same as the current season of X Factor Arabia, which is being broadcasted on several different networks around the Arab world and northern Africa.
More importantly, I wanted to address the recent formatting edits, as I was partially responsible for the change in formatting that was recently reversed. I made the formatting changes that I made with the primary intent of presenting the information in an easy-to-read and relatively attractive and professional format for viewers of the page. These changes were based on formatting that I have seen on the equivalent Idols and Voice franchise pages.
I understand the need for formatting standards, however, in all honesty, I do feel that these recent changes are more detrimental than good, both professionally and design-wise. Yes, it may be obvious who the current and former judges are, but when you clump the names all together in one giant block of text, it a) looks quite unsightly, but, more importantly, b) it makes it harder to find the pertinent information. For instance, let's say I wanted to find out who's currently on the X Factor Australia panel. Under the Current/Former formatting that I instated, I can find the information with a simple glance. With this "standardized" formatting, it takes longer to sift through the names and seasons in parentheses. The difference may be only a few seconds, but that few seconds is like eons in terms of web accessibility.
I can't say I'm a huge fan of the lowercase-ization of the "upcoming season" and "in progress" titles. To me, this screams unprofessional and is reminiscent of teenagers and others who don't capitalize anything and generally dismiss the rules of grammar. I should reiterate, I was following the lead of the respective Idols and Voice franchise pages with regards to my formatting choices - this isn't entirely coming out of thin air.
In short, I disagree with these recent changes, because I believe it makes this page look less professional, less accessible, and less attractive. I'm trying not to come off as hostile, but this is a page that I frequent and edit on a regular basis and, as such, I feel invested in how this page is presented. I really do understand the need to simplify and clean up formatting, but I also don't think we need to stoop down to the bare minimum of design either. I would change it back, but in the interest of not starting an edit war, I would like to throw this out for further conversation. Thank you.
Wickedlyperfect18 ( talk) 10:08, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
According to www.examiner.com/article/the-x-factor-franchise-expands-to-40-territories-sweden-and-georgia-added, versions in Argentina and Georgia were launched in 2012. Were these actually made? They're not included in the list. That site is blacklisted on Wikipedia (hence not linked), so is probably not deemed reliable anyway. But I thought I'd ask just in case. – Anemone Projectors– 15:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 15:53, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
– Having worked on the disambiguation of incoming links to the page, X Factor, I can attest to this being the clear primary topic to which virtually all incoming links are intended to point, month after month. In addition to these page moves, I propose that "X Factor" be redirected to "The X Factor". Per WP:DABCONCEPT, the entire collection of X Factor spin-offs in different countries is a single topic with multiple subtopic articles (the country articles) under the heading of a single general concept article (for which a move is proposed). The question is whether the TV series and all of its spin-offs, taken as a whole, is primary as against other topics with the same title (note that the few titles having variations of "The Ex-Factor" are not matching titles). Finally, such a move would conform with the desire for consistency expressed at WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, as this treatment would match that of other dominant reality TV series with multiple international franchises, including Dancing with the Stars, MasterChef, So You Think You Can Dance, The Biggest Loser, Top Model, and Undercover Boss. bd2412 T 16:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be better if legends were added to let users know if the countries version of The X Factor is ongoing, discontinuing, forthcoming or returning. Wonderwizard ( talk) 17:44, May 27 2014 (UTC)
As it is now 2016, these should not read "TBA" or "upcoming series". Did they happen? If so, do we know the results? Anemone Projectors 17:50, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
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There is no confirmation from the broadcaster of Factor X returning after its recent third season, so Spain should not be marked in yellow on the country chart. Moreover, the season has been considered a ratings failure by specialized media. [1] [2] The third season was shortened by the broadcaster due to its low ratings. [3] Baskesc ( talk) 18:41, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
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Can the disputes and controversies sections, other than the legal dispute section, be moved out of this page and into the relevant articles for each country where they belong? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 11:06, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
The section on the UK version has been vandalized. J4lambert ( talk) 21:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
The status of each edition is only shown using colour, which means that someone using a screen reader cannot access that information. See the first bullet point of MOS:COLOUR.
Can this be addressed? I think a status column with something like CA for currently airing, NA for not currently airing etc would suffice, provided there was a key for the abbreviations. KaraLG84 ( talk) 15:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)