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The litigation section of this article is WP:UNDUE-ly long and seems to give an extreme amount of weightage to it. A newspaper/magazine article should not have half the page be litigation unless the newspaper is itself known for said litigation. I've taken a pass to reduce said overly verbose descriptions.
I think another pass might be needed, ideally to remove any sections where no cases were actually filed. The section viz "Adityanath government" might be either be removed or merged into another subheading if considered notable enough, and I believe at least the section titled "Amit Malviya" should be removed. Any relevant notes can be added and expanded in the Tek Fog/Meta sections and pages.
Soni ( talk) 01:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
I've taken another pass to edit the article from UNDUE length. The lawsuits section was cluttered with news stories about initial filings but I was unable to find sources discussing the result of those lawsuits. They have been removed. Further removal may be necessary for due-ness, the existence of lawsuits is not notable enough by itself here Soni ( talk) 06:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
This is well supported by the cited ref and the edit summary your provided didnt justify your rv. Well, the How's behind your claim of WPUNDUE is more important here for this revert. BlackOrchidd ( talk) 05:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
I have mentioned that The Wire is a part of a coalition of progressive news outlets from around the world. Should it be included in the lead that The Wire is progressive, like it is in the article for HuffPost?
Also, based on the article The Annihilation of Caste Requires Dismantling Hinduism's Code of Ordinances by The Wire Staff, can it be added in Editorial stance that they support Ambedkarism and Anti-Brahminism?
– Yuyutsu Ho ( talk) 14:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
The article does not explicitly state that The Wire is left-leaning. The first sentence you have quoted here itself states that it is not clearly so, it mentions "left side of the ideological spectrum" in reference to its perception as a result of the backdrop of its founding, something that is elaborated on over the preceding pages in the article. The second paragraph that you have quoted seems to be a commentary on the identification provided by a group of interviewees and not the article's own conclusion.
Regardlessly, this is a good source so thank you for bringing it here and which may be used to substantiate a discussion on editorial stance in the body of the article (as mentioned by Kautilya3), that is among other aspects in general such as its model of operation which is the primary focus of the journal article.
... In its first week alone, readers can find an overview of the historical trajectory of the Hindutva movement...
In 2020, The Wire joined Progressive International's Wire– a coalition of progressive media outlets from around the world. [1] [2]
According to one of the founding editors, the founders’ basic value is to stand for the right of the individual against the normally overbearing nature of the State. He further added that the founders are socially and economically liberal in their approach. [3]
Varadarajan said in an interview that he (and by extension The Wire, as asked in question) in all matters of journalism is guided by the Constitution of India. [4]
Although it seemed The Wire represented the left side of the ideological spectrum, the founders’ position was more nuanced than that. As V explained, “We are a not-for-profit public interest journalism platform. We hope that we can have revenue models which are not totally ad-driven.” V felt advertisers might influence editorial policies. “Our basic objective is to inform without fear or favor.” He said the founders’ basic value was that they stood for the right of the individual against the normally overbearing nature of the State. “We are socially and economically liberal in our approach.”
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The litigation section of this article is WP:UNDUE-ly long and seems to give an extreme amount of weightage to it. A newspaper/magazine article should not have half the page be litigation unless the newspaper is itself known for said litigation. I've taken a pass to reduce said overly verbose descriptions.
I think another pass might be needed, ideally to remove any sections where no cases were actually filed. The section viz "Adityanath government" might be either be removed or merged into another subheading if considered notable enough, and I believe at least the section titled "Amit Malviya" should be removed. Any relevant notes can be added and expanded in the Tek Fog/Meta sections and pages.
Soni ( talk) 01:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
I've taken another pass to edit the article from UNDUE length. The lawsuits section was cluttered with news stories about initial filings but I was unable to find sources discussing the result of those lawsuits. They have been removed. Further removal may be necessary for due-ness, the existence of lawsuits is not notable enough by itself here Soni ( talk) 06:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
This is well supported by the cited ref and the edit summary your provided didnt justify your rv. Well, the How's behind your claim of WPUNDUE is more important here for this revert. BlackOrchidd ( talk) 05:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
I have mentioned that The Wire is a part of a coalition of progressive news outlets from around the world. Should it be included in the lead that The Wire is progressive, like it is in the article for HuffPost?
Also, based on the article The Annihilation of Caste Requires Dismantling Hinduism's Code of Ordinances by The Wire Staff, can it be added in Editorial stance that they support Ambedkarism and Anti-Brahminism?
– Yuyutsu Ho ( talk) 14:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
The article does not explicitly state that The Wire is left-leaning. The first sentence you have quoted here itself states that it is not clearly so, it mentions "left side of the ideological spectrum" in reference to its perception as a result of the backdrop of its founding, something that is elaborated on over the preceding pages in the article. The second paragraph that you have quoted seems to be a commentary on the identification provided by a group of interviewees and not the article's own conclusion.
Regardlessly, this is a good source so thank you for bringing it here and which may be used to substantiate a discussion on editorial stance in the body of the article (as mentioned by Kautilya3), that is among other aspects in general such as its model of operation which is the primary focus of the journal article.
... In its first week alone, readers can find an overview of the historical trajectory of the Hindutva movement...
In 2020, The Wire joined Progressive International's Wire– a coalition of progressive media outlets from around the world. [1] [2]
According to one of the founding editors, the founders’ basic value is to stand for the right of the individual against the normally overbearing nature of the State. He further added that the founders are socially and economically liberal in their approach. [3]
Varadarajan said in an interview that he (and by extension The Wire, as asked in question) in all matters of journalism is guided by the Constitution of India. [4]
Although it seemed The Wire represented the left side of the ideological spectrum, the founders’ position was more nuanced than that. As V explained, “We are a not-for-profit public interest journalism platform. We hope that we can have revenue models which are not totally ad-driven.” V felt advertisers might influence editorial policies. “Our basic objective is to inform without fear or favor.” He said the founders’ basic value was that they stood for the right of the individual against the normally overbearing nature of the State. “We are socially and economically liberal in our approach.”
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