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I've been working on this article for a couple of weeks now, with the goal of getting it ready for a Peer Review process. One thing that needs to happen is to do further work on making the article less purely a "History of The Waterboys" (hence my addition of a section on music, with its literary and spirituality subsections). Looking at the Featured Articles on bands leads me to believe that there isn't any firm standard on what should be in a band article. See the differences between The Beatles, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden (band), The Supremes and The Temptations. What makes sense to include in this article about this particular band? I don't think we need an entire section on their logo ( Dream Theater has one), so I included a couple of lines about its symbolism in literary references. The Temptations is pretty much a pure history article, Iron Maiden (band) is much the same (but with lots of lists). Do we need a "Lineup" section here? It would be absurdly long, given the thirty-some musicians that have been a part of the band at some point. Thoughts about other sections to include? Thoughts about further improvement in other ways? Jkelly 18:21, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
And truly excellent work you've been doing too. I totally agree with making the article more than just a history. I was thinking about a larger section on the sound of the band but due to the way the waterboys have changed over the years maybe it would fit better in the history than in a seperate section? I think we also need a section concentrating on individual members of the band (which could possibly include a full lineup) as more needs to be written about anto, steve etc mentioning that mike hasn't written all the waterboys songs. Something similar to the "Members of group as instrumentalists and composers" in the beatles article maybe? Another idea we could borrow from the beatles article is the pictures of the each member of the band outlining how they are as you go down the page. We couldn't do this for all the members of the waterboys but we could limit it to the really important members. We've got to decide on who they are though (Mike, Steve, Anto, Karl, Richard Naiff maybe?) and find really cool pictures. A section on influences and who the band has influenced might be a good idea too. We could mention the bands/projects that different waterboys have gone to do in that too. We've got to mention floppy hats at some point too ;-) O'Dubhghaill 20:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I think that the suggestion is a very good one. I think that adding a membership section which looks something like:
Introduction... more than thirty members throughout its history... some important contributors include (in order of joining):
Other notable former Waterboys members include Bill Whelan, who went on to write Riverdance, Sharon Shannon, who went on to become Ireland's best-selling traditional music artist, etc.
I don't mean to say that the paragraphs should actually be in bullet form (I just formatted that way for this comment) Thoughts? Jkelly 23:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
This is just a note to express my strong objection to using Template:Infobox band in the article, in case it occurs to another editor. Leaving aside the issue of stability (see Template talk:Infobox band), the information it attempts to convey quickly for the reader is complicated enough in the case of this band that a couple of lines detailing points like "Country of origin", "Years active", "Genre(s)", etc in the lead of the article is less like to misinform or present a particular point of view than trying to cram that information into the infobox. Since the template is not a guideline given at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music, I don't feel that its inclusion is necessary for the article. Jkelly 18:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Is the reference currently labelled "Album Notes" referring to the Recording Notes of The Waterboys? I assume so, but I would like some confirmation. Jkelly 18:02, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
A big well done to everyone who contributed to this article and achieved featured article status. A special thank you to Jkelly for his wonderful work. O'Dubhghaill 23:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
There is some confusion, at least on my part, about the band / Scott's influence on members of The Wonder Stuff. Our reference is this:
http://www.tastyfanzine.org.uk/ints32%20nov04.htm
but User:SPANA argues that Gelb is not part of The Wonder Stuff, and it should instead read:
and Miles Hunt of The Wonder Stuff [1]
Can someone help sort out who Gelb is, and if there is any reference for influence on Hunt? Thanks. Jkelly 22:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Can anybody explain to me why Too Close To Heaven is listed under the regular Waterboys studio albums, while The secret life of the Waterboys is listed under the compilations? Both albums are made up from alternative versions and outtakes from previous albums. The Secret Life... is based on the three earliest records, while Too Close... is based on Fisherman's Blues. However, both records share the same idea, so I think they should both be listed either under the studio albums or under compilations. Does anyone agree? Brynnar 12:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I just removed the addition of a new "bootlegs" section, as we don't list these in a band's discography. If a reliable source has discussed the phenomena of Waterboys bootlegs, that should be included in the article, however. Jkelly 19:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There's an interesting blog post by Mike Scott on http://www.myspace.com/mikescottwaterboys regarding his recently reverted edits to the Waterboys article. -- PaulGarner 17:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Reference number 6, seems to no longer go to the intended page, would it still be acceptable if I used a web archiver? :) Marcus Bowen ( talk) 15:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Why doesn't The Waterboys have a separate discography article? It seems like there are enough listings for this. I would be happy to do it and have in several other articles but I don't like messing with FA articles. (It seems like they soon lose their integrity for the rating the more that editors not experienced in working on FA ratings make edits to them.) Agadant ( talk) 15:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
How did this get to FA - I was looking to see where Scott was born, what town or city?
In what sense is this a Scottish band? Mike Scott is Scottish, but the band members have been English, Scottish, and Irish. It seems that saying "Scottish band" limits the band's definition. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 23:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I always thought the band were Irish - after all, they did use the lyrics from a poem by W.B. Yeats in one of their songs! The article does actually say that the band has had members from Scotland, England and Ireland, but if this is so, one does wonder whether, as well as being in the category "Scottish groups", they should be in the category "Irish groups" and "English groups". ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 16:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Help in developing that article would be appreciated. The topic of the page has been kind enough to leave a list of possible references to work from on the talk page. Thank you. — {{U| Technical 13}} ( e • t • c) 19:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
The fact that so many people have played for the band strikes me as notable in and of itself. The list is cited. This is explained very clearly in the invis. note at the top of the section. No doubt there are other ways of doing this, but I don't think it would be helpful to add the same cite to all, (or perhaps nearly all) of the individual entries. It would be helpful to discuss this topic if need be rather than edit warring. Ben Mac Dui 11:57, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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Per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE the infobox is supposed to be a summary of the key facts of the article. Therefore, the "Past members" section could be seen as too overloaded as it currently stands. Is this so, and importantly, if it is, how should we deal with this? Should we omit this section entirely, or if we reduce it down, how do we decide who should and should not be granted a place in the infobox? Helper201 ( talk) 22:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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I've been working on this article for a couple of weeks now, with the goal of getting it ready for a Peer Review process. One thing that needs to happen is to do further work on making the article less purely a "History of The Waterboys" (hence my addition of a section on music, with its literary and spirituality subsections). Looking at the Featured Articles on bands leads me to believe that there isn't any firm standard on what should be in a band article. See the differences between The Beatles, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden (band), The Supremes and The Temptations. What makes sense to include in this article about this particular band? I don't think we need an entire section on their logo ( Dream Theater has one), so I included a couple of lines about its symbolism in literary references. The Temptations is pretty much a pure history article, Iron Maiden (band) is much the same (but with lots of lists). Do we need a "Lineup" section here? It would be absurdly long, given the thirty-some musicians that have been a part of the band at some point. Thoughts about other sections to include? Thoughts about further improvement in other ways? Jkelly 18:21, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
And truly excellent work you've been doing too. I totally agree with making the article more than just a history. I was thinking about a larger section on the sound of the band but due to the way the waterboys have changed over the years maybe it would fit better in the history than in a seperate section? I think we also need a section concentrating on individual members of the band (which could possibly include a full lineup) as more needs to be written about anto, steve etc mentioning that mike hasn't written all the waterboys songs. Something similar to the "Members of group as instrumentalists and composers" in the beatles article maybe? Another idea we could borrow from the beatles article is the pictures of the each member of the band outlining how they are as you go down the page. We couldn't do this for all the members of the waterboys but we could limit it to the really important members. We've got to decide on who they are though (Mike, Steve, Anto, Karl, Richard Naiff maybe?) and find really cool pictures. A section on influences and who the band has influenced might be a good idea too. We could mention the bands/projects that different waterboys have gone to do in that too. We've got to mention floppy hats at some point too ;-) O'Dubhghaill 20:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I think that the suggestion is a very good one. I think that adding a membership section which looks something like:
Introduction... more than thirty members throughout its history... some important contributors include (in order of joining):
Other notable former Waterboys members include Bill Whelan, who went on to write Riverdance, Sharon Shannon, who went on to become Ireland's best-selling traditional music artist, etc.
I don't mean to say that the paragraphs should actually be in bullet form (I just formatted that way for this comment) Thoughts? Jkelly 23:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
This is just a note to express my strong objection to using Template:Infobox band in the article, in case it occurs to another editor. Leaving aside the issue of stability (see Template talk:Infobox band), the information it attempts to convey quickly for the reader is complicated enough in the case of this band that a couple of lines detailing points like "Country of origin", "Years active", "Genre(s)", etc in the lead of the article is less like to misinform or present a particular point of view than trying to cram that information into the infobox. Since the template is not a guideline given at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music, I don't feel that its inclusion is necessary for the article. Jkelly 18:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Is the reference currently labelled "Album Notes" referring to the Recording Notes of The Waterboys? I assume so, but I would like some confirmation. Jkelly 18:02, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
A big well done to everyone who contributed to this article and achieved featured article status. A special thank you to Jkelly for his wonderful work. O'Dubhghaill 23:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
There is some confusion, at least on my part, about the band / Scott's influence on members of The Wonder Stuff. Our reference is this:
http://www.tastyfanzine.org.uk/ints32%20nov04.htm
but User:SPANA argues that Gelb is not part of The Wonder Stuff, and it should instead read:
and Miles Hunt of The Wonder Stuff [1]
Can someone help sort out who Gelb is, and if there is any reference for influence on Hunt? Thanks. Jkelly 22:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Can anybody explain to me why Too Close To Heaven is listed under the regular Waterboys studio albums, while The secret life of the Waterboys is listed under the compilations? Both albums are made up from alternative versions and outtakes from previous albums. The Secret Life... is based on the three earliest records, while Too Close... is based on Fisherman's Blues. However, both records share the same idea, so I think they should both be listed either under the studio albums or under compilations. Does anyone agree? Brynnar 12:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I just removed the addition of a new "bootlegs" section, as we don't list these in a band's discography. If a reliable source has discussed the phenomena of Waterboys bootlegs, that should be included in the article, however. Jkelly 19:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There's an interesting blog post by Mike Scott on http://www.myspace.com/mikescottwaterboys regarding his recently reverted edits to the Waterboys article. -- PaulGarner 17:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Reference number 6, seems to no longer go to the intended page, would it still be acceptable if I used a web archiver? :) Marcus Bowen ( talk) 15:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Why doesn't The Waterboys have a separate discography article? It seems like there are enough listings for this. I would be happy to do it and have in several other articles but I don't like messing with FA articles. (It seems like they soon lose their integrity for the rating the more that editors not experienced in working on FA ratings make edits to them.) Agadant ( talk) 15:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
How did this get to FA - I was looking to see where Scott was born, what town or city?
In what sense is this a Scottish band? Mike Scott is Scottish, but the band members have been English, Scottish, and Irish. It seems that saying "Scottish band" limits the band's definition. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 23:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I always thought the band were Irish - after all, they did use the lyrics from a poem by W.B. Yeats in one of their songs! The article does actually say that the band has had members from Scotland, England and Ireland, but if this is so, one does wonder whether, as well as being in the category "Scottish groups", they should be in the category "Irish groups" and "English groups". ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 16:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Help in developing that article would be appreciated. The topic of the page has been kind enough to leave a list of possible references to work from on the talk page. Thank you. — {{U| Technical 13}} ( e • t • c) 19:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
The fact that so many people have played for the band strikes me as notable in and of itself. The list is cited. This is explained very clearly in the invis. note at the top of the section. No doubt there are other ways of doing this, but I don't think it would be helpful to add the same cite to all, (or perhaps nearly all) of the individual entries. It would be helpful to discuss this topic if need be rather than edit warring. Ben Mac Dui 11:57, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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Per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE the infobox is supposed to be a summary of the key facts of the article. Therefore, the "Past members" section could be seen as too overloaded as it currently stands. Is this so, and importantly, if it is, how should we deal with this? Should we omit this section entirely, or if we reduce it down, how do we decide who should and should not be granted a place in the infobox? Helper201 ( talk) 22:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)