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yup PayneXKiller 13:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the top photo be updated, showing one with his current gimmick, as opposed to a gimmick he hasn't had for three years? Taker04 ( talk) 08:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
No mention of their winning the championships together. Explain... Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 23:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes i agree, the picture should be changed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.135.3 ( talk) 20:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
It doesnt really make a Triangle Choke a finishing moves because he only used it one match to make The Great Khali tap out SocialistRevolution ( talk) 00:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
^^ That was 2003, not 2002. But yeah its not a finisher just a signature move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dickdickdickdike ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
^^^Are you serious, 3 times and its signature over a 15 year pro career? LessThanClippers ( talk) 06:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC) ^^^Yes. Its a signature move. He only uses it when he needs too (e.g giving it to angle), the reason he gave it to Angle is because Angle is a submission wrestler so he will trade holds. He did it to Khali because he couldn't lift him (kayfabe) and he did it to bob orton so he would be knocked out, thus letting Taker put him in the casket. It's a signature move, it's just that he only does it when neccesary. 142.162.207.136 ( talk) 18:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
^^^^No its not a signature move. It just means hes a talented wrestler who knows a move that will help him win in that case. 3 times in 15 years says, he knows the move, its not a signature of the undertaker. Its stuff like this that is cluttering move lists, and the page as a whole. LessThanClippers ( talk) 20:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
1. Angle NWO 06
2. Angle SD 03
3. Khali SD 07
4. Batista CS 07
5. Bob Orton NM 05
Is 5 enough? If not then I dont think that jump over the top rope should be a signature move. I can't even get 5 for that.
1. Kane WM20
2. Kane Inferno UFG 08
3. Michaels GS 97 142.162.207.62 ( talk) 18:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
4. Henry Mania 22 142.162.207.62 ( talk) 18:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Really, even 5 over 20 years is once every 4 years. thats not a signature. IMHO we need to shroten lists like signature moves and nicknames. LessThanClippers ( talk) 23:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Erase the High Flying jump over the top rope. we could only come up with 4. 142.162.207.232 ( talk) 18:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Name some. 142.162.183.13 ( talk) 20:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This new markation of the Triangle choke - occasionally, bothers me. How is it signature, if its used that rare? OIk, yeah the buried alive match is rare, and a signature. But when i think triangle choke I don't think taker, and vice versa. I am proposing the removal of triangle choke completely, for reasons stated in my comments above. LessThanClippers ( talk) 20:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, as funny as it sounds, after watching a lot of his newer matches, I am gonna say, I think the triangle choke is a signature of his now. LessThanClippers ( talk) 20:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC) (I know I kNow I Know)
It should be noted a finisher, he's been relying on it to finish his opponents alot recently. Also, while listing the people who have fallen victim to the maneuver, you neglected to mention
Big Show. Even WWE emphasised on the move, saying how The Undertaker is looking leaner and incorporating a more technical aspect into his wrestling. They even went as far as to note the move in upper case letters, "Triangle Choke". As for Khali, note the only other thing to make him submit was Cena's STFU, a finishing move. In response to
this, I don't see how that would make it any less of a finisher.
Dlae│
here
16:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the triangle choke was also used in a Double Jeopardy match against Luther Reigns and Mark Jindrak, forcing Jindrak to sumbit, it was also used in the elimination chamber against bastista, but he avoided every attempt, so it's used a little more than you'd think. Armedhamster ( talk) 05:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Two things.
First, I think the chokeslam should be renamed at least "Goozle/Chokeslam" if not: "Goozle (Chokeslam)" It was called the goozle years ago and then Tazz brought the name back when he was on Smackdown.
Second, I think it should be placed as a finisher. While he didn't use it as a finish as often as the Last Ride and Tombstone, he used it Every time against large opponents he could never Tombstone. (Yokozuna, Gonzalez, Vader etc.)
Thoughts?
Fonz469 (
talk)
05:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Fonz469
It's hard to come up with sources as most of the matches he used it in as a finish weren't PPV matches. They were either televised (Raw) or Home Video matches. One example, though is IHY 5 when he beat Mable in a casket match using the chokeslam/goozle.
It's also hard to come up with examples of the term "goozle" being used for Taker's before Tazz had. But here's one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goozle
I believe it was used more often in the early to mid-90's before just being called a chokelsam then Tazz called it a goozle again. Most notably by Bobby Heenan 76.170.164.161 ( talk) 12:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC) Fonz469
Because this page is so long, I propose that we merge the theme music, nicknames, and signature taunts into the Personas of The Undertaker article. I think it makes more sense there anyway, as some of the taunts, music, and nicknames were only for particular personas. Not only would the merge shorten this page (which is well over the recommended maximum length) but it will cut down on some of the listy aspects of the page. Add # ~~~~ to your vote below. Nikki 311 13:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was merge. Nikki 311 14:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The debate was open for five days with no opposes. The debate is now closed. Nikki 311 14:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Why has this been changed to a poorly presented paragraph? 202.12.233.21 ( talk) 21:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This article over uses the term. Not only that, but it makes it written in passive prose, instead of saying, he defeated hogan, he was booked to defeat hogan. It is adding unnecessary length to the article. I think we all know that pro-wrestling matches are works, and can get past that, and still make this article a better article. Since I am new to editing PW articles, I want opinions before I start cleaning it up. LessThanClippers ( talk) 19:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Triple H dropped the WWE Championship to Vince McMahon on the September 16, 1999 edition of SmackDown! before regaining it at Unforgiven in a Six-Pack Challenge that included Davey Boy Smith, Big Show, Kane, The Rock, and Mankind. He defeated Stone Cold Steve Austin at No Mercy 1999 before dropping the title to The Big Show at Survivor Series 1999. LessThanClippers ( talk) 23:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way to address it all at once? Not really. All of the GAs are written "out-of-universe". The sentence you pulled from HHH's article uses the word "dropped", which means that a wrestler agrees to lose a title to another wrestler. That is another option for writing "out-of-universe". Also, HHH's article also uses the word "booked". Nikki 311 23:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, and although dropped is a term that means they agree to it, dropped also, in sports terms, just means losing the match, so maybe there it just sounds a little better. I definitely will go through and change the wording some though, its very stagnant in this article. LessThanClippers ( talk) 02:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Since I'm still new at this, I just want to make sure before I go ahead and make this change. Shouldn't "kayfabe" only be linked once? It currently is linked every time it appears in the article. I can quickly fix this if I am correct. Thanks. LessThanClippers ( talk) 17:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have information regarding the storylines (not just who he feuded with, but what the plots were) or maybe a little more about the persona? I think that would really help this article. I'll do some research, but I really have never seen any. LessThanClippers ( talk) 18:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
In an effort to curtail nickname lists, and clean up the ridiculous length of this article, I am reccomending the following changes... Keep The Phenom, The Deadman, and 'Taker bold as they are currently used and most common. Keep The American Bad Ass and Big Evil, unbolded, as they are out of date or rarely used anymore. remove, Grim Reaper and Reaper, without sourcing, I really can't ever really remember that as a nickname. Remove Booger Red, even though it is sourced, it is a 1 time comment, and is not a true nickname, its more an issue of trivia, and should probably be removed. However, it might make for interesting extra info in the prose. Remove Red Devil, Demon of Death Valley and Lord of Darkness, no mention in article and no sourcing.
Any comments? LessThanClippers ( talk) 23:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note about sourcing: youtube can't be used as a source because of copyright issues. Also, when adding citations, it is best to use a citation template. Nikki 311 02:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
This page lists Undertaker teaming with Spivey in the WCW days and going by the name The Skyscrapers. Spivey's page lists The Skyscrapers as Spivey and Sid Vicious. With neither being sourced, was wondering if anyone had any of this info. I can research it once I get home (have limited internet at the office) LessThanClippers ( talk) 22:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The actual Skyscrapers article notes it in several places that UT replaced Vicious after an injury; he competed in a PPV match against the Road Warriors. When Spivey suddenly left WCW, he was in turn replaced by a masked Mike Enos, but the team disbanded shortly after when Calaway went to singles and after Lex Luger's US Title. Enigmatic2k3 ( talk) 06:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks.... LessThanClippers ( talk) 18:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I doubt there is much mroe info out there. Should we remove the expansion tags? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LessThanClippers ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Does 2008 really need its own section at this time. IO don't see a signifigant change in his persona/path, so I would rather incorporate this into 2006-2008 until such time it is necessary. Thoughts? LessThanClippers ( talk) 01:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
While Dangerous Danny Spivey was a member of The Skyscrapers, the greatesy level of success came when it was Mean Mark and Sid Vicious. I can't give specifics - but I do recall that they were my favorite tag team at that time (surpassing Road Warriors - which was a major accomplishment) - and won the Belt at least once. Sorry to embellish - but this profile of The Skyscrapers could not be devoid of Sid Vicious. Upward ( talk) 04:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)upward and he was a freak of nature —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.170.145 ( talk) 07:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know the name of the choke The Undertaker put on Big Daddy V on Smackdown. If you do can someone add it to his finishers list. Fresh Prince Carlton ( talk) 16:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The new chokehold is a gogoplata —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.212.70.122 ( talk) 14:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
2007-2008 section, second paragraph:
On the January 4, 2008 Edition of SmackDown! The Undertaker competed in a Beat the Clock challenge for the number one contention for the World Heavyweight Championship at the Royal Rumble against Mark Henry with Matt Striker as the Special Guest Referee The Undertaker had 6 Minutes and 2 Seconds to beat Mark Henry with 15 Seconds left on the clock The Undertaker performed a chokeslam and Striker began the count and stopped before the 3-count was completed and ran out The Undertakers time and removed his chances at competing for the World Heavyweight Championship.
As you can see, it's very poorly written. I'd rewrite it myself so that it wasn't some gigantic, endless mess of words, but the article is protected, and I don't have an account. 67.142.130.42 ( talk) 05:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
WWF Debut
He is incorrectly listed as "Kane the Underatker, it was Cain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.44.9 ( talk) 22:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Before we get into an edit war over this, we should try and establish which move it is: Gogoplata or modified Triangle Choke? P.S. Leave Triangle Choke as a signature move as he does not finish his matches with it (including Big Daddy V and Mark Henry), this move was different. Lemon Demon ( talk) 02:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Death of undertaker
undert5aker died of a steroid overdose in phoenix, Az
Gogoplata put the gogoplata back as as a Signature or finishing move. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee it is not a triangle choke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver3 ( talk • contribs) 13:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to request a move for this article so the title corresponds with the subject's true name, Mark William Calaway, and use The Undertaker as a redirect. This seems more reasonable to me. <3 bunny 03:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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yup PayneXKiller 13:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the top photo be updated, showing one with his current gimmick, as opposed to a gimmick he hasn't had for three years? Taker04 ( talk) 08:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
No mention of their winning the championships together. Explain... Lex94 Talk Contributions Guest Book 23:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes i agree, the picture should be changed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.135.3 ( talk) 20:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
It doesnt really make a Triangle Choke a finishing moves because he only used it one match to make The Great Khali tap out SocialistRevolution ( talk) 00:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
^^ That was 2003, not 2002. But yeah its not a finisher just a signature move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dickdickdickdike ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
^^^Are you serious, 3 times and its signature over a 15 year pro career? LessThanClippers ( talk) 06:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC) ^^^Yes. Its a signature move. He only uses it when he needs too (e.g giving it to angle), the reason he gave it to Angle is because Angle is a submission wrestler so he will trade holds. He did it to Khali because he couldn't lift him (kayfabe) and he did it to bob orton so he would be knocked out, thus letting Taker put him in the casket. It's a signature move, it's just that he only does it when neccesary. 142.162.207.136 ( talk) 18:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
^^^^No its not a signature move. It just means hes a talented wrestler who knows a move that will help him win in that case. 3 times in 15 years says, he knows the move, its not a signature of the undertaker. Its stuff like this that is cluttering move lists, and the page as a whole. LessThanClippers ( talk) 20:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
1. Angle NWO 06
2. Angle SD 03
3. Khali SD 07
4. Batista CS 07
5. Bob Orton NM 05
Is 5 enough? If not then I dont think that jump over the top rope should be a signature move. I can't even get 5 for that.
1. Kane WM20
2. Kane Inferno UFG 08
3. Michaels GS 97 142.162.207.62 ( talk) 18:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
4. Henry Mania 22 142.162.207.62 ( talk) 18:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Really, even 5 over 20 years is once every 4 years. thats not a signature. IMHO we need to shroten lists like signature moves and nicknames. LessThanClippers ( talk) 23:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Erase the High Flying jump over the top rope. we could only come up with 4. 142.162.207.232 ( talk) 18:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Name some. 142.162.183.13 ( talk) 20:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This new markation of the Triangle choke - occasionally, bothers me. How is it signature, if its used that rare? OIk, yeah the buried alive match is rare, and a signature. But when i think triangle choke I don't think taker, and vice versa. I am proposing the removal of triangle choke completely, for reasons stated in my comments above. LessThanClippers ( talk) 20:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, as funny as it sounds, after watching a lot of his newer matches, I am gonna say, I think the triangle choke is a signature of his now. LessThanClippers ( talk) 20:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC) (I know I kNow I Know)
It should be noted a finisher, he's been relying on it to finish his opponents alot recently. Also, while listing the people who have fallen victim to the maneuver, you neglected to mention
Big Show. Even WWE emphasised on the move, saying how The Undertaker is looking leaner and incorporating a more technical aspect into his wrestling. They even went as far as to note the move in upper case letters, "Triangle Choke". As for Khali, note the only other thing to make him submit was Cena's STFU, a finishing move. In response to
this, I don't see how that would make it any less of a finisher.
Dlae│
here
16:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the triangle choke was also used in a Double Jeopardy match against Luther Reigns and Mark Jindrak, forcing Jindrak to sumbit, it was also used in the elimination chamber against bastista, but he avoided every attempt, so it's used a little more than you'd think. Armedhamster ( talk) 05:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Two things.
First, I think the chokeslam should be renamed at least "Goozle/Chokeslam" if not: "Goozle (Chokeslam)" It was called the goozle years ago and then Tazz brought the name back when he was on Smackdown.
Second, I think it should be placed as a finisher. While he didn't use it as a finish as often as the Last Ride and Tombstone, he used it Every time against large opponents he could never Tombstone. (Yokozuna, Gonzalez, Vader etc.)
Thoughts?
Fonz469 (
talk)
05:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Fonz469
It's hard to come up with sources as most of the matches he used it in as a finish weren't PPV matches. They were either televised (Raw) or Home Video matches. One example, though is IHY 5 when he beat Mable in a casket match using the chokeslam/goozle.
It's also hard to come up with examples of the term "goozle" being used for Taker's before Tazz had. But here's one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goozle
I believe it was used more often in the early to mid-90's before just being called a chokelsam then Tazz called it a goozle again. Most notably by Bobby Heenan 76.170.164.161 ( talk) 12:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC) Fonz469
Because this page is so long, I propose that we merge the theme music, nicknames, and signature taunts into the Personas of The Undertaker article. I think it makes more sense there anyway, as some of the taunts, music, and nicknames were only for particular personas. Not only would the merge shorten this page (which is well over the recommended maximum length) but it will cut down on some of the listy aspects of the page. Add # ~~~~ to your vote below. Nikki 311 13:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was merge. Nikki 311 14:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The debate was open for five days with no opposes. The debate is now closed. Nikki 311 14:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Why has this been changed to a poorly presented paragraph? 202.12.233.21 ( talk) 21:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This article over uses the term. Not only that, but it makes it written in passive prose, instead of saying, he defeated hogan, he was booked to defeat hogan. It is adding unnecessary length to the article. I think we all know that pro-wrestling matches are works, and can get past that, and still make this article a better article. Since I am new to editing PW articles, I want opinions before I start cleaning it up. LessThanClippers ( talk) 19:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Triple H dropped the WWE Championship to Vince McMahon on the September 16, 1999 edition of SmackDown! before regaining it at Unforgiven in a Six-Pack Challenge that included Davey Boy Smith, Big Show, Kane, The Rock, and Mankind. He defeated Stone Cold Steve Austin at No Mercy 1999 before dropping the title to The Big Show at Survivor Series 1999. LessThanClippers ( talk) 23:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way to address it all at once? Not really. All of the GAs are written "out-of-universe". The sentence you pulled from HHH's article uses the word "dropped", which means that a wrestler agrees to lose a title to another wrestler. That is another option for writing "out-of-universe". Also, HHH's article also uses the word "booked". Nikki 311 23:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, and although dropped is a term that means they agree to it, dropped also, in sports terms, just means losing the match, so maybe there it just sounds a little better. I definitely will go through and change the wording some though, its very stagnant in this article. LessThanClippers ( talk) 02:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Since I'm still new at this, I just want to make sure before I go ahead and make this change. Shouldn't "kayfabe" only be linked once? It currently is linked every time it appears in the article. I can quickly fix this if I am correct. Thanks. LessThanClippers ( talk) 17:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have information regarding the storylines (not just who he feuded with, but what the plots were) or maybe a little more about the persona? I think that would really help this article. I'll do some research, but I really have never seen any. LessThanClippers ( talk) 18:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
In an effort to curtail nickname lists, and clean up the ridiculous length of this article, I am reccomending the following changes... Keep The Phenom, The Deadman, and 'Taker bold as they are currently used and most common. Keep The American Bad Ass and Big Evil, unbolded, as they are out of date or rarely used anymore. remove, Grim Reaper and Reaper, without sourcing, I really can't ever really remember that as a nickname. Remove Booger Red, even though it is sourced, it is a 1 time comment, and is not a true nickname, its more an issue of trivia, and should probably be removed. However, it might make for interesting extra info in the prose. Remove Red Devil, Demon of Death Valley and Lord of Darkness, no mention in article and no sourcing.
Any comments? LessThanClippers ( talk) 23:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note about sourcing: youtube can't be used as a source because of copyright issues. Also, when adding citations, it is best to use a citation template. Nikki 311 02:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
This page lists Undertaker teaming with Spivey in the WCW days and going by the name The Skyscrapers. Spivey's page lists The Skyscrapers as Spivey and Sid Vicious. With neither being sourced, was wondering if anyone had any of this info. I can research it once I get home (have limited internet at the office) LessThanClippers ( talk) 22:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The actual Skyscrapers article notes it in several places that UT replaced Vicious after an injury; he competed in a PPV match against the Road Warriors. When Spivey suddenly left WCW, he was in turn replaced by a masked Mike Enos, but the team disbanded shortly after when Calaway went to singles and after Lex Luger's US Title. Enigmatic2k3 ( talk) 06:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks.... LessThanClippers ( talk) 18:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I doubt there is much mroe info out there. Should we remove the expansion tags? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LessThanClippers ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Does 2008 really need its own section at this time. IO don't see a signifigant change in his persona/path, so I would rather incorporate this into 2006-2008 until such time it is necessary. Thoughts? LessThanClippers ( talk) 01:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
While Dangerous Danny Spivey was a member of The Skyscrapers, the greatesy level of success came when it was Mean Mark and Sid Vicious. I can't give specifics - but I do recall that they were my favorite tag team at that time (surpassing Road Warriors - which was a major accomplishment) - and won the Belt at least once. Sorry to embellish - but this profile of The Skyscrapers could not be devoid of Sid Vicious. Upward ( talk) 04:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)upward and he was a freak of nature —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.170.145 ( talk) 07:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know the name of the choke The Undertaker put on Big Daddy V on Smackdown. If you do can someone add it to his finishers list. Fresh Prince Carlton ( talk) 16:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The new chokehold is a gogoplata —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.212.70.122 ( talk) 14:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
2007-2008 section, second paragraph:
On the January 4, 2008 Edition of SmackDown! The Undertaker competed in a Beat the Clock challenge for the number one contention for the World Heavyweight Championship at the Royal Rumble against Mark Henry with Matt Striker as the Special Guest Referee The Undertaker had 6 Minutes and 2 Seconds to beat Mark Henry with 15 Seconds left on the clock The Undertaker performed a chokeslam and Striker began the count and stopped before the 3-count was completed and ran out The Undertakers time and removed his chances at competing for the World Heavyweight Championship.
As you can see, it's very poorly written. I'd rewrite it myself so that it wasn't some gigantic, endless mess of words, but the article is protected, and I don't have an account. 67.142.130.42 ( talk) 05:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
WWF Debut
He is incorrectly listed as "Kane the Underatker, it was Cain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.44.9 ( talk) 22:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Before we get into an edit war over this, we should try and establish which move it is: Gogoplata or modified Triangle Choke? P.S. Leave Triangle Choke as a signature move as he does not finish his matches with it (including Big Daddy V and Mark Henry), this move was different. Lemon Demon ( talk) 02:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Death of undertaker
undert5aker died of a steroid overdose in phoenix, Az
Gogoplata put the gogoplata back as as a Signature or finishing move. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee it is not a triangle choke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver3 ( talk • contribs) 13:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to request a move for this article so the title corresponds with the subject's true name, Mark William Calaway, and use The Undertaker as a redirect. This seems more reasonable to me. <3 bunny 03:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)