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what you mean to say is TRIPLE!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.170.86.132 ( talk) 09:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
No. Treble is very much a word in this context. Treble has always been used in the Football context to refer to winning three top-flight trophies.
Anyone familiar with Football will have heard this word thrown about. While logically to an outsider 'triple' sounds like it'd be more proper, considering two trophies is called a double, it isn't called that. Its always called a treble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.89.60.226 ( talk) 15:45, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
The Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira is the equivalent of the Portuguese Charity Shield and is played over 1 game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superta%C3%A7a_C%C3%A2ndido_de_Oliveira
According to the article itself (first paragraph) such competitions are not taken into consideration when considering a treble.
Therefore, no Portuguese club thus far (May 16, 2014) has ever won the domestic treble. Will someone put this straight? Ta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.70.214 ( talk) 21:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I am removing the entries for the 'Domestic Treble' where the Portuguese Charity Shield/Supertaça is being used to complete the treble, for the reasons stated above. They don't belong in the list and whoever put them there knows it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.70.214 ( talk) 21:57, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I reverted it. The article needs to make up its mind; it says one think in the first paragraph and quite another in the 'Domestic treble' introductory paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.70.214 ( talk) 22:06, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Add Inter's treble picture instead of barca's, it's more relevant.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.85.80 ( talk) 14:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I took my time to see who won the main continental championships and how they did domestically that season. The biggest problem was that sometimes the, say, Asian championship ran during a calendar year but the domestic season ran during the traditional sept-may season. Or vice versa. In these cases, I usually went with the domestic calendar to establish when the "season" took place and saw if during that period the continental championship was won. Further, while I looked for Treble winners, I didn't look for Near Trebles or Other Trebles ie, teams that won say the domestic double and the continental Cup Winners Cup. This is a link to internationl competition lists, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28soccer%29_around_the_world And this is a link to the main continental championships, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:International_club_football_%28soccer%29_competitions Anyone else who has the time to see what other trebles or near trebles are out there, this is probably a good place to start. And anyone else who wants to see what continental trebles I might have overlooked because of my definition of a "single season," this would also be the place to start. Nygoodliving 05:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Anyone knows why Santos F.C. is in this list? In the 60's Brazil had only one national competion. That 'secondary' title is only their São Paulo state league. Vitorvec ( talk) 09:22, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this list is too long? I would suggest that the minimum requirement to be in this list would be to win one competition and be runners-up in two. What do others think? 212.140.167.99 14:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I definetly think a near treble should only be considered "near" if you make it to the final or are at least the runners-up in all three competitions. It actually began when someone listed the Leeds team in 1970, but they only reached the semifinals of the Euro Cup. I'd love to change it, but without more input, I don't want to take the time since someone will likely go back and just revert my changes. Anyone else want to weigh in? Nygoodliving 02:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this from near trebles
I agree that this section should only include winners and runners up. QF or SF shouldn't feature or the list just get too long! for example would also have to include Chelsea 2007 (RU League, FACup winners, SF European cup) and Manchester united 2007 (League winners, RU FACup, SF European cup
( Statto999 ( talk) 16:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC))
I also agree that this section is silly. Imagine an encylcopedia full of things that almost happened. I think the minimum requirement should be a win in TWO cups, and a final in the third. Trefalcon ( talk) 14:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Delete the whole tables? I mean it is not like they got the treble so why list those things here at all? -- Darth NormaN ( talk) 08:50, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Should Liverpool really be on the list, as the article says that the teams in the second list won a treble consisting of their domestic league, their major domestic cup competition and the European Cup/UEFA Champions League, but Liverpool won the Football League Cup, while the major domestic cup was the FA Cup, so they didn't do it as the article says?-- 84.12.24.98 15:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't agree with this - any domestic cup competition will do, so Liverpool do count. The discussion should not be swayed by Man Utd fans' views [I am neutral - my team has never won any kind of treble]. —the preceding unsigned comment is by 80.229.146.148 ( talk • contribs)
Should Liverpool's treble in 2001 of the UEFA Cup, FA Cup and League Cup count, since none of them are minor competitions. This has winning a major European trophy as well as winning the major domestic cup. Instead of the league, they won the league cup. And if Manchester United should be counted as a quadruple in 1999, then Liverpool should get a quintuple for 2001. Though both of these aren't 'The Treble', they are still trebles.
I suspect the argument will rage on; as the opening para indicates the treble should include winning the domestic league, I've added a note to Liverpool. Suggest either the opening para is amended, or the note is kept. Paulbrock 12:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
The opening para definitely needs changing if the treble 'only' refers to winning the FA Cup, the Champions League and the domestic League. "The Treble is a term in football that generally refers to a club winning their country's top tier league and two cup competitions in the same season." We can't have it both ways where the definition in the first para, does not match the contents of the article. I am talking specifically about Liverpool in 1984. I'm sure there are other cases, are there? So either Liverpool won a treble or not as per the definition? Change the definition by all means, but lets get the article correct. We all know fans of certain clubs will argue about definitions, but I know many Liverpool fans who were overjoyed when they won the 'treble' in 1984. They didn't make a song and dance about it for years, just like Celtic don't about the Quadruple.
Have altered the lead in paragraph to affirm that only primary competitions (e.g. Premier League, FA Cup & Champions League) qualify for entry into the table. However I have added a note beneath the table mentioning Lverpool in 1984 as a treble, noting that the League Cup is a secondary competition as I feel that this is a worthy accomplishment and should be mentioned.
Angry Mustelid ( talk) 23:48, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
so it was agreed that lfc never won the treble as the article states what it actually means, yet they just keep being put back in the article! Can someone remove it as above agreed and stop it being added, or can lfc fans just rewrite history?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.9.199 ( talk) 15:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
This makes no sense. They won the Russian League (League Championship), their country's major cup (Russian Cup) and then the UEFA Cup (European Cup). And yet they do not qualify??? This is complete nonesense... Put CSKA where they belong, and stop with the East vs West garbage...
Is the 2003 treble of FFC Frankfurt relevant? The article is about football, female football too, right? bneidror ( talk) 20:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Added back the near treble tables, we worked hard in the past and all that info is relevant to the article. Don't bother deleting it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.83.155.225 ( talk) 01:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
So don't add it!! Ridiculous... 131.111.53.24 ( talk) 20:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
No one said that the UEFA Cup/Europa League = European Cup/Champions League. so... UEFA Cup is garbage?? please EXPLAIN. -- Hydao ( talk) 20:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I am very confused here. For American teams, it lists the Supporters' Shield as the league title, MLS Cup as the domestic cup, and US Open Cup as other competition. That is backwards to me. The winner of the MLS Cup is considered champion of Major League Soccer, the US Open Cup is the domestic cup competition (as it incorporates teams from all over the American soccer pyramid), and the Supporters' Shield is an award given to the team with the best record in Major League Soccer, but that team is not champion of MLS. Could someone explain the reasoning behind this? Betito84 ( talk) 08:03, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
In the MLS, The MLS Cup is considered to be the primary league trophy, while the Supporters Shield is a secondary league trophy. The US Open Cup is a domestic cup just like the FA Cup.
What happened to the Sport Club Internacional (Brazil)? Won the Copa Libertadores (2006), FIFA World Cup (2006) and the Recopa Sudamericana (2007). Internacional was qualified to 2007 Recopa winning the 2006 Libertadores.
"Na temporada 2006, o Internacional voltou a igualar a contagem para os clubes sul-americanos, ao conquistar a sua Tríplice Coroa Internacional, a primeira registrada após a criação do Campeonato Mundial de Clubes (em substituição à Copa Intercontinental)." http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%ADplice_Coroa_Internacional_de_Futebol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.222.50.91 ( talk) 00:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
The Intercontinental cup is not a "true" world championship, it is more like a supercup and thus should not be considered in the World Treble section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.18.21.92 ( talk) 23:57, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
World Treble should not even be considered. The only way to get in to the Intercontinental Cup or Club World Cup is to become continental champions in the first place, demeriting the accomplishment. The reason a Continental Treble is a prestigious achievement is because the participation in the continental tournament depends on the previous season's league. 72.47.164.252 ( talk) 18:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
User:Bneidror asked in 2010 about the 1. FFC Frankfurt treble. VfL Wolfsburg (women) won a treble last season. Should women's football be included in this article or should it be its own separate article? Winning a league title, domestic cup, and continental title is a rare occasion in women's football too. EddieV2003 ( talk) 17:18, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
1st paragraph says that Trophy competitions, which consist of a single match or a two-leg match (Supercups for example), are generally not counted as part of a treble (which is true), but on the Domestic Trebles section this statement is contradicted.
Another point is that it is said "England the domestic Treble has never been achieved", however, several English clubs figure on the list.
The report about the Portuguese trebles points out some of these problems.
I also suggest that any clubs that "made" the treble using supercups, are removed from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.37.215.28 ( talk) 03:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't see why 1983-84 Liverpool's treble shouldn't be added when we have 2 Porto's treble with Uefa Cup/Europa League, since both competitions are secondary cups. There's sources for both, so I don't get the point about this issue. ABC paulista ( talk) 21:26, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Please add in continental treble for 2014. [User:ABC paulista|ABC paulista]] ( talk) 20:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.18.21.92 ( talk)
What a mess this article is. There are only 7 sides(Celtic, Ajax, PSV, Man Utd, Barcelona, Inter and Bayern)that have won the true UEFA Treble which consists of the local Premier League, Premier Cup and Premier European Competition. Who has destroyed this article? The UEFA Cup and League Cups? Seriously. This is tragic. Rsamra ( talk) 15:57, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
References
What is the origin or etimology of the term? David1776 ( talk) 20:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
FC Barcelona have won the European Cup, Cup Winners Cup, and the Fairs Cup, which was the predecessor of the UEFA Cup, so rather surprising that UEFA don't consider them to have won the European treble? Culloty82 ( talk) 21:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@ SYSS Mouse: and @ Mpjmcevoybeta: I want to understand why that info about Toronto's domestic treble is relevant to the article. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what three competitions those teams won as long these two conditions are met: 1) The team won the top-tier league and 2) The other two competitions aren't supercup-like ones. So, I don't see why that kind of info should be included here, or how such distinction is important at all. ABC paulista ( talk) 03:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I think there should be a mentioning like this:
It is very rare that players of a team that wins a treble also win a cup with their national team in the same year. Hans van Breukelen, Berry van Aerle, Ronald Koeman, Gerald Vanenburg and Wim Kieft combined a PSV 1987–88 treble with a Euro 1988 cup with the Netherlands. Essam El-Hadary, Ahmad El-Sayed, Mohamed Abdelwahab, Hassan Mostafa, Emad Moteab, Mohamed Shawky, Mohamed Barakat, Wael Gomaa and Mohamed Aboutreika combined a Al-Ahly treble with a 2006 Africa Cup of Nations with Egypt.
There used to be a text like this in older versions of this page before december 2017, somehow it got wiped out. Surely everybody can see it is very special when a player combines a treble with their club with a cup with their national squad; it happened only once in European soccer and only once in African soccer.
Who seconds me in favour of adding this text?
Joske79 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joske79 ( talk • contribs) 09:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Need some advice on Linfield F.C. The current edit incorrectly has them on two trebles, counting the County Antrim Shield as one of the three trophies. While most trebles include a league cup, NI did not actually have a league cup competition until 1987. Since then, Linfield have won three trebles of league, cup, and league cup - in 1994, 2006 and 2008. Surely these trebles would take precedence over those achieved with other minor trophies?
However, If the County Antrim Shield (a minor regional competition) is also considered to be a valid competition to include in a treble, then the club would be on 10 trebles in total. Which one is correct, because two certainly isn't? It's either three or ten, depending on whether the Shield is included. Reddev87 ( talk) 05:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Stop adding Tokyo Verdy as treble team Tokyo Verdy won Champions league in 87/88 and Emperor's Cup in 87/88 but not the league in 87/88 (they were 5th position) Though they won league in 86/87 season which gave them opportunity to enter Champions league 87/88 So far, no team have treble in AFC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.172.233.32 ( talk) 06:40, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Tokyo Verdy | J1 League | Emperor's Cup | Asian Club Championship |
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1986-87 season | 1st Place | Winner | Did not participate |
1987-88 season | 5th Place | Winner | Winner |
Yomiuri | Japan Soccer League | Emperor's Cup | Asian Club Championship |
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1986 season | 9th Place | Winner | Did not participate |
1987 season | Winner | Winner | Winner |
1988 season | 5th Place | Quarterfinalist | Tournament not held |
Competition | From | To | Yomiuri's result |
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1986–87 Japan Soccer League | 25 October 1986 | 17 May 1987 | Champions |
1987 Asian Club Championship | June 1987 | Champions were decided in January 1988 | Champions |
1987 Emperor's Cup | 19 December 1987 | 1 January 1988 | Champions |
1987–88 Japan Soccer League | 17 October 1987 | 22 May 1988 | 5th place |
ABC paulista The "1987 season" included 1987–88 league. It was definitely not 1986–87 league. Competitions' periods and club's history explain this, whereas AFC did not say anything. Anyway, Yomiuri's treble was uncertain due to divergent contents unlike other clubs, and is inappropriate in the article.-- Pinineeon ( talk) 23:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks. Is it about time we recognized the above as a type of treble? We have 14 teams across South America & Europe achieving this feat, including Manchester United from 1999 team.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.116.50 ( talk) 18:24, 7 February 2020 (SGT)
Neither of the tables are sorting for me, besides the conference. I can't see what is wrong. Is it working for anyone else? —Мандичка YO 😜 17:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Pinging editors who have recently made this type of change: @ ABC paulista:, @ S.A. Julio:, and @ Timontasty:, I feel that the separation into men's and women's tables is absolutely necessary. I agree with some of the comments saying that it's necessary for clarity and consistency with other Wikipedia articles. GrammarDamner how are things? 16:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
In Treble concept, Below description is very important. There are too many examples. no sources needed. Don't delete this description.
In Europeon football, Club's single season period and competition's single season period are same. But in other continental football, Not all club's single season period and competition's single season are same. (e.g. 2019–20 Al-Hilal FC season and 2019 AFC Champions League, 2018–19 C.F. Monterrey season and 2019 CONCACAF Champions League). Footwiks ( talk) 16:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Footwiks, you re-reverted my edit, thus already violating WP:BRD, arguing that no sources are needed, severily contradicting WP:RS and WP:V (both state that all info must be sourced, period). And the info you added contain some wrong info: The contradiction aren't between club's and continental seasons, but between domestic and continental seasons, cubs only follow either of them. And also, not all european's season follow the same UEFA season, like the Russian and the Swedish ones, for example. ABC paulista ( talk) 16:33, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
In your logic, below description don't have source. Do I delete it?
A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three trophies in a single season. 16:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Let me explain why I amended and added the description.
In European football, Club's single season period and domestic competition's single season period and continental competition's single season period are almost same. (As you mentioned, There are exceptions. Swedish Allsvenskan, But that's not the point here.)
Therefore, Trebles in European football, Mostly, There is no room for dissent.
But In other continental football, Club's single season period and domestic competition's single season period and continental competition's single season period are not always same.
Therefore, it can be confusing.
In order to prevent confusion, I amended clearly and added description. Because there are many examples, My description don't need source.
A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three trophies in a single season
=>
A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three competitions in a club's single season
The point is not a just single season but a club's single season.
Within a period of club's single season, if club wins three competitions, treble is validated.
Let me explain with examples
=> FC Bayern Munich won full 3 competitions / Full competition means that club's single season period = competitions single season period.
There is no room for dissent.
=> Al-Hilal won full 2 competitions (2019–20 Saudi Professional League and 2019–20 King Cup)
=> Al-Hilal won imperfect 1 competition (2019 AFC Champions League)
Strictly speaking, Success at the 2019 AFC Champions League Group stage is the achievement of Al-Hilal's 2018–19 season squad.
But Because success at the 2019 AFC Champions League Knockout stage is the achievement of Al-Hilal's 2019–20 season squad, Like manager of final match takes all honour, not sharing with fired former manager. I agreed that Al-Hilal's treble
=> C.F. Monterrey won full 1 competition (2019 CONCACAF Champions League / 19 February – 1 May 2019)
=> C.F. Monterrey won full 2 competitions (2019–20 Liga MX and 2019–20 Copa MX)
In conclusion, C.F. Monterrey didn't win 3 competitions in club's sing season and this treble article have wrong information currently.
I know some newspaper reported that C.F. Monterrey achieved a treble. (eg: https://www.tudn.mx/copa-mx/rayados-1-1-xolos-marcador-resumen-goles-monterrey-titulo-triplete) But this source made a mistake.
If C.F. Monterrey achieved a treble, By the same logic, Red Star Belgrade also achieved a treble ( 1990–91 Yugoslav First League, 1989–90 Yugoslav Cup, 1990–91 European Cup
If you compare below tables. you can understand what I mean.
Finaly, my contribution is necessary for clarifying the concept of treble and C.F. Monterrey must be deleted in the Continental trebles list.
Competition | First match | Last match | Starting round | Final position | Record | |||||||
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Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD | Win % | |||||
Bundesliga | 16 August 2019 | 27 June 2020 | Matchday 1 | Winners | 34 | 26 | 4 | 4 | 100 | 32 | +68 | 76.47 |
DFB-Pokal | 12 August 2019 | 4 July 2020 | First round | Winners | 6 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 8 | +8 | 100.00 |
DFL-Supercup | 3 August 2019 | Final | Runners-up | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | −2 | 0.00 | |
Champions League | 18 September 2019 | 23 August 2020 | Group stage | Winners | 11 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 43 | 8 | +35 | 100.00 |
Total | 52 | 43 | 4 | 5 | 159 | 50 | +109 | 82.69 |
Source: Competitions
Competition | Started round | Final position / round |
First match | Last match |
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Pro League | Matchday 1 | Winners | 23 August 2019 | 9 September 2020 |
King Cup | Round of 64 | Winners | 3 November 2019 | 29 November 2020 |
2019 Champions League | Round of 16 | Winners | 6 August 2019 | 24 November 2019 |
2020 Champions League | Group stage | Group stage (withdrew) | 10 February 2020 | 23 September 2020 |
FIFA Club World Cup | Second round | Fourth place | 14 December 2019 | 21 December 2019 |
Source:
Competitions
Competition | First match | Last match | Starting round | Final position | Record | |||||||
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Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD | Win % | |||||
Torneo Apertura | 21 July 2018 | 8 December 2018 | Matchday 1 | 5th | 21 | 12 | 3 | 6 | 29 | 20 | +9 | 57.14 |
Apertura Copa MX | 1 August 2018 | 31 October 2018 | Group stage | Runners-up | 8 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 14 | 6 | +8 | 62.50 |
Torneo Clausura | 5 January 2019 | 18 May 2019 | Matchday 1 | 3rd | 21 | 10 | 6 | 5 | 35 | 23 | +12 | 47.62 |
CONCACAF Champions League | 20 February 2019 | 1 May 2019 | Round of 16 | Winners | 8 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 16 | 4 | +12 | 62.50 |
Total | 58 | 32 | 13 | 13 | 94 | 53 | +41 | 55.17 |
Last updated: 6 March 2019
Source:
Mediotiempo.com
Competition | First match | Last match | Starting round | Final position | Record | |||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD | Win % | |||||
Torneo Apertura | 20 July 2019 | 29 December 2019 | Matchday 1 | Winners | 24 | 12 | 4 | 8 | 39 | 29 | +10 | 50.00 |
Copa MX | 31 July 2019 | 4 November 2020 | Group stage | Winners | 10 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 22 | 8 | +14 | 80.00 |
Torneo Clausura | 18 January 2020 | Matchday 1 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 10 | 17 | −7 | 0.00 | ||
FIFA Club World Cup | 14 December 2019 | 21 December 2019 | Second round | Third place | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 6 | +0 | 33.33 |
Total | 47 | 21 | 11 | 15 | 77 | 60 | +17 | 44.68 |
Last updated: 24 April 2020
Source:
Mediotiempo.com
Footwiks ( talk) 18:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
if a standalone club's single season concept doesn't exist, How do you explain them? So many football club season articles in wikipedia and somethings about club's new season (eg 2020-21 season squad photo, 2019-20 season jersey, 2020-21 season jersey)
Most football clubs synchronise their club season (period or schedule) with domestic league season (period or schedule). Because domestic league is the basic competition to participate. Especially, In Euorepeon football, Most football club's single season period and Domestic competiotions period and UEFA competitions period are same. Therefor, There’s no need to make such fine distinctions In Euorepeon football.
For examples. But In Asian football, Club's single season period and domestic single seaon period are same. Club's single season period and AFC cometition period are not same. Examples are belows;
=> 2001-2002 Asian club championship: September 2001– April 2002
=> 2019 AFC Champions League: March 2019–November 2019
In this cases, We can adopt period including final match. If South korean club won 2002 Domestic Leauge, 2002 Korean FA Cup, 2001-02 Asian club Champinship, They achived the treble
Club's single season is very important meaning at the concept of treble.
Within club's single season, If they won 3 competitions, This is the treble and simple concept. In European football, There is no room for dissent. Because most club's single season period and 3 competitions single season period are same.
But, there are exceptions in other counties (including few European country), Below descripstion(Header info) is needed.
A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three competitions in a club's single season. In Europeon football, Club's single season period and competition's single season period are almost same. (e.g. 2019–20 FC Bayern Munich season, 2019–20 Bundesliga, 2019–20 DFB-Pokal and 2019–20 UEFA Champions League). But in other continental football, Not all club's single season period and competition's single season are same. (e.g. 2019–20 Al-Hilal FC season, 2019–20 Saudi Professional League, 2019–20 King Cup, 2019 AFC Champions League)
Let's ask others for their opinion
Footwiks ( talk) 03:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
ABC paulista I have a question. Description that you support - A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three trophies in a single season.
What is a clear meaning of phrase 'in a single season? Is this domestic leauge's single season period? or Is this confederation's champions League's single season period? or Is this a just single year period? Phrase - In a single seaons is the most important criterion for achievement of treble. But current Phrase - in a single season is very ambiguous. It can be confusing.
In order to prevent controversies about achievement of treble, Firstly We must find clear definition of in a single season or we must clearly define in a single season. Unless there is clarification regarding the definition of phrase in a single season, The controversies are will be continued without end. Footwiks ( talk) 05:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
ABC paulista Participants are only you and me in this discussion. Let's discuss this issue(in a single season) in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football in the near future. Footwiks ( talk) 13:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
They are currently listed as having four, but three of them (2005–06, 2013–14, and 2014–15) were from winning the NZFC Minor Premiership, NZFC Grand Final, and the OFC Champions League. Only the 2022 treble came from them winning New Zealand's main cup competition (the Chatham Cup), the New Zealand National League (the NZFC's successor), and the OFC Champions League, but the second sentence of the article states "A continental treble involves winning the club's national league competition, main national cup competition, and main continental trophy". I believe their first three "trebles" should be removed from this list and possibly added as a footnote instead. This goes for fellow New Zealand club Waitakere United's treble in 2007–08 as well since the three competitions they won that season were also the Minor Premiership, the Grand Final, and the OFCCL. Geolojoey ( talk) 20:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
There is wrong information in this Article … I edited it twice but someone else keeps adding the wrong information again. Al Ahly Of Egypt has won the Treble Twice only … Its my club & I know it & all the sources confirm that too … Its only Two trebles 2006 & 2020 … Thx Moelshimy83 ( talk) 09:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Technically they should win all trophies within a season or a year, but they haven’t achieved that. The Saudi League in (19/20), the King’s Cup in (19/20). AFC Champions League in (2019). That doesn’t uphold to the rules of the treble. Because the AFC champions was won in a different year and season. It doesn’t make sense they qualified to it through the (17/18) league season, but they won it 2 seasons later? In Erupean Champions League the winner of the (19/20) season Bayern, Qualified to it through the (18/19) Bundesliga season. Ulsan Hyundai FC are the ones that won the (2020) AFC Champions League. Not Al-Hilal. @ ABC paulista Kh4l2ed ( talk) 22:04, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Regardless of what "sources" say, the Mariners only won a single trophy that would be part of a Continental or Domestic Treble that we list on this article. The listings here aren't every team that has won three trophies in a season. If that were true it would be filled with teams who won a main cup or league as well as pre-season exhibition cups, one-off super cups, league cups or teams in countries with weird systems that have trophies for winning Apertura\Clausura splits & regional cups like in South America. Did they win "three trophies". Yes. Is that what this article is for listing? No. The AFC Cup "is the second-tier competition of Asian club football", it is not the "main continental trophy". The Australia Cup is the "main domestic cup competition" in Australia, and the Mariners were knocked out in their first game. And for clarity sake, they didn't win a regulation Double (association football) either, once again because the Australia Cup is the domestic cup. QED. Macktheknifeau ( talk) 09:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Although winning a second-tier continental trophy (e.g. Europa League) has also been described as a continental treble, it is not as widely accepted.This is also mentioned in the article. Nevertheless, there should be no deviations for a second-tier continental treble from the other two needed achievements:
EUROPA LEAGUE: The longest road to the title. The small treble of championship, cup and UEFA Cup or Europa League has so far only been won by IFK Göteborg (1982), Galatasaray (2000), FC Porto (2003 and 2011) and CSKA Moscow (2005). If everything goes according to plan, Leverkusen still have five games left in this competition.
In 14 cases, the continental trophy in consideration was the main one (Champions’ Cup/League), in the remaining 5 cases (which can be defined as “small trebles”) the 2nd by importance, UEFA Cup/Europa League (these cases are marked in grey in the table). Bayern, Barcelona and Al Ahly managed to make a treble twice; Porto made two “small trebles”.
Bayer Leverkusen are German champions and have all the trump cards in their hand to win the so-called "small treble" of the championship, the DFB Cup and the Europa League this season.
With the second major treble (winning the championship, cup and Europa League is referred to as a "small treble") after the one under legendary coach Jupp Heynckes (2012/13)
as in the case of Bayer Leverkusen - when it comes to the Bundesliga, DFB Cup and the Europa League. This variant is now often referred to as a "small triple".
*These clubs have won the treble of national championship, national cup and UEFA Cup or UEFA Europa League
Hello @ ABC paulista:, Regarding Nadroga, the source the source here explicitly says that the domestic treble in Fiji consists of the Fiji Premier League, Fiji FA Cup, Inter-District Championship:
For this to happen, the Delta Tigers need to win two more of the three titles still to be played this year: Vodafone Premier League, Inter-District Championship and Fiji FACT....
Therefore, it is a Domestic treble, according to the sources, which proves that the club achieved the aforementioned titles in 1993.
Regarding Athletic Bilbao, you did not mention the reason for Reverting the edit, although it is clear that it is not a domestic treble because the Bizcaya Championship title is a regional competition, as well as unofficial, and therefore cannot include it in domestic treble.
Regarding the domestic treble introduction, this is considered an elaboration in more detail, because I have noticed that there are people who include the Super Cups as part of the domestic treble, so I see nothing to prevent it, especially since the second source that I included details about what the domestic treble is. -- Mishary94 ( talk) 01:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
A domestic treble involves winning three national competitions—including the league title, the primary cup competition, and one secondary competition, such as a secondary cup or state-level league., thus reginal and state-level competitions are usually accepted within domestic trebles, and the Biscay Championship was a official competition run by Regional Federations that were all under the Royal Spanish Football Federation, thus being official within the spanish football structure.
A domestic treble involves winning three national competitions—normally the league title, the primary cup competition, and one secondary competition, so it doesn't specify what kind of secondary competition is being considered, thus it doesn't outwright deny the eligibility of regional titles. ABC paulista ( talk) 02:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Fiji doubles consisted of league and IDC; Trebles additionally include BOG.
For this to happen, the Delta Tigers need to win two more of the three titles still to be played this year: Vodafone Premier League, Inter-District Championship and Fiji FACT....
In the beginning, you asked me for a source that defines the treble for the countries (Fiji, for example), and now you say that we cannot rely on one source because the sources differ in their definition of the treble. What do you want me to do? I relied on the most reliable source, which is the RSSSF organization, which completed its thirtieth year this year, so if there is a disagreement in the treble for a specific country, it is more correct to open a new discussion for that country.
All respect and appreciation to you in your real life, and we do not ask you to quickly discuss with us, but we oppose retrieving the edits because you are creating a dispute out of nowhere. -- Mishary94 ( talk) 22:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Al-Ittihad witnessed a golden era in the mid-nineties AD after the club won the treble (Premier League, Crown Prince Cup, and Saudi Federation Cup) in 1997), 2018's Al-Duhail (
Al Duhail players and officials celebrate their domestic treble — QNB Stars League, Qatar Cup and Amir Cup — at their club on Sunday evening.), Toronto FC (
Toronto FC win first domestic treble in MLS history) and Libertad (
Copa Paraguay: Libertad won the triple crown).
Note that winning Apertura and Clausura tournaments in one season is not considered a double win as both are league tournaments.RSSF- Argentina 'Doubles'
In South America ( CONMEBOL ), the considered "treble" includes the national championship, Copa Libertadores and Intercontinental Cup or Club World Cup.[6]
in Asia ...assume that these can have multiple forms of domestic treble
that winning Apertura and Clausura tournaments in one season is not considered a double win as both are league tournaments, but that doesn't hold any bearing on the treble. In both Libertad and 2013's Atlético Nacional's cases they won their respective national cups, so their treble cases still stand.
The sources also never speak of a domestic treble, so that would be WP:OR to label three title wins as a treble in this article, which would also contradict with the other sources.- They don't contradict because the sources don't exclude the possibility of non-national competitons being part of domestic trebles, which I said many times in this discussions and getting kinda tired of repeating myself.
In general, in Brazil the term "triple crown" is used to win any three official titles in the same season. [...] An example what is maybe considered in South America as a treble, but not belongs to the article.- Outside Europe the usage of terms like "continental treble" and "domestic trebles" is way less common, usually these instances are just referred as "treble", so I don't think it would be fair to exclude them because of such linguistical and cultural differences.
We should really be very strict about something like this and not interpret it, as it is very subjective. It should be very clear which titles belong to the domestic treble. A source for that have to be found.- Let's make an hypotetical: A team of Hong Kong wins a domestic treble by winning the Premier League, the FA Cup and the League Cup, later achieve a second treble by winning the Sapling Cup instead of the League Cup, then later it won another domestic treble by winning the Senior Shield algonside the Premier League and the FA Cup. Then, in one season, the team wins all five of them, and the source state that it achieved a domestic treble, but doesn't state which competitions constitute the treble. How it should be handled in this article? ABC paulista ( talk) 00:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
In the context of editing an article, cherrypicking, in a negative sense, means selecting information without including contradictory or significant qualifying information from the same source and consequently misrepresenting what the source says.
FYI: @ ABC paulista and Mishary94: Regarding the clubs removed for the domestic trebles (including the South American Triple Crowns), I have contacted the RSSSF and asked for an explanation for their absence. Perhaps there will be an update on RSSSF soon that might defuse some of the discussion. Miria~01 ( talk) 13:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Mishary94, could you please explain why you removed the Australian trebles? Your argument doesn't hold up when the Premiership and Grand Final are awarded separately from each other and the presented sources do consider them as separate titles. Also, the continental trebles of both Auckland City and Waitakere United from New Zealand are included here and both include Premiership and Grand Final, and I don't see any current objections from them. ABC paulista ( talk) 03:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Mishary94, could you please explain why Al-Duhail needs to include the Qatari Stars Cup? Where it's written that a domestic treble can't be comprised of the Emir Cup and the Quatar Cup? ABC paulista ( talk) 04:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I also agree. Originally, RSSSF is the source we rely on, but if there is another reliable source that contradicts the treble mentioned by RSSSF for a specific country, then I am in favor of changing the treble specific to that country.), while most of the other sources ( Goal.com, Oceania Football Center, for example) don't explicitally state that the secondary cup must be a league cup, they just statd that it must be a "secondary domestic cup" with no further specification, and per WP:WEIGHT we should give preference to the majority.
Mishary94, why Toronto's case can't be considered to be a treble when they are playing at the MLS? Even the MLS itself considers it a legit domestic treble. ABC paulista ( talk) 04:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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what you mean to say is TRIPLE!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.170.86.132 ( talk) 09:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
No. Treble is very much a word in this context. Treble has always been used in the Football context to refer to winning three top-flight trophies.
Anyone familiar with Football will have heard this word thrown about. While logically to an outsider 'triple' sounds like it'd be more proper, considering two trophies is called a double, it isn't called that. Its always called a treble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.89.60.226 ( talk) 15:45, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
The Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira is the equivalent of the Portuguese Charity Shield and is played over 1 game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superta%C3%A7a_C%C3%A2ndido_de_Oliveira
According to the article itself (first paragraph) such competitions are not taken into consideration when considering a treble.
Therefore, no Portuguese club thus far (May 16, 2014) has ever won the domestic treble. Will someone put this straight? Ta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.70.214 ( talk) 21:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I am removing the entries for the 'Domestic Treble' where the Portuguese Charity Shield/Supertaça is being used to complete the treble, for the reasons stated above. They don't belong in the list and whoever put them there knows it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.70.214 ( talk) 21:57, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I reverted it. The article needs to make up its mind; it says one think in the first paragraph and quite another in the 'Domestic treble' introductory paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.70.214 ( talk) 22:06, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Add Inter's treble picture instead of barca's, it's more relevant.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.85.80 ( talk) 14:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I took my time to see who won the main continental championships and how they did domestically that season. The biggest problem was that sometimes the, say, Asian championship ran during a calendar year but the domestic season ran during the traditional sept-may season. Or vice versa. In these cases, I usually went with the domestic calendar to establish when the "season" took place and saw if during that period the continental championship was won. Further, while I looked for Treble winners, I didn't look for Near Trebles or Other Trebles ie, teams that won say the domestic double and the continental Cup Winners Cup. This is a link to internationl competition lists, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28soccer%29_around_the_world And this is a link to the main continental championships, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:International_club_football_%28soccer%29_competitions Anyone else who has the time to see what other trebles or near trebles are out there, this is probably a good place to start. And anyone else who wants to see what continental trebles I might have overlooked because of my definition of a "single season," this would also be the place to start. Nygoodliving 05:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Anyone knows why Santos F.C. is in this list? In the 60's Brazil had only one national competion. That 'secondary' title is only their São Paulo state league. Vitorvec ( talk) 09:22, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this list is too long? I would suggest that the minimum requirement to be in this list would be to win one competition and be runners-up in two. What do others think? 212.140.167.99 14:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I definetly think a near treble should only be considered "near" if you make it to the final or are at least the runners-up in all three competitions. It actually began when someone listed the Leeds team in 1970, but they only reached the semifinals of the Euro Cup. I'd love to change it, but without more input, I don't want to take the time since someone will likely go back and just revert my changes. Anyone else want to weigh in? Nygoodliving 02:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed this from near trebles
I agree that this section should only include winners and runners up. QF or SF shouldn't feature or the list just get too long! for example would also have to include Chelsea 2007 (RU League, FACup winners, SF European cup) and Manchester united 2007 (League winners, RU FACup, SF European cup
( Statto999 ( talk) 16:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC))
I also agree that this section is silly. Imagine an encylcopedia full of things that almost happened. I think the minimum requirement should be a win in TWO cups, and a final in the third. Trefalcon ( talk) 14:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Delete the whole tables? I mean it is not like they got the treble so why list those things here at all? -- Darth NormaN ( talk) 08:50, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Should Liverpool really be on the list, as the article says that the teams in the second list won a treble consisting of their domestic league, their major domestic cup competition and the European Cup/UEFA Champions League, but Liverpool won the Football League Cup, while the major domestic cup was the FA Cup, so they didn't do it as the article says?-- 84.12.24.98 15:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't agree with this - any domestic cup competition will do, so Liverpool do count. The discussion should not be swayed by Man Utd fans' views [I am neutral - my team has never won any kind of treble]. —the preceding unsigned comment is by 80.229.146.148 ( talk • contribs)
Should Liverpool's treble in 2001 of the UEFA Cup, FA Cup and League Cup count, since none of them are minor competitions. This has winning a major European trophy as well as winning the major domestic cup. Instead of the league, they won the league cup. And if Manchester United should be counted as a quadruple in 1999, then Liverpool should get a quintuple for 2001. Though both of these aren't 'The Treble', they are still trebles.
I suspect the argument will rage on; as the opening para indicates the treble should include winning the domestic league, I've added a note to Liverpool. Suggest either the opening para is amended, or the note is kept. Paulbrock 12:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
The opening para definitely needs changing if the treble 'only' refers to winning the FA Cup, the Champions League and the domestic League. "The Treble is a term in football that generally refers to a club winning their country's top tier league and two cup competitions in the same season." We can't have it both ways where the definition in the first para, does not match the contents of the article. I am talking specifically about Liverpool in 1984. I'm sure there are other cases, are there? So either Liverpool won a treble or not as per the definition? Change the definition by all means, but lets get the article correct. We all know fans of certain clubs will argue about definitions, but I know many Liverpool fans who were overjoyed when they won the 'treble' in 1984. They didn't make a song and dance about it for years, just like Celtic don't about the Quadruple.
Have altered the lead in paragraph to affirm that only primary competitions (e.g. Premier League, FA Cup & Champions League) qualify for entry into the table. However I have added a note beneath the table mentioning Lverpool in 1984 as a treble, noting that the League Cup is a secondary competition as I feel that this is a worthy accomplishment and should be mentioned.
Angry Mustelid ( talk) 23:48, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
so it was agreed that lfc never won the treble as the article states what it actually means, yet they just keep being put back in the article! Can someone remove it as above agreed and stop it being added, or can lfc fans just rewrite history?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.9.199 ( talk) 15:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
This makes no sense. They won the Russian League (League Championship), their country's major cup (Russian Cup) and then the UEFA Cup (European Cup). And yet they do not qualify??? This is complete nonesense... Put CSKA where they belong, and stop with the East vs West garbage...
Is the 2003 treble of FFC Frankfurt relevant? The article is about football, female football too, right? bneidror ( talk) 20:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Added back the near treble tables, we worked hard in the past and all that info is relevant to the article. Don't bother deleting it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.83.155.225 ( talk) 01:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
So don't add it!! Ridiculous... 131.111.53.24 ( talk) 20:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
No one said that the UEFA Cup/Europa League = European Cup/Champions League. so... UEFA Cup is garbage?? please EXPLAIN. -- Hydao ( talk) 20:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I am very confused here. For American teams, it lists the Supporters' Shield as the league title, MLS Cup as the domestic cup, and US Open Cup as other competition. That is backwards to me. The winner of the MLS Cup is considered champion of Major League Soccer, the US Open Cup is the domestic cup competition (as it incorporates teams from all over the American soccer pyramid), and the Supporters' Shield is an award given to the team with the best record in Major League Soccer, but that team is not champion of MLS. Could someone explain the reasoning behind this? Betito84 ( talk) 08:03, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
In the MLS, The MLS Cup is considered to be the primary league trophy, while the Supporters Shield is a secondary league trophy. The US Open Cup is a domestic cup just like the FA Cup.
What happened to the Sport Club Internacional (Brazil)? Won the Copa Libertadores (2006), FIFA World Cup (2006) and the Recopa Sudamericana (2007). Internacional was qualified to 2007 Recopa winning the 2006 Libertadores.
"Na temporada 2006, o Internacional voltou a igualar a contagem para os clubes sul-americanos, ao conquistar a sua Tríplice Coroa Internacional, a primeira registrada após a criação do Campeonato Mundial de Clubes (em substituição à Copa Intercontinental)." http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%ADplice_Coroa_Internacional_de_Futebol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.222.50.91 ( talk) 00:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
The Intercontinental cup is not a "true" world championship, it is more like a supercup and thus should not be considered in the World Treble section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.18.21.92 ( talk) 23:57, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
World Treble should not even be considered. The only way to get in to the Intercontinental Cup or Club World Cup is to become continental champions in the first place, demeriting the accomplishment. The reason a Continental Treble is a prestigious achievement is because the participation in the continental tournament depends on the previous season's league. 72.47.164.252 ( talk) 18:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
User:Bneidror asked in 2010 about the 1. FFC Frankfurt treble. VfL Wolfsburg (women) won a treble last season. Should women's football be included in this article or should it be its own separate article? Winning a league title, domestic cup, and continental title is a rare occasion in women's football too. EddieV2003 ( talk) 17:18, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
1st paragraph says that Trophy competitions, which consist of a single match or a two-leg match (Supercups for example), are generally not counted as part of a treble (which is true), but on the Domestic Trebles section this statement is contradicted.
Another point is that it is said "England the domestic Treble has never been achieved", however, several English clubs figure on the list.
The report about the Portuguese trebles points out some of these problems.
I also suggest that any clubs that "made" the treble using supercups, are removed from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.37.215.28 ( talk) 03:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't see why 1983-84 Liverpool's treble shouldn't be added when we have 2 Porto's treble with Uefa Cup/Europa League, since both competitions are secondary cups. There's sources for both, so I don't get the point about this issue. ABC paulista ( talk) 21:26, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Please add in continental treble for 2014. [User:ABC paulista|ABC paulista]] ( talk) 20:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.18.21.92 ( talk)
What a mess this article is. There are only 7 sides(Celtic, Ajax, PSV, Man Utd, Barcelona, Inter and Bayern)that have won the true UEFA Treble which consists of the local Premier League, Premier Cup and Premier European Competition. Who has destroyed this article? The UEFA Cup and League Cups? Seriously. This is tragic. Rsamra ( talk) 15:57, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
References
What is the origin or etimology of the term? David1776 ( talk) 20:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
FC Barcelona have won the European Cup, Cup Winners Cup, and the Fairs Cup, which was the predecessor of the UEFA Cup, so rather surprising that UEFA don't consider them to have won the European treble? Culloty82 ( talk) 21:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@ SYSS Mouse: and @ Mpjmcevoybeta: I want to understand why that info about Toronto's domestic treble is relevant to the article. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what three competitions those teams won as long these two conditions are met: 1) The team won the top-tier league and 2) The other two competitions aren't supercup-like ones. So, I don't see why that kind of info should be included here, or how such distinction is important at all. ABC paulista ( talk) 03:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I think there should be a mentioning like this:
It is very rare that players of a team that wins a treble also win a cup with their national team in the same year. Hans van Breukelen, Berry van Aerle, Ronald Koeman, Gerald Vanenburg and Wim Kieft combined a PSV 1987–88 treble with a Euro 1988 cup with the Netherlands. Essam El-Hadary, Ahmad El-Sayed, Mohamed Abdelwahab, Hassan Mostafa, Emad Moteab, Mohamed Shawky, Mohamed Barakat, Wael Gomaa and Mohamed Aboutreika combined a Al-Ahly treble with a 2006 Africa Cup of Nations with Egypt.
There used to be a text like this in older versions of this page before december 2017, somehow it got wiped out. Surely everybody can see it is very special when a player combines a treble with their club with a cup with their national squad; it happened only once in European soccer and only once in African soccer.
Who seconds me in favour of adding this text?
Joske79 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joske79 ( talk • contribs) 09:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Need some advice on Linfield F.C. The current edit incorrectly has them on two trebles, counting the County Antrim Shield as one of the three trophies. While most trebles include a league cup, NI did not actually have a league cup competition until 1987. Since then, Linfield have won three trebles of league, cup, and league cup - in 1994, 2006 and 2008. Surely these trebles would take precedence over those achieved with other minor trophies?
However, If the County Antrim Shield (a minor regional competition) is also considered to be a valid competition to include in a treble, then the club would be on 10 trebles in total. Which one is correct, because two certainly isn't? It's either three or ten, depending on whether the Shield is included. Reddev87 ( talk) 05:00, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Stop adding Tokyo Verdy as treble team Tokyo Verdy won Champions league in 87/88 and Emperor's Cup in 87/88 but not the league in 87/88 (they were 5th position) Though they won league in 86/87 season which gave them opportunity to enter Champions league 87/88 So far, no team have treble in AFC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.172.233.32 ( talk) 06:40, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Tokyo Verdy | J1 League | Emperor's Cup | Asian Club Championship |
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1986-87 season | 1st Place | Winner | Did not participate |
1987-88 season | 5th Place | Winner | Winner |
Yomiuri | Japan Soccer League | Emperor's Cup | Asian Club Championship |
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1986 season | 9th Place | Winner | Did not participate |
1987 season | Winner | Winner | Winner |
1988 season | 5th Place | Quarterfinalist | Tournament not held |
Competition | From | To | Yomiuri's result |
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1986–87 Japan Soccer League | 25 October 1986 | 17 May 1987 | Champions |
1987 Asian Club Championship | June 1987 | Champions were decided in January 1988 | Champions |
1987 Emperor's Cup | 19 December 1987 | 1 January 1988 | Champions |
1987–88 Japan Soccer League | 17 October 1987 | 22 May 1988 | 5th place |
ABC paulista The "1987 season" included 1987–88 league. It was definitely not 1986–87 league. Competitions' periods and club's history explain this, whereas AFC did not say anything. Anyway, Yomiuri's treble was uncertain due to divergent contents unlike other clubs, and is inappropriate in the article.-- Pinineeon ( talk) 23:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi folks. Is it about time we recognized the above as a type of treble? We have 14 teams across South America & Europe achieving this feat, including Manchester United from 1999 team.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.116.50 ( talk) 18:24, 7 February 2020 (SGT)
Neither of the tables are sorting for me, besides the conference. I can't see what is wrong. Is it working for anyone else? —Мандичка YO 😜 17:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Pinging editors who have recently made this type of change: @ ABC paulista:, @ S.A. Julio:, and @ Timontasty:, I feel that the separation into men's and women's tables is absolutely necessary. I agree with some of the comments saying that it's necessary for clarity and consistency with other Wikipedia articles. GrammarDamner how are things? 16:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
In Treble concept, Below description is very important. There are too many examples. no sources needed. Don't delete this description.
In Europeon football, Club's single season period and competition's single season period are same. But in other continental football, Not all club's single season period and competition's single season are same. (e.g. 2019–20 Al-Hilal FC season and 2019 AFC Champions League, 2018–19 C.F. Monterrey season and 2019 CONCACAF Champions League). Footwiks ( talk) 16:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Footwiks, you re-reverted my edit, thus already violating WP:BRD, arguing that no sources are needed, severily contradicting WP:RS and WP:V (both state that all info must be sourced, period). And the info you added contain some wrong info: The contradiction aren't between club's and continental seasons, but between domestic and continental seasons, cubs only follow either of them. And also, not all european's season follow the same UEFA season, like the Russian and the Swedish ones, for example. ABC paulista ( talk) 16:33, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
In your logic, below description don't have source. Do I delete it?
A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three trophies in a single season. 16:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Let me explain why I amended and added the description.
In European football, Club's single season period and domestic competition's single season period and continental competition's single season period are almost same. (As you mentioned, There are exceptions. Swedish Allsvenskan, But that's not the point here.)
Therefore, Trebles in European football, Mostly, There is no room for dissent.
But In other continental football, Club's single season period and domestic competition's single season period and continental competition's single season period are not always same.
Therefore, it can be confusing.
In order to prevent confusion, I amended clearly and added description. Because there are many examples, My description don't need source.
A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three trophies in a single season
=>
A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three competitions in a club's single season
The point is not a just single season but a club's single season.
Within a period of club's single season, if club wins three competitions, treble is validated.
Let me explain with examples
=> FC Bayern Munich won full 3 competitions / Full competition means that club's single season period = competitions single season period.
There is no room for dissent.
=> Al-Hilal won full 2 competitions (2019–20 Saudi Professional League and 2019–20 King Cup)
=> Al-Hilal won imperfect 1 competition (2019 AFC Champions League)
Strictly speaking, Success at the 2019 AFC Champions League Group stage is the achievement of Al-Hilal's 2018–19 season squad.
But Because success at the 2019 AFC Champions League Knockout stage is the achievement of Al-Hilal's 2019–20 season squad, Like manager of final match takes all honour, not sharing with fired former manager. I agreed that Al-Hilal's treble
=> C.F. Monterrey won full 1 competition (2019 CONCACAF Champions League / 19 February – 1 May 2019)
=> C.F. Monterrey won full 2 competitions (2019–20 Liga MX and 2019–20 Copa MX)
In conclusion, C.F. Monterrey didn't win 3 competitions in club's sing season and this treble article have wrong information currently.
I know some newspaper reported that C.F. Monterrey achieved a treble. (eg: https://www.tudn.mx/copa-mx/rayados-1-1-xolos-marcador-resumen-goles-monterrey-titulo-triplete) But this source made a mistake.
If C.F. Monterrey achieved a treble, By the same logic, Red Star Belgrade also achieved a treble ( 1990–91 Yugoslav First League, 1989–90 Yugoslav Cup, 1990–91 European Cup
If you compare below tables. you can understand what I mean.
Finaly, my contribution is necessary for clarifying the concept of treble and C.F. Monterrey must be deleted in the Continental trebles list.
Competition | First match | Last match | Starting round | Final position | Record | |||||||
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Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD | Win % | |||||
Bundesliga | 16 August 2019 | 27 June 2020 | Matchday 1 | Winners | 34 | 26 | 4 | 4 | 100 | 32 | +68 | 76.47 |
DFB-Pokal | 12 August 2019 | 4 July 2020 | First round | Winners | 6 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 8 | +8 | 100.00 |
DFL-Supercup | 3 August 2019 | Final | Runners-up | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | −2 | 0.00 | |
Champions League | 18 September 2019 | 23 August 2020 | Group stage | Winners | 11 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 43 | 8 | +35 | 100.00 |
Total | 52 | 43 | 4 | 5 | 159 | 50 | +109 | 82.69 |
Source: Competitions
Competition | Started round | Final position / round |
First match | Last match |
---|---|---|---|---|
Pro League | Matchday 1 | Winners | 23 August 2019 | 9 September 2020 |
King Cup | Round of 64 | Winners | 3 November 2019 | 29 November 2020 |
2019 Champions League | Round of 16 | Winners | 6 August 2019 | 24 November 2019 |
2020 Champions League | Group stage | Group stage (withdrew) | 10 February 2020 | 23 September 2020 |
FIFA Club World Cup | Second round | Fourth place | 14 December 2019 | 21 December 2019 |
Source:
Competitions
Competition | First match | Last match | Starting round | Final position | Record | |||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD | Win % | |||||
Torneo Apertura | 21 July 2018 | 8 December 2018 | Matchday 1 | 5th | 21 | 12 | 3 | 6 | 29 | 20 | +9 | 57.14 |
Apertura Copa MX | 1 August 2018 | 31 October 2018 | Group stage | Runners-up | 8 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 14 | 6 | +8 | 62.50 |
Torneo Clausura | 5 January 2019 | 18 May 2019 | Matchday 1 | 3rd | 21 | 10 | 6 | 5 | 35 | 23 | +12 | 47.62 |
CONCACAF Champions League | 20 February 2019 | 1 May 2019 | Round of 16 | Winners | 8 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 16 | 4 | +12 | 62.50 |
Total | 58 | 32 | 13 | 13 | 94 | 53 | +41 | 55.17 |
Last updated: 6 March 2019
Source:
Mediotiempo.com
Competition | First match | Last match | Starting round | Final position | Record | |||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Pld | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD | Win % | |||||
Torneo Apertura | 20 July 2019 | 29 December 2019 | Matchday 1 | Winners | 24 | 12 | 4 | 8 | 39 | 29 | +10 | 50.00 |
Copa MX | 31 July 2019 | 4 November 2020 | Group stage | Winners | 10 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 22 | 8 | +14 | 80.00 |
Torneo Clausura | 18 January 2020 | Matchday 1 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 10 | 17 | −7 | 0.00 | ||
FIFA Club World Cup | 14 December 2019 | 21 December 2019 | Second round | Third place | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 6 | +0 | 33.33 |
Total | 47 | 21 | 11 | 15 | 77 | 60 | +17 | 44.68 |
Last updated: 24 April 2020
Source:
Mediotiempo.com
Footwiks ( talk) 18:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
if a standalone club's single season concept doesn't exist, How do you explain them? So many football club season articles in wikipedia and somethings about club's new season (eg 2020-21 season squad photo, 2019-20 season jersey, 2020-21 season jersey)
Most football clubs synchronise their club season (period or schedule) with domestic league season (period or schedule). Because domestic league is the basic competition to participate. Especially, In Euorepeon football, Most football club's single season period and Domestic competiotions period and UEFA competitions period are same. Therefor, There’s no need to make such fine distinctions In Euorepeon football.
For examples. But In Asian football, Club's single season period and domestic single seaon period are same. Club's single season period and AFC cometition period are not same. Examples are belows;
=> 2001-2002 Asian club championship: September 2001– April 2002
=> 2019 AFC Champions League: March 2019–November 2019
In this cases, We can adopt period including final match. If South korean club won 2002 Domestic Leauge, 2002 Korean FA Cup, 2001-02 Asian club Champinship, They achived the treble
Club's single season is very important meaning at the concept of treble.
Within club's single season, If they won 3 competitions, This is the treble and simple concept. In European football, There is no room for dissent. Because most club's single season period and 3 competitions single season period are same.
But, there are exceptions in other counties (including few European country), Below descripstion(Header info) is needed.
A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three competitions in a club's single season. In Europeon football, Club's single season period and competition's single season period are almost same. (e.g. 2019–20 FC Bayern Munich season, 2019–20 Bundesliga, 2019–20 DFB-Pokal and 2019–20 UEFA Champions League). But in other continental football, Not all club's single season period and competition's single season are same. (e.g. 2019–20 Al-Hilal FC season, 2019–20 Saudi Professional League, 2019–20 King Cup, 2019 AFC Champions League)
Let's ask others for their opinion
Footwiks ( talk) 03:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
ABC paulista I have a question. Description that you support - A treble in association football is achieved when a club team wins three trophies in a single season.
What is a clear meaning of phrase 'in a single season? Is this domestic leauge's single season period? or Is this confederation's champions League's single season period? or Is this a just single year period? Phrase - In a single seaons is the most important criterion for achievement of treble. But current Phrase - in a single season is very ambiguous. It can be confusing.
In order to prevent controversies about achievement of treble, Firstly We must find clear definition of in a single season or we must clearly define in a single season. Unless there is clarification regarding the definition of phrase in a single season, The controversies are will be continued without end. Footwiks ( talk) 05:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
ABC paulista Participants are only you and me in this discussion. Let's discuss this issue(in a single season) in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football in the near future. Footwiks ( talk) 13:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
They are currently listed as having four, but three of them (2005–06, 2013–14, and 2014–15) were from winning the NZFC Minor Premiership, NZFC Grand Final, and the OFC Champions League. Only the 2022 treble came from them winning New Zealand's main cup competition (the Chatham Cup), the New Zealand National League (the NZFC's successor), and the OFC Champions League, but the second sentence of the article states "A continental treble involves winning the club's national league competition, main national cup competition, and main continental trophy". I believe their first three "trebles" should be removed from this list and possibly added as a footnote instead. This goes for fellow New Zealand club Waitakere United's treble in 2007–08 as well since the three competitions they won that season were also the Minor Premiership, the Grand Final, and the OFCCL. Geolojoey ( talk) 20:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
There is wrong information in this Article … I edited it twice but someone else keeps adding the wrong information again. Al Ahly Of Egypt has won the Treble Twice only … Its my club & I know it & all the sources confirm that too … Its only Two trebles 2006 & 2020 … Thx Moelshimy83 ( talk) 09:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Technically they should win all trophies within a season or a year, but they haven’t achieved that. The Saudi League in (19/20), the King’s Cup in (19/20). AFC Champions League in (2019). That doesn’t uphold to the rules of the treble. Because the AFC champions was won in a different year and season. It doesn’t make sense they qualified to it through the (17/18) league season, but they won it 2 seasons later? In Erupean Champions League the winner of the (19/20) season Bayern, Qualified to it through the (18/19) Bundesliga season. Ulsan Hyundai FC are the ones that won the (2020) AFC Champions League. Not Al-Hilal. @ ABC paulista Kh4l2ed ( talk) 22:04, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Regardless of what "sources" say, the Mariners only won a single trophy that would be part of a Continental or Domestic Treble that we list on this article. The listings here aren't every team that has won three trophies in a season. If that were true it would be filled with teams who won a main cup or league as well as pre-season exhibition cups, one-off super cups, league cups or teams in countries with weird systems that have trophies for winning Apertura\Clausura splits & regional cups like in South America. Did they win "three trophies". Yes. Is that what this article is for listing? No. The AFC Cup "is the second-tier competition of Asian club football", it is not the "main continental trophy". The Australia Cup is the "main domestic cup competition" in Australia, and the Mariners were knocked out in their first game. And for clarity sake, they didn't win a regulation Double (association football) either, once again because the Australia Cup is the domestic cup. QED. Macktheknifeau ( talk) 09:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Although winning a second-tier continental trophy (e.g. Europa League) has also been described as a continental treble, it is not as widely accepted.This is also mentioned in the article. Nevertheless, there should be no deviations for a second-tier continental treble from the other two needed achievements:
EUROPA LEAGUE: The longest road to the title. The small treble of championship, cup and UEFA Cup or Europa League has so far only been won by IFK Göteborg (1982), Galatasaray (2000), FC Porto (2003 and 2011) and CSKA Moscow (2005). If everything goes according to plan, Leverkusen still have five games left in this competition.
In 14 cases, the continental trophy in consideration was the main one (Champions’ Cup/League), in the remaining 5 cases (which can be defined as “small trebles”) the 2nd by importance, UEFA Cup/Europa League (these cases are marked in grey in the table). Bayern, Barcelona and Al Ahly managed to make a treble twice; Porto made two “small trebles”.
Bayer Leverkusen are German champions and have all the trump cards in their hand to win the so-called "small treble" of the championship, the DFB Cup and the Europa League this season.
With the second major treble (winning the championship, cup and Europa League is referred to as a "small treble") after the one under legendary coach Jupp Heynckes (2012/13)
as in the case of Bayer Leverkusen - when it comes to the Bundesliga, DFB Cup and the Europa League. This variant is now often referred to as a "small triple".
*These clubs have won the treble of national championship, national cup and UEFA Cup or UEFA Europa League
Hello @ ABC paulista:, Regarding Nadroga, the source the source here explicitly says that the domestic treble in Fiji consists of the Fiji Premier League, Fiji FA Cup, Inter-District Championship:
For this to happen, the Delta Tigers need to win two more of the three titles still to be played this year: Vodafone Premier League, Inter-District Championship and Fiji FACT....
Therefore, it is a Domestic treble, according to the sources, which proves that the club achieved the aforementioned titles in 1993.
Regarding Athletic Bilbao, you did not mention the reason for Reverting the edit, although it is clear that it is not a domestic treble because the Bizcaya Championship title is a regional competition, as well as unofficial, and therefore cannot include it in domestic treble.
Regarding the domestic treble introduction, this is considered an elaboration in more detail, because I have noticed that there are people who include the Super Cups as part of the domestic treble, so I see nothing to prevent it, especially since the second source that I included details about what the domestic treble is. -- Mishary94 ( talk) 01:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
A domestic treble involves winning three national competitions—including the league title, the primary cup competition, and one secondary competition, such as a secondary cup or state-level league., thus reginal and state-level competitions are usually accepted within domestic trebles, and the Biscay Championship was a official competition run by Regional Federations that were all under the Royal Spanish Football Federation, thus being official within the spanish football structure.
A domestic treble involves winning three national competitions—normally the league title, the primary cup competition, and one secondary competition, so it doesn't specify what kind of secondary competition is being considered, thus it doesn't outwright deny the eligibility of regional titles. ABC paulista ( talk) 02:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Fiji doubles consisted of league and IDC; Trebles additionally include BOG.
For this to happen, the Delta Tigers need to win two more of the three titles still to be played this year: Vodafone Premier League, Inter-District Championship and Fiji FACT....
In the beginning, you asked me for a source that defines the treble for the countries (Fiji, for example), and now you say that we cannot rely on one source because the sources differ in their definition of the treble. What do you want me to do? I relied on the most reliable source, which is the RSSSF organization, which completed its thirtieth year this year, so if there is a disagreement in the treble for a specific country, it is more correct to open a new discussion for that country.
All respect and appreciation to you in your real life, and we do not ask you to quickly discuss with us, but we oppose retrieving the edits because you are creating a dispute out of nowhere. -- Mishary94 ( talk) 22:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Al-Ittihad witnessed a golden era in the mid-nineties AD after the club won the treble (Premier League, Crown Prince Cup, and Saudi Federation Cup) in 1997), 2018's Al-Duhail (
Al Duhail players and officials celebrate their domestic treble — QNB Stars League, Qatar Cup and Amir Cup — at their club on Sunday evening.), Toronto FC (
Toronto FC win first domestic treble in MLS history) and Libertad (
Copa Paraguay: Libertad won the triple crown).
Note that winning Apertura and Clausura tournaments in one season is not considered a double win as both are league tournaments.RSSF- Argentina 'Doubles'
In South America ( CONMEBOL ), the considered "treble" includes the national championship, Copa Libertadores and Intercontinental Cup or Club World Cup.[6]
in Asia ...assume that these can have multiple forms of domestic treble
that winning Apertura and Clausura tournaments in one season is not considered a double win as both are league tournaments, but that doesn't hold any bearing on the treble. In both Libertad and 2013's Atlético Nacional's cases they won their respective national cups, so their treble cases still stand.
The sources also never speak of a domestic treble, so that would be WP:OR to label three title wins as a treble in this article, which would also contradict with the other sources.- They don't contradict because the sources don't exclude the possibility of non-national competitons being part of domestic trebles, which I said many times in this discussions and getting kinda tired of repeating myself.
In general, in Brazil the term "triple crown" is used to win any three official titles in the same season. [...] An example what is maybe considered in South America as a treble, but not belongs to the article.- Outside Europe the usage of terms like "continental treble" and "domestic trebles" is way less common, usually these instances are just referred as "treble", so I don't think it would be fair to exclude them because of such linguistical and cultural differences.
We should really be very strict about something like this and not interpret it, as it is very subjective. It should be very clear which titles belong to the domestic treble. A source for that have to be found.- Let's make an hypotetical: A team of Hong Kong wins a domestic treble by winning the Premier League, the FA Cup and the League Cup, later achieve a second treble by winning the Sapling Cup instead of the League Cup, then later it won another domestic treble by winning the Senior Shield algonside the Premier League and the FA Cup. Then, in one season, the team wins all five of them, and the source state that it achieved a domestic treble, but doesn't state which competitions constitute the treble. How it should be handled in this article? ABC paulista ( talk) 00:58, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
In the context of editing an article, cherrypicking, in a negative sense, means selecting information without including contradictory or significant qualifying information from the same source and consequently misrepresenting what the source says.
FYI: @ ABC paulista and Mishary94: Regarding the clubs removed for the domestic trebles (including the South American Triple Crowns), I have contacted the RSSSF and asked for an explanation for their absence. Perhaps there will be an update on RSSSF soon that might defuse some of the discussion. Miria~01 ( talk) 13:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Mishary94, could you please explain why you removed the Australian trebles? Your argument doesn't hold up when the Premiership and Grand Final are awarded separately from each other and the presented sources do consider them as separate titles. Also, the continental trebles of both Auckland City and Waitakere United from New Zealand are included here and both include Premiership and Grand Final, and I don't see any current objections from them. ABC paulista ( talk) 03:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Mishary94, could you please explain why Al-Duhail needs to include the Qatari Stars Cup? Where it's written that a domestic treble can't be comprised of the Emir Cup and the Quatar Cup? ABC paulista ( talk) 04:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I also agree. Originally, RSSSF is the source we rely on, but if there is another reliable source that contradicts the treble mentioned by RSSSF for a specific country, then I am in favor of changing the treble specific to that country.), while most of the other sources ( Goal.com, Oceania Football Center, for example) don't explicitally state that the secondary cup must be a league cup, they just statd that it must be a "secondary domestic cup" with no further specification, and per WP:WEIGHT we should give preference to the majority.
Mishary94, why Toronto's case can't be considered to be a treble when they are playing at the MLS? Even the MLS itself considers it a legit domestic treble. ABC paulista ( talk) 04:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)