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– There are multiple problematic articles with the base title "The Three Musketeers":
The first of these is the 1968–1969 American TV series, which is currently using non-standard disambiguation under
WP:NCTV, and should simply be moved to "by country" disambig. under
WP:NCTV.
The second of these, on the 2014 South Korean TV series, is better disambiguated from the others using "by country" disambiguation, and so should be moved to
The Three Musketeers (South Korean TV series)
The third of these, on the 1987 Japanese TV series, was moved without explanation or discussion by
Magicperson6969 in May 2014 from the proposed title – as the current title is not the
WP:COMMONNAME, this one should be moved back to its former pre-May 2014 title.
The fourth of these, about a 2009 Japanese TV series, is currently using a totally non-standard disambiguation, and should be moved to simple, standard "by year" disambiguation under
WP:NCTV (to distinguish from the 1987 Japanese TV series).
Support 1/2/5, Oppose 3, move
The Three Musketeers (puppetry)→
The Three Musketeers (2009 Japanese TV series) - I believe all TV series entries here must include the country disambiguation for clarity - we shouldn't "mix" country and year.
The Three Musketeers Anime seems to be a fairly accurate translation and common name for the series, which is also often called "Anime Sanjushi" or "Anime Sanjuushi"
[1], so much more sourcing and discussion is necessary before I can agree on a destination. Since both "Anime" and "puppetry" series are Japanese, we need to include year as well. --
Netoholic@17:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Its not "sufficient" when other articles in this set are using by-country disambiguation. By the same logic, we could just use years for all of the articles. But we shouldn't mix them. --
Netoholic@18:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)reply
That's the main issue – there actually is no reason we can't/shouldn't "mix and match" "by year" and "by country" disambiguation. (FTR, I'll create a "by year" redirect at
The Three Musketeers (1968 TV series) for the first one in any case...). Current opposition to "mixing and matching" is effectively a
WP:IDONTLIKEIT kind of thing... But, regardless – we don't do "unnecessary disambiguation" on Wikiepedia, and any "double disambiguation" in this case is clearly unnecessary – the titles are uniquely distinguishable without it, which is all that matters. --
IJBall (
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talk)
18:16, 18 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Support all but 3 which I don't have an opinion yet. These can easily follow the guidelines at WP:NCTV and WP:NCFILM. I'm not opposed to Netoholic suggestion, as I'm not against longer disambiguation for the sake of clarity. --
Gonnym (
talk)
00:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Dekimasu: And the rest?... Comment: It's looking like to me that there is consensus against moving #3 back to its original title, but appears to be support for moving the other four. --
IJBall (
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talk)
17:01, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Agreed with Netoholic's version, except for no. 1, use "US TV series". The dots serve no purpose here,
MOS:US effectively discourages them, it's against
WP:CONCISE, and they produce a really, really obvious
WP:CONSISTENCY problem within the same title itself ("U.S." versus "TV"). We should mass-RM all the "U.S. TV" and "U.S. film" dismbiguations to use "US". —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 05:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Um, no – that is completely contrary to
WP:NCTVUS, as you well know, and we just had a RM about changing that which was closed as "No consensus" to change it. Your !vote here is an example of trying to
WP:Game the system to get your way when it's already been decided to do the opposite. So it stays "U.S." P.S.
WP:NCFILM doesn't even use "U.S." – they use "American" and "British", which NCTV should also change to using, but that's not a discussion to have here... --
IJBall (
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talk)
13:41, 14 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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– There are multiple problematic articles with the base title "The Three Musketeers":
The first of these is the 1968–1969 American TV series, which is currently using non-standard disambiguation under
WP:NCTV, and should simply be moved to "by country" disambig. under
WP:NCTV.
The second of these, on the 2014 South Korean TV series, is better disambiguated from the others using "by country" disambiguation, and so should be moved to
The Three Musketeers (South Korean TV series)
The third of these, on the 1987 Japanese TV series, was moved without explanation or discussion by
Magicperson6969 in May 2014 from the proposed title – as the current title is not the
WP:COMMONNAME, this one should be moved back to its former pre-May 2014 title.
The fourth of these, about a 2009 Japanese TV series, is currently using a totally non-standard disambiguation, and should be moved to simple, standard "by year" disambiguation under
WP:NCTV (to distinguish from the 1987 Japanese TV series).
Support 1/2/5, Oppose 3, move
The Three Musketeers (puppetry)→
The Three Musketeers (2009 Japanese TV series) - I believe all TV series entries here must include the country disambiguation for clarity - we shouldn't "mix" country and year.
The Three Musketeers Anime seems to be a fairly accurate translation and common name for the series, which is also often called "Anime Sanjushi" or "Anime Sanjuushi"
[1], so much more sourcing and discussion is necessary before I can agree on a destination. Since both "Anime" and "puppetry" series are Japanese, we need to include year as well. --
Netoholic@17:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Its not "sufficient" when other articles in this set are using by-country disambiguation. By the same logic, we could just use years for all of the articles. But we shouldn't mix them. --
Netoholic@18:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)reply
That's the main issue – there actually is no reason we can't/shouldn't "mix and match" "by year" and "by country" disambiguation. (FTR, I'll create a "by year" redirect at
The Three Musketeers (1968 TV series) for the first one in any case...). Current opposition to "mixing and matching" is effectively a
WP:IDONTLIKEIT kind of thing... But, regardless – we don't do "unnecessary disambiguation" on Wikiepedia, and any "double disambiguation" in this case is clearly unnecessary – the titles are uniquely distinguishable without it, which is all that matters. --
IJBall (
contribs •
talk)
18:16, 18 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Support all but 3 which I don't have an opinion yet. These can easily follow the guidelines at WP:NCTV and WP:NCFILM. I'm not opposed to Netoholic suggestion, as I'm not against longer disambiguation for the sake of clarity. --
Gonnym (
talk)
00:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Dekimasu: And the rest?... Comment: It's looking like to me that there is consensus against moving #3 back to its original title, but appears to be support for moving the other four. --
IJBall (
contribs •
talk)
17:01, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Agreed with Netoholic's version, except for no. 1, use "US TV series". The dots serve no purpose here,
MOS:US effectively discourages them, it's against
WP:CONCISE, and they produce a really, really obvious
WP:CONSISTENCY problem within the same title itself ("U.S." versus "TV"). We should mass-RM all the "U.S. TV" and "U.S. film" dismbiguations to use "US". —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 05:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Um, no – that is completely contrary to
WP:NCTVUS, as you well know, and we just had a RM about changing that which was closed as "No consensus" to change it. Your !vote here is an example of trying to
WP:Game the system to get your way when it's already been decided to do the opposite. So it stays "U.S." P.S.
WP:NCFILM doesn't even use "U.S." – they use "American" and "British", which NCTV should also change to using, but that's not a discussion to have here... --
IJBall (
contribs •
talk)
13:41, 14 February 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.