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There is no reason to delete this article at all. This is important information about a well liked band
Some comments:
For your reference I have included the link to wp:band the article discussing notability of bands on wikipedia. You may want to refer to it in making your argument. Alan.ca 08:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I third no reason for deletion. Alan, just because you've never heard of the band doesn't mean they're not notable or unworthy of being on Wikipedia. I was dissapointed someone took an action like this which I find offensive, especially after me and the user above you recently put time into editing this page just today to expand upon the band. There is no reason to delete this article at all. This is a band with a long history formed from two notable acts in the industrial genre. Their albums have worldwide distribution. It is also true that lyrics are published in print in the book 'Love and Loud colours' by Edward Ka-Spel. I cannot stand for the deletion of this page and other users will come to the aid of this band if need be. This page is of interest to any interested person or fan of Skinny Puppy or The Legendary Pink Dots. - Goneja, 08:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
A musician or ensemble is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:
It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.
Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves, and advertising for the musician/ensemble.
Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.
As I only need to prove 1 of these things, I shall do:
Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
http://www.werkshop.com/store/artist.action;jsessionid=abceZCa-NxVRShGvsqH9q?artist_id=7
3 albums released on the Nettwerk label, which is a major canadian label. Apon further investigation you can find the importance of the member and also end up proving another point needed.
Anal as hell.
According to the above criteria stated by another user: 1. I am personally aware of advertising for the Tear Garden, I have a promotional flat for the album "Crystal Mass". This is reason enough to be deemed notable according to the above. 2. Edward Ka-Spel is vocalist of The Legendary Pink Dots and has opened for and played with The Dresden Dolls (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8BGbYTffzc for verification of dresden dolls claim). cEvin Key is a founding member of the notable band Skinny Puppy. This is added reason for tear garden to be deemed notable. - Goneja, 08:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough. I'm "Anal as hell" because this is an encyclopedia and statements need to be verified. You have to keep in mind that international visitors read this project. You made your point, I hope that citation makes it into the article. I also learned that there exists an exception to the speedy delete rule for notability, I will include it for your reference,
Alan.ca 08:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Alan, please respond to my quote above. It was short and is probably getting lost now. The point is, you seem to be misusing "speedy deletion." The onus should be on you to explain that. Notability is not a valid reason for the speedy deletion tag. It's in the article you linked to. You're artificially pressuring people to introduce sources to an article that is being actively edited. If there's specific information you feel needs to be cited, just add a tag to the single instance. DO NOT go around trying to get articles deleted outright. It's lazy and harmful. Blogbourri 08:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Alan, our point was, you still pulled crap on us despite being hammered almost immediately by three different people. You erroneously labeled this as being candidate for speedy deletion and we proved you wrong in two minutes. It's as if you were simply taunting us to add more information. When this page *finally* gets updated, even given an original image (of my own taking) to be applied to it, that's when you step in to delete it? This is nonsense, and it was a slap in the face to the people who edited this article today. You should have assumed our works today would have eventually lead up to proper citations and increased reasoning behind a claim of notability. Your actions and dialogue here come off highly elitist. Step back into your chambers in Oxford and let us work on it.
Goneja 9:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Let's just leave it at "we're working on it." It's obvious from looking at today's history of changes. Enough bickering. ;) I do seriously question the ethic of applying "speedy deletion" in this way, however. If the intent is to get sources cited, say that. Anything else is underhanded. Blogbourri 09:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The Secret Experiment has been out for quite some time...I'm not sure about the release date, though. 69.246.220.86 ( talk) 22:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
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There is no reason to delete this article at all. This is important information about a well liked band
Some comments:
For your reference I have included the link to wp:band the article discussing notability of bands on wikipedia. You may want to refer to it in making your argument. Alan.ca 08:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I third no reason for deletion. Alan, just because you've never heard of the band doesn't mean they're not notable or unworthy of being on Wikipedia. I was dissapointed someone took an action like this which I find offensive, especially after me and the user above you recently put time into editing this page just today to expand upon the band. There is no reason to delete this article at all. This is a band with a long history formed from two notable acts in the industrial genre. Their albums have worldwide distribution. It is also true that lyrics are published in print in the book 'Love and Loud colours' by Edward Ka-Spel. I cannot stand for the deletion of this page and other users will come to the aid of this band if need be. This page is of interest to any interested person or fan of Skinny Puppy or The Legendary Pink Dots. - Goneja, 08:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
A musician or ensemble is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:
It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.
Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves, and advertising for the musician/ensemble.
Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.
As I only need to prove 1 of these things, I shall do:
Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
http://www.werkshop.com/store/artist.action;jsessionid=abceZCa-NxVRShGvsqH9q?artist_id=7
3 albums released on the Nettwerk label, which is a major canadian label. Apon further investigation you can find the importance of the member and also end up proving another point needed.
Anal as hell.
According to the above criteria stated by another user: 1. I am personally aware of advertising for the Tear Garden, I have a promotional flat for the album "Crystal Mass". This is reason enough to be deemed notable according to the above. 2. Edward Ka-Spel is vocalist of The Legendary Pink Dots and has opened for and played with The Dresden Dolls (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8BGbYTffzc for verification of dresden dolls claim). cEvin Key is a founding member of the notable band Skinny Puppy. This is added reason for tear garden to be deemed notable. - Goneja, 08:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough. I'm "Anal as hell" because this is an encyclopedia and statements need to be verified. You have to keep in mind that international visitors read this project. You made your point, I hope that citation makes it into the article. I also learned that there exists an exception to the speedy delete rule for notability, I will include it for your reference,
Alan.ca 08:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Alan, please respond to my quote above. It was short and is probably getting lost now. The point is, you seem to be misusing "speedy deletion." The onus should be on you to explain that. Notability is not a valid reason for the speedy deletion tag. It's in the article you linked to. You're artificially pressuring people to introduce sources to an article that is being actively edited. If there's specific information you feel needs to be cited, just add a tag to the single instance. DO NOT go around trying to get articles deleted outright. It's lazy and harmful. Blogbourri 08:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Alan, our point was, you still pulled crap on us despite being hammered almost immediately by three different people. You erroneously labeled this as being candidate for speedy deletion and we proved you wrong in two minutes. It's as if you were simply taunting us to add more information. When this page *finally* gets updated, even given an original image (of my own taking) to be applied to it, that's when you step in to delete it? This is nonsense, and it was a slap in the face to the people who edited this article today. You should have assumed our works today would have eventually lead up to proper citations and increased reasoning behind a claim of notability. Your actions and dialogue here come off highly elitist. Step back into your chambers in Oxford and let us work on it.
Goneja 9:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Let's just leave it at "we're working on it." It's obvious from looking at today's history of changes. Enough bickering. ;) I do seriously question the ethic of applying "speedy deletion" in this way, however. If the intent is to get sources cited, say that. Anything else is underhanded. Blogbourri 09:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The Secret Experiment has been out for quite some time...I'm not sure about the release date, though. 69.246.220.86 ( talk) 22:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)