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Is a mixtape. Not a studio album. I'm going to change it and if you have any reasons why I shouldn't it would be much more constructive to state them than to revert without explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.10.67 ( talk) 15:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
The article states "The bands last gig was at Reading Festival 2011". I saw The Streets playing yesterday, and they're playing today as well, at Parklife in Australia (www.parklife.com.au). Is the article wrong, or merely outdated? Theenigma1983 ( talk) 08:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
queiston? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.15.127 ( talk) 08:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
The article doesn't mention Beats Stevie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.33.233 ( talk) 23:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
The article mentions "Late Night with David Letterman." Should this be "The Late Show?"
Presumably the single slated for release at the end of 2004 has been released by now - perhaps this page should be updated to reflect that? sheridan 07:41, 2005 Jan 26 (UTC)
Mike Skinner wrote a letter to KFC asking them to stop their cruel treatment of chickens. You can find a copy of the letter here (no it isnt, the link is dead) They call me Mister Tibbs ( talk) 08:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
"He raps a lot about taking drugs, which makes him well hard." An anon added this sentence. I have no clue what it means, but because I know nothing about the subject I won't remove it. It should perhaps be clarified for the non-British, if it does make any sense to the British. Mak emi 04:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
'hard' is a UK slang word for tough... roughly
i removed the disclaimer about incorrect information regarding his forthcoming album, as he has confirmed the title and this can be found on his website, so it is not speculation.. also it makes the comment regarding the Sun irrelevant, as its not just 'According to The Sun' anymore.
also there are many useless links such as '2001' 'teenager' etc etc. they are totally useless and unreltaed to the article, and this is something wikipedia as a whole suffers from and should be cleaned up. - feb 28th
also removed " but have in the main found popularity in the ' indie' scene. " as its not really accurate, the streets have found popularity accross various music 'scene's /genres
Links to song files do not belong here. This is an encyclopedia, not a file sharing base : ) Any conflicting opinions?
The title appears to be a play on the lyric "you are so fit, and you know it", from Busted UK number one "You Said No" - the change from 'and' to 'but' implying that the self-assuredness of many beautiful women is a bad thing.
Nonsense. -- Air 20:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Nonesense! because it is a well know old adage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ur-loki ( talk • contribs) 09:00, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
What is his logo supposed to be? Looks like a brand of chapstick. savidan (talk) (e@) 22:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
It's a Clipper lighter, it features on all his album covers. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
She was named by skinner as the subject of 'fit but u know it'; but i dont think she had anything to do with the 'When You Wasn't Famous' thing; i've heard it said but i think its just people getting the two mixed up. Skinner also did retract the statement regarding fit but u know it, saying that he only told a reporter (questioning him in a nightclub) flippantly in order to get rid of them. weather that was a get-out clause or not is up to your interpretation. Anyway, as tweedy was named, RS should be removed unless u can find a citation.~ Bungalowbill
Maybe someone could mention Mike Skinners side projects Grafiti (with the Single What is the problem?) and The Beats (with the Single The Cigarette Beat). -- TH-Foreigner 00:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
obviously in parts of that song you can hear its mike skinner but there's never been anything offical to admit its actually him —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.136.80.79 ( talk) 13:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps this "record" should be rephrased as "the world's longest music video according to MTV" Because, for example, Pink Floyd's The Wall is technically a music video and it's way longer than 25 minutes.-- Lairor 12:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Surely these two sentences from the article cannot both be right? Which one is?
Read the article, it explains where he's from and with which accent he speaks / sings. 81.246.93.2 09:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
But the wikipedia entry doesn't, it implies that Skinner is pretentious. As a Londoner I can assure you Skinner does not speak/sing with a 'strong London "cockney" accent'. His accent is a hybrid of Birmingham and South London, which given his personal history, is not exactly surprising. —Preceding
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Totally agree that its confusing, have you a link to the article btw They call me Mister Tibbs ( talk) 09:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
No mention of Mikey's 2003 EP??? I think it at least deserves a sentence, some would say even an article.
http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews/cds/S/The-Streets/All-Got-Our-Runnins/209 http://www.knowtheledge.net/thestreets_runnins.htm http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/s/streets-allgotourrunnins.shtml http://www.atlanticrecords.com/thestreets/music/?id=atlrelease700466 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.25.179.111 ( talk) 17:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
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As demanded (not very wikipedian of you, please remember wp:civ) I have put this on
This edit is "not encyclopedic"? Would you care to define "encyclopedic"? Would you care to state the wiki policy that I have breached? I suggest that you can't. The fact is that "tender" is a proper and correct word to use here. M-W definition 1 and 2 of the word:
1 a: having a soft or yielding texture : easily broken, cut, or damaged : delicate, fragile <tender feet> b: easily chewed : succulent 2 a: physically weak : not able to endure hardship b: immature, young <children of tender age> c: incapable of resisting cold : not hardy <tender perennials>
Can you tell me of a child of 5 who does not conform to either definition of "tender"? Does this word add "POV"? Is it original research? (in fact, the whole sentence appears to be original research) Why are you inflicting your inherent biases against the word tender on this article?
Further to the above argument, I am going to add some contributions. I have been told that the word "tender" is not NPOV. I ask if there is anyone on this page who would argue that the age of 5 is anything that is the opposite of "tender", as defined in Merriam Webster. It would be difficult for you all to disagree with this, as it means "young".
I am also told that it is "original research" - the sentence paraphrases the original source - I just further paraphrase it further - the only other option is to copy it word for word, and this is copyright violation. In fact the sentence assumes that skinners parents bought him the keyboard, a fact not in evidence - this is the true original researchl.
Someone show me a specific wiki policy against the use of adjectives, and I will back down. 213.235.24.138 ( talk) 16:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Here is the why I keep removing it:
I fully understand the policies. It seems you do not. If you can find me anything on any of them that rejects what I am saying, I will accept what you have to say. Please post the appropriate bits in here. You have threatened to have me banned, several times - not civil (this is my only post in this article - ever read "don't bite the newbies"?) Mike Skinner should be described as "tender" because he was (at the age of 5). I have read much of wiki, and can find numerous examples of commonly used objective adjectives (try saying that 10 times quickly after 3 beers....) being placed in articles. I have even found one which finds a famous actress to have "a tiny face". Tender means "young", and if an encyclopedia can't describe a young child as "young", then I suggest that it is doing Language a disservice. It's like Newspeak in Orwells 1984, trying to reduce the english language down to the absolute essentials, removing all extraneous words, but doing it to the point that it borders on facism. This is not the aim of any encyclopedia. There is nothing "unencyclopedic" about the word tender - you just don't like it. 82.0.206.215 ( talk) 17:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not a sock-puppet. I have two accounts - one at home and one at work. I make no secret of this (it has said so on both IP addresses talk pages since I have posted on this article...) Unfortunately, you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word "consensus", both in the wiki sense and in the true life sense. It means we get to a point where every-one has agreed that the out-come does not need changing, where we all agree to abide by it. This is normally reached by negotiation. It cannot be reached (in real life or in wiki) by way of a majority vote. Your vote is pointless. I do not agree to it (unless it goes my way) and don't have to to keep in line with wiki policy. This means you best do some negotiating. The usual place to start would be an alternative word. 213.235.24.138 ( talk) 16:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Agree: This is hardly the first or only article with the phrase "tender age." If we strike the phrase here, it seems appropriate to strike it in the other articles as well. Such a campaign to eliminate "tender age" from wikipedia would be little more than delightfully silly. The word "tender" in this article only really appears absurd because it's an absurd thing to fight for. When outsiders fight for absurd edits, editors naturally suspect shenanigans. Usually caution is the way to go in such situations, but here I worry your instincts are triggering a false alarm. To the average reader, "tender" works fine, and doesn't actually merit this much discussion. I say let the crowds have this one. In the alternative, you could build your bot to remove the phrase from other articles, articles on Nandivarman_II, where 12 years is tender, or Dhruva where again 5 years is tender, and dozens of others. That approach strikes me as a notable waste of time. Stumbled upon this argument, not particularly interested in the outcome, hope my two cents are helpful. -- Thomas B♘ talk 01:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I strongly agree with the use of "tender" in this context. Make this search on google: "tender age" site:wikipedia.org There are 725 results. The fact is that the phrase is a common, well-accepted and understood phrase, and it is highly relevant in the statement on the streets page as it lends relevance to the statement about the age at which he began as a musician. The literal statement is that he began at age five, the underlying meaning is that he was a musician from early childhood as opposed to the more common later starting age. The use of "tender" highlights the specific relevance of the raw fact. Anyway, I won't waste any more breath on faithless, as I'm sure he's very busy with 725 wikipedia pages to edit. GO FAITHLESS, GO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.235.233.71 ( talk) 03:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I'm the OP, and I can categorically assure faithless that I am not talk - was just referencing this page in a discussion on bios of living persons, and thought I'd see where we had got to. Still, "consensus" seems to be building more toward my POV. Interesting, huh? 86.169.165.179 ( talk) 18:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Agree: I'm amazed at the heat generated by this debate, over words now deleted presumably a reference to Skinner on keyboards at a tender age. This is a perfectly understandable and acceptable use of English, anyone objecting must be sadly literal to get over excited by its use. Zerowhite ( talk) 04:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Today I was editing the article and I find the word 'tender' to be rather annoying. Why is being five years old considered 'tender'? I do believe it is inappropriate because it implies that being five years old and making music is something special - which of course would be crossing Wikipedia's guide on NPOV. It is like saying "When Skinner was only five years old, he already was making music" - that is downright POV. 'Tender age' might mean 'at a young age', but if you put 'tender' and 'playing keyboards' together it suggests it's something special, extraordinary even.
There is no valid reason to keep the word there. Saying other articles have the same phrase is of course no argument either (see [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). The argument that it is "an acceptable use of English" doesn't matter here either, because we use English to try be as encyclopedic as possible, and not to use everyday English. -- Soetermans | drop me a line | what I'd do now? 17:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Frankly it's amazing that this nonsense has gone on for so long. This a clear, unambiguous addition of a point of view that does not feature in any cite provided. Calling his age "tender" is offering an opinion and is not neutral. It is suggesting that his age was remarkably young for what he was doing. Whether it was or not is matter of opinion and should not appear in an encyclopaedia.
If we were to permit additions like this then we should also permit contrary opinions. What if it was my opinion that five is actually quite a normal age to start to learn keyboards? How about we add "Skinner began using a keyboard at the usual age of five." Or what if I thought he was actually quite backward? "Skinner began using a keyboard at the advanced age of five." Or what if I thought that five was too young? "Skinner began using a keyboard at the premature age of five."
All point of view, all equally not acceptable. Can't believe this has to be explained. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 00:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Agree: You can argue the semantics all you want but its the AGE that is tender not the person, surely a child should be taken care off, a child should not be left to look after itself, therefore "tender" for some one under any adult age in my opinoin would be tender regardless of the person.
I think it's quite amazing that it's been 11 years since this discussion started and still the issue continues...I reverted the IP again this morning. Rob van vee 06:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
The provided citation is for a tweet posted to Mike Skinner's account in June 2009 that explicitly states that the album will be released in February 2010. This is originally what the text of the article said. However, it has since been updated to indicate Q3/Q4 2010 with no new citation or rationale. I haven't seen any authoritative indication that the album has been delayed to that timeframe. If someone has a reference, please incorporate it, because the article as it stands is inaccurate. Warrenm ( talk) 16:49, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
This article makes reference to Reebok Classics. "classics" could also refer to classic dance/club tunes. when i say "put on some classics" i'm referring to music, not shoes. I know Mike is a fan of Reebok Classics but i'm pretty sure this could be a double meaning.
~~Alpaca37~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpaca37 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
...yet the article states that he was rapping before then and that he made his first track at the age of 15 (which would be around 1993). Can an earlier date be put than 2000? FM [ talk to me | show contributions ] 15:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm listening to it now! Must be unofficial, maybe a leek, but I know everything by The Streets, and this is new. Also comes in a new style, as hoped for. "On the roof of your car, at the stars" "Gaze up to the skies, truth, you've opened up my eyes"
Apparently, as I'm researching, the track, that will possibly be included on the new album, was released online by skinner himself: http://twitter.com/skinnermike
I love it!
this isn't where I heard it first, but,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmRfxlPktXg —Preceding
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that first bit's a load of nonsense. Johnny Drum Machine and Kevin Mark Trail were recruited as touring members long after the streets had first been incarnated. it started as a colaboration between skinner and a few other mates, one of whom was/is a part of a group called mouth almighty (crispy i think his name was?) skinner has posted a piece that he'd written about the formation of the streets and transition to just him and about the bitterness that was on their website when it started. although his musical history i'm sure goes back the the early/mid nineties i'm pretty sure the streets didnt materialise as an idea until 1999ish after skinner had lived in australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.185.139 ( talk) 17:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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Their song on the "On the of a coin" was also features in the game life is strange 2!! 😍😍 2A02:3033:40B:F68A:D8EB:94C8:1C33:97E5 ( talk) 09:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Is a mixtape. Not a studio album. I'm going to change it and if you have any reasons why I shouldn't it would be much more constructive to state them than to revert without explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.10.67 ( talk) 15:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
The article states "The bands last gig was at Reading Festival 2011". I saw The Streets playing yesterday, and they're playing today as well, at Parklife in Australia (www.parklife.com.au). Is the article wrong, or merely outdated? Theenigma1983 ( talk) 08:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
queiston? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.15.127 ( talk) 08:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
The article doesn't mention Beats Stevie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.33.233 ( talk) 23:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
The article mentions "Late Night with David Letterman." Should this be "The Late Show?"
Presumably the single slated for release at the end of 2004 has been released by now - perhaps this page should be updated to reflect that? sheridan 07:41, 2005 Jan 26 (UTC)
Mike Skinner wrote a letter to KFC asking them to stop their cruel treatment of chickens. You can find a copy of the letter here (no it isnt, the link is dead) They call me Mister Tibbs ( talk) 08:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
"He raps a lot about taking drugs, which makes him well hard." An anon added this sentence. I have no clue what it means, but because I know nothing about the subject I won't remove it. It should perhaps be clarified for the non-British, if it does make any sense to the British. Mak emi 04:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
'hard' is a UK slang word for tough... roughly
i removed the disclaimer about incorrect information regarding his forthcoming album, as he has confirmed the title and this can be found on his website, so it is not speculation.. also it makes the comment regarding the Sun irrelevant, as its not just 'According to The Sun' anymore.
also there are many useless links such as '2001' 'teenager' etc etc. they are totally useless and unreltaed to the article, and this is something wikipedia as a whole suffers from and should be cleaned up. - feb 28th
also removed " but have in the main found popularity in the ' indie' scene. " as its not really accurate, the streets have found popularity accross various music 'scene's /genres
Links to song files do not belong here. This is an encyclopedia, not a file sharing base : ) Any conflicting opinions?
The title appears to be a play on the lyric "you are so fit, and you know it", from Busted UK number one "You Said No" - the change from 'and' to 'but' implying that the self-assuredness of many beautiful women is a bad thing.
Nonsense. -- Air 20:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Nonesense! because it is a well know old adage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ur-loki ( talk • contribs) 09:00, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
What is his logo supposed to be? Looks like a brand of chapstick. savidan (talk) (e@) 22:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
It's a Clipper lighter, it features on all his album covers. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
She was named by skinner as the subject of 'fit but u know it'; but i dont think she had anything to do with the 'When You Wasn't Famous' thing; i've heard it said but i think its just people getting the two mixed up. Skinner also did retract the statement regarding fit but u know it, saying that he only told a reporter (questioning him in a nightclub) flippantly in order to get rid of them. weather that was a get-out clause or not is up to your interpretation. Anyway, as tweedy was named, RS should be removed unless u can find a citation.~ Bungalowbill
Maybe someone could mention Mike Skinners side projects Grafiti (with the Single What is the problem?) and The Beats (with the Single The Cigarette Beat). -- TH-Foreigner 00:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
obviously in parts of that song you can hear its mike skinner but there's never been anything offical to admit its actually him —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.136.80.79 ( talk) 13:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps this "record" should be rephrased as "the world's longest music video according to MTV" Because, for example, Pink Floyd's The Wall is technically a music video and it's way longer than 25 minutes.-- Lairor 12:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Surely these two sentences from the article cannot both be right? Which one is?
Read the article, it explains where he's from and with which accent he speaks / sings. 81.246.93.2 09:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
But the wikipedia entry doesn't, it implies that Skinner is pretentious. As a Londoner I can assure you Skinner does not speak/sing with a 'strong London "cockney" accent'. His accent is a hybrid of Birmingham and South London, which given his personal history, is not exactly surprising. —Preceding
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Totally agree that its confusing, have you a link to the article btw They call me Mister Tibbs ( talk) 09:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
No mention of Mikey's 2003 EP??? I think it at least deserves a sentence, some would say even an article.
http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews/cds/S/The-Streets/All-Got-Our-Runnins/209 http://www.knowtheledge.net/thestreets_runnins.htm http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/s/streets-allgotourrunnins.shtml http://www.atlanticrecords.com/thestreets/music/?id=atlrelease700466 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.25.179.111 ( talk) 17:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
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As demanded (not very wikipedian of you, please remember wp:civ) I have put this on
This edit is "not encyclopedic"? Would you care to define "encyclopedic"? Would you care to state the wiki policy that I have breached? I suggest that you can't. The fact is that "tender" is a proper and correct word to use here. M-W definition 1 and 2 of the word:
1 a: having a soft or yielding texture : easily broken, cut, or damaged : delicate, fragile <tender feet> b: easily chewed : succulent 2 a: physically weak : not able to endure hardship b: immature, young <children of tender age> c: incapable of resisting cold : not hardy <tender perennials>
Can you tell me of a child of 5 who does not conform to either definition of "tender"? Does this word add "POV"? Is it original research? (in fact, the whole sentence appears to be original research) Why are you inflicting your inherent biases against the word tender on this article?
Further to the above argument, I am going to add some contributions. I have been told that the word "tender" is not NPOV. I ask if there is anyone on this page who would argue that the age of 5 is anything that is the opposite of "tender", as defined in Merriam Webster. It would be difficult for you all to disagree with this, as it means "young".
I am also told that it is "original research" - the sentence paraphrases the original source - I just further paraphrase it further - the only other option is to copy it word for word, and this is copyright violation. In fact the sentence assumes that skinners parents bought him the keyboard, a fact not in evidence - this is the true original researchl.
Someone show me a specific wiki policy against the use of adjectives, and I will back down. 213.235.24.138 ( talk) 16:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Here is the why I keep removing it:
I fully understand the policies. It seems you do not. If you can find me anything on any of them that rejects what I am saying, I will accept what you have to say. Please post the appropriate bits in here. You have threatened to have me banned, several times - not civil (this is my only post in this article - ever read "don't bite the newbies"?) Mike Skinner should be described as "tender" because he was (at the age of 5). I have read much of wiki, and can find numerous examples of commonly used objective adjectives (try saying that 10 times quickly after 3 beers....) being placed in articles. I have even found one which finds a famous actress to have "a tiny face". Tender means "young", and if an encyclopedia can't describe a young child as "young", then I suggest that it is doing Language a disservice. It's like Newspeak in Orwells 1984, trying to reduce the english language down to the absolute essentials, removing all extraneous words, but doing it to the point that it borders on facism. This is not the aim of any encyclopedia. There is nothing "unencyclopedic" about the word tender - you just don't like it. 82.0.206.215 ( talk) 17:48, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not a sock-puppet. I have two accounts - one at home and one at work. I make no secret of this (it has said so on both IP addresses talk pages since I have posted on this article...) Unfortunately, you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word "consensus", both in the wiki sense and in the true life sense. It means we get to a point where every-one has agreed that the out-come does not need changing, where we all agree to abide by it. This is normally reached by negotiation. It cannot be reached (in real life or in wiki) by way of a majority vote. Your vote is pointless. I do not agree to it (unless it goes my way) and don't have to to keep in line with wiki policy. This means you best do some negotiating. The usual place to start would be an alternative word. 213.235.24.138 ( talk) 16:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Agree: This is hardly the first or only article with the phrase "tender age." If we strike the phrase here, it seems appropriate to strike it in the other articles as well. Such a campaign to eliminate "tender age" from wikipedia would be little more than delightfully silly. The word "tender" in this article only really appears absurd because it's an absurd thing to fight for. When outsiders fight for absurd edits, editors naturally suspect shenanigans. Usually caution is the way to go in such situations, but here I worry your instincts are triggering a false alarm. To the average reader, "tender" works fine, and doesn't actually merit this much discussion. I say let the crowds have this one. In the alternative, you could build your bot to remove the phrase from other articles, articles on Nandivarman_II, where 12 years is tender, or Dhruva where again 5 years is tender, and dozens of others. That approach strikes me as a notable waste of time. Stumbled upon this argument, not particularly interested in the outcome, hope my two cents are helpful. -- Thomas B♘ talk 01:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I strongly agree with the use of "tender" in this context. Make this search on google: "tender age" site:wikipedia.org There are 725 results. The fact is that the phrase is a common, well-accepted and understood phrase, and it is highly relevant in the statement on the streets page as it lends relevance to the statement about the age at which he began as a musician. The literal statement is that he began at age five, the underlying meaning is that he was a musician from early childhood as opposed to the more common later starting age. The use of "tender" highlights the specific relevance of the raw fact. Anyway, I won't waste any more breath on faithless, as I'm sure he's very busy with 725 wikipedia pages to edit. GO FAITHLESS, GO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.235.233.71 ( talk) 03:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I'm the OP, and I can categorically assure faithless that I am not talk - was just referencing this page in a discussion on bios of living persons, and thought I'd see where we had got to. Still, "consensus" seems to be building more toward my POV. Interesting, huh? 86.169.165.179 ( talk) 18:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Agree: I'm amazed at the heat generated by this debate, over words now deleted presumably a reference to Skinner on keyboards at a tender age. This is a perfectly understandable and acceptable use of English, anyone objecting must be sadly literal to get over excited by its use. Zerowhite ( talk) 04:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Today I was editing the article and I find the word 'tender' to be rather annoying. Why is being five years old considered 'tender'? I do believe it is inappropriate because it implies that being five years old and making music is something special - which of course would be crossing Wikipedia's guide on NPOV. It is like saying "When Skinner was only five years old, he already was making music" - that is downright POV. 'Tender age' might mean 'at a young age', but if you put 'tender' and 'playing keyboards' together it suggests it's something special, extraordinary even.
There is no valid reason to keep the word there. Saying other articles have the same phrase is of course no argument either (see [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). The argument that it is "an acceptable use of English" doesn't matter here either, because we use English to try be as encyclopedic as possible, and not to use everyday English. -- Soetermans | drop me a line | what I'd do now? 17:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Frankly it's amazing that this nonsense has gone on for so long. This a clear, unambiguous addition of a point of view that does not feature in any cite provided. Calling his age "tender" is offering an opinion and is not neutral. It is suggesting that his age was remarkably young for what he was doing. Whether it was or not is matter of opinion and should not appear in an encyclopaedia.
If we were to permit additions like this then we should also permit contrary opinions. What if it was my opinion that five is actually quite a normal age to start to learn keyboards? How about we add "Skinner began using a keyboard at the usual age of five." Or what if I thought he was actually quite backward? "Skinner began using a keyboard at the advanced age of five." Or what if I thought that five was too young? "Skinner began using a keyboard at the premature age of five."
All point of view, all equally not acceptable. Can't believe this has to be explained. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 00:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Agree: You can argue the semantics all you want but its the AGE that is tender not the person, surely a child should be taken care off, a child should not be left to look after itself, therefore "tender" for some one under any adult age in my opinoin would be tender regardless of the person.
I think it's quite amazing that it's been 11 years since this discussion started and still the issue continues...I reverted the IP again this morning. Rob van vee 06:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
The provided citation is for a tweet posted to Mike Skinner's account in June 2009 that explicitly states that the album will be released in February 2010. This is originally what the text of the article said. However, it has since been updated to indicate Q3/Q4 2010 with no new citation or rationale. I haven't seen any authoritative indication that the album has been delayed to that timeframe. If someone has a reference, please incorporate it, because the article as it stands is inaccurate. Warrenm ( talk) 16:49, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
This article makes reference to Reebok Classics. "classics" could also refer to classic dance/club tunes. when i say "put on some classics" i'm referring to music, not shoes. I know Mike is a fan of Reebok Classics but i'm pretty sure this could be a double meaning.
~~Alpaca37~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpaca37 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
...yet the article states that he was rapping before then and that he made his first track at the age of 15 (which would be around 1993). Can an earlier date be put than 2000? FM [ talk to me | show contributions ] 15:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm listening to it now! Must be unofficial, maybe a leek, but I know everything by The Streets, and this is new. Also comes in a new style, as hoped for. "On the roof of your car, at the stars" "Gaze up to the skies, truth, you've opened up my eyes"
Apparently, as I'm researching, the track, that will possibly be included on the new album, was released online by skinner himself: http://twitter.com/skinnermike
I love it!
this isn't where I heard it first, but,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmRfxlPktXg —Preceding
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that first bit's a load of nonsense. Johnny Drum Machine and Kevin Mark Trail were recruited as touring members long after the streets had first been incarnated. it started as a colaboration between skinner and a few other mates, one of whom was/is a part of a group called mouth almighty (crispy i think his name was?) skinner has posted a piece that he'd written about the formation of the streets and transition to just him and about the bitterness that was on their website when it started. although his musical history i'm sure goes back the the early/mid nineties i'm pretty sure the streets didnt materialise as an idea until 1999ish after skinner had lived in australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.185.139 ( talk) 17:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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Their song on the "On the of a coin" was also features in the game life is strange 2!! 😍😍 2A02:3033:40B:F68A:D8EB:94C8:1C33:97E5 ( talk) 09:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)