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They were from Los Angeles, NOT Massachusetts! Dirty Water was not written by them
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Ghmyrtle ( talk) 22:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I would say we have another one:
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Looks like we can add another to the list, judging by this edit. No other contribs except to this article. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 19:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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I am confused by the latest edit by Standell66 adding in final para Although the Standells™ have gone through various incarnations over the years (with Tony Valentino being the only member to never have left the band), but, since he is not in the current lineup, did the band thus leave him? Then there's the WP:PEA-worthy Their impact on the musical space-time continuum is immense, and the assertion of popular opinion - clearly, the band's core line-up recognized by the public (and has secondary meaning).
Also the addition of tm and registration symbols throughout is just a little over the top, and I am guessing not in keeping with WP:MOS.
So I am fixing those things, and have also done a general clean up. thus.
Wwwhatsup ( talk) 07:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Much of the article is primary research, and thus subject to more scrutiny than usual as to secondary references. The good ones being, apart from the Burgess/Knowlin bio, the 2011 EPH and the 2004 LA Times, and also the (removed in the last edit) Garage Hangover. I've got a feeling this last one went because its version of the classic lineup omits Dick Dodd.
Larry Tamblyn did apply to trademark The Standells name in 2009, granted in 2010. Reading the patent application, apart from the Burgess/Knowlin bio, it only makes reference to the band's facebook and, indeed, this Wikipedia article - but no further independent sources including the "dba" filed in the State Of California in 1964 mentioned in the article.
What would be great is if someone who has the book could go through and improve and thoroughly reference the article.
Wwwhatsup ( talk) 07:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I am extremely dubious about this assertion, and particularly it's inclusion in the lede. This appears to me to be a self-aggrandizing title put about by the band or its immediate supporters. Even the LA Times article used as a ref distances itself saying "thought by some to be the godfathers of punk rock", while noting in its own lede that the band were "one hit wonders". A google search on the phrase, apart from this Wikipedia article, doesn't reveal a single other hit in the first 50 apart from a YouTube submitted by a user called "Chizoom" and a blurb from the band's own agency. A search on the phrase +"The Standells" reveals that most of the mentions are based on the Wikipedia article or the band's own publicity or sites. I believe it should be removed. Or included in the style section, saying something along the lines of "In latter years the band attempted to take on the mantle of punk, styling themselves "the godfathers of punk rock"". Wwwhatsup ( talk) 04:24, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
There's a little confusion over this. Chizoom removed the ref to the 2009 service mark application, inserting instead the generic http://tess2.uspto.gov/ search page to validate the 1962 date. That link, if searched, will lead back to the removed ref. The USPTO accepted the 1962 first use claim in Tamblyn's submission. This is essentially because nobody challenged it, I think. Other secondary sources should be found to corroborate the 1962 founding, if any. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 04:57, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that the 1964 photo shows the band to have particularly long hair, but I guess by American standards of the day it is. What's more interesting is this 1963 pic with the name spelled with a single 'l'. Is that a typo, or did the spelling change? Wwwhatsup ( talk) 06:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Here's a few more that I haven't parsed as yet. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 07:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Ghmyrtle probably has more familiarity with style policy so I will be advised by his/her opinion but, to me, the article reads awkwardly with all the extra info, birth date + place, other band credits on every member. I think readers would be better served by a straight history. The further details of the band members should perhaps all be moved into a personnel section. I've started, but not finished, the job Wwwhatsup ( talk) 13:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Reading between the lines I am guessing the reason that Standell66 is so concerned about the membership issue, in contrast perhaps to name ownership, is that there are certain monies, or potential monies, that are accruable collectively to the group, including income from future live appearances which trade on the long time reputation of the group. Thus asserting continuing membership status is important. This would be the 'legal' matter referred to. not surprising that there is not much sourceable info out there. It's not technically a disupute over the name, just over shareouts. There are precedents where there are touring members and non-touring members. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 23:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
None of that is referenced, of course. We have sources saying that the Standells (or, "a version of the Standells") currently comprise Tamblyn, Fleck and two others, but no sources stating that it currently contains Dodd and Valentino, or even any reliable sources stating that it is a matter of legal dispute, only a quote from Tamblyn alluding to the general issue. So, we must, in my view, go with what the sources say. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 07:12, 3 September 2011 (UTC)"Niether Dick Dodd nor Tony Valentino departed/quit the Standells. Nor did Tamblyn create the band name. This is all related to an ongoing legal matter re- an alleged unlawful and fraudulent application Tamblyn filed in trademarking the Standells; re- his alleged misappropriation of monies he has collected and not distributed to and which belong to other members; his intentional and malicious interference with other band members' rights to use the name and ability to do work, as well as re- other issues (eg- his wife is in alleged violation of California Labor Law in unlawfully acting as a talent agent without a license in booking shows and doing Standells business, and is an alleged conspirator in the aforementioned Larry Tamblyn acts). It is being alleged that Mr. Tamblyn and his wife are in violation of both state and federal law. My understanding of Wikipedia is that it have facts. The gords of edits that have been created by Tamblyn and his wife contradict themselves, have contradicted his own trademark application- as you can see for yourself- and are deceiving the public."
NAME: I'd like to see some discussion about the name of the group. At the time they were popular, there was a manufacturer of guitar amplifiers named "Standell"art, and I believe the band used these amplifiers, thus making them a product placement item. L. Tamblyn in recent articles related to Dick Dodd's death, claims he invented the name because ...they stood around a lot in agents' offices waiting for work.... Anybody know anything about this? Daniel Sparkman ( talk) 11:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
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Ghmyrtle ( talk) 22:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I would say we have another one:
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Looks like we can add another to the list, judging by this edit. No other contribs except to this article. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 19:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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I am confused by the latest edit by Standell66 adding in final para Although the Standells™ have gone through various incarnations over the years (with Tony Valentino being the only member to never have left the band), but, since he is not in the current lineup, did the band thus leave him? Then there's the WP:PEA-worthy Their impact on the musical space-time continuum is immense, and the assertion of popular opinion - clearly, the band's core line-up recognized by the public (and has secondary meaning).
Also the addition of tm and registration symbols throughout is just a little over the top, and I am guessing not in keeping with WP:MOS.
So I am fixing those things, and have also done a general clean up. thus.
Wwwhatsup ( talk) 07:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Much of the article is primary research, and thus subject to more scrutiny than usual as to secondary references. The good ones being, apart from the Burgess/Knowlin bio, the 2011 EPH and the 2004 LA Times, and also the (removed in the last edit) Garage Hangover. I've got a feeling this last one went because its version of the classic lineup omits Dick Dodd.
Larry Tamblyn did apply to trademark The Standells name in 2009, granted in 2010. Reading the patent application, apart from the Burgess/Knowlin bio, it only makes reference to the band's facebook and, indeed, this Wikipedia article - but no further independent sources including the "dba" filed in the State Of California in 1964 mentioned in the article.
What would be great is if someone who has the book could go through and improve and thoroughly reference the article.
Wwwhatsup ( talk) 07:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I am extremely dubious about this assertion, and particularly it's inclusion in the lede. This appears to me to be a self-aggrandizing title put about by the band or its immediate supporters. Even the LA Times article used as a ref distances itself saying "thought by some to be the godfathers of punk rock", while noting in its own lede that the band were "one hit wonders". A google search on the phrase, apart from this Wikipedia article, doesn't reveal a single other hit in the first 50 apart from a YouTube submitted by a user called "Chizoom" and a blurb from the band's own agency. A search on the phrase +"The Standells" reveals that most of the mentions are based on the Wikipedia article or the band's own publicity or sites. I believe it should be removed. Or included in the style section, saying something along the lines of "In latter years the band attempted to take on the mantle of punk, styling themselves "the godfathers of punk rock"". Wwwhatsup ( talk) 04:24, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
There's a little confusion over this. Chizoom removed the ref to the 2009 service mark application, inserting instead the generic http://tess2.uspto.gov/ search page to validate the 1962 date. That link, if searched, will lead back to the removed ref. The USPTO accepted the 1962 first use claim in Tamblyn's submission. This is essentially because nobody challenged it, I think. Other secondary sources should be found to corroborate the 1962 founding, if any. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 04:57, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that the 1964 photo shows the band to have particularly long hair, but I guess by American standards of the day it is. What's more interesting is this 1963 pic with the name spelled with a single 'l'. Is that a typo, or did the spelling change? Wwwhatsup ( talk) 06:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Here's a few more that I haven't parsed as yet. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 07:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Ghmyrtle probably has more familiarity with style policy so I will be advised by his/her opinion but, to me, the article reads awkwardly with all the extra info, birth date + place, other band credits on every member. I think readers would be better served by a straight history. The further details of the band members should perhaps all be moved into a personnel section. I've started, but not finished, the job Wwwhatsup ( talk) 13:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Reading between the lines I am guessing the reason that Standell66 is so concerned about the membership issue, in contrast perhaps to name ownership, is that there are certain monies, or potential monies, that are accruable collectively to the group, including income from future live appearances which trade on the long time reputation of the group. Thus asserting continuing membership status is important. This would be the 'legal' matter referred to. not surprising that there is not much sourceable info out there. It's not technically a disupute over the name, just over shareouts. There are precedents where there are touring members and non-touring members. Wwwhatsup ( talk) 23:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
None of that is referenced, of course. We have sources saying that the Standells (or, "a version of the Standells") currently comprise Tamblyn, Fleck and two others, but no sources stating that it currently contains Dodd and Valentino, or even any reliable sources stating that it is a matter of legal dispute, only a quote from Tamblyn alluding to the general issue. So, we must, in my view, go with what the sources say. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 07:12, 3 September 2011 (UTC)"Niether Dick Dodd nor Tony Valentino departed/quit the Standells. Nor did Tamblyn create the band name. This is all related to an ongoing legal matter re- an alleged unlawful and fraudulent application Tamblyn filed in trademarking the Standells; re- his alleged misappropriation of monies he has collected and not distributed to and which belong to other members; his intentional and malicious interference with other band members' rights to use the name and ability to do work, as well as re- other issues (eg- his wife is in alleged violation of California Labor Law in unlawfully acting as a talent agent without a license in booking shows and doing Standells business, and is an alleged conspirator in the aforementioned Larry Tamblyn acts). It is being alleged that Mr. Tamblyn and his wife are in violation of both state and federal law. My understanding of Wikipedia is that it have facts. The gords of edits that have been created by Tamblyn and his wife contradict themselves, have contradicted his own trademark application- as you can see for yourself- and are deceiving the public."
NAME: I'd like to see some discussion about the name of the group. At the time they were popular, there was a manufacturer of guitar amplifiers named "Standell"art, and I believe the band used these amplifiers, thus making them a product placement item. L. Tamblyn in recent articles related to Dick Dodd's death, claims he invented the name because ...they stood around a lot in agents' offices waiting for work.... Anybody know anything about this? Daniel Sparkman ( talk) 11:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
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