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There is a couple of references to Selsey in the article. Strictly speaking Selsey is not in the Solent it is in the English Channel. Check Admiralty Chart 2036. Or put another way the Solent is to the west of Nab Tower, Selsey is to the east of the Nab Tower. Check any nautical reference and it will point this out, eg: The English Chnnnel pilot. Wilfridselsey ( talk) 09:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
This article is over-linked. The references to sea,tidal, port, oak, forest, glacier give no detail pertinent to the subject, and just clutter and obscure the content.
Attempts to remove the clutter have upset people, so care must be taken resolving the problem
The article says that the Solent "is renowned as one of the most expensive waters to cross by ferry in the world". I'm curious about this. Can someone who knows about this expand on it? Why is it so expensive? How much does it cost? I assume this expense is on a per-distance basis; some ferries travel much further, and must be more expensive. CDC (talk) 23:29, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article include some reference to No Man's Land Fort? The Seventh Taylor 19:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a Solent (disambiguation) page as per WP:D? Especially with this article having a section entitled " other uses of the name" (two of which are linked to other articles). Booglamay ( talk) 15:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Any idea how wide it is at its narrowest point? -- Joopercoopers ( talk) 23:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Can someone expand upon that fact considering the River Frome doesn't even empty into the Solent, anymore? I'm trying to picture exactly how this could have been the case, and can't. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 09:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
This article has two sections titled "Geology". Suggest merging them. Magicmike ( talk) 12:34, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
http://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/4/2/430/htm
Talks about the overal situation and a couple of past events. ©Geni ( talk) 16:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move. There's no agreement that the "The" should be included per WP:THE. Cúchullain t/ c 20:08, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
– Its called "The Solent". See: map. Britannica inc. also use The Solent (strait, English Channel). --Relisted. George Ho away from home ( talk) 20:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC) Greg Kaye 18:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Greg Kaye 08:49, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Oppose: There is no evidence that “The Solent” is a proper name, let alone a commonname. If it were then the Battle of the Solent would be The Battle of The Solent and sources don’t support that. If it were Lee-on-the-Solent would be Lee-on-The-Solent and sources don’t support that. In most references to the Mary Rose, sunk in the Solent in 1545, “the Solent’’ appears in running text. Additionally, a JSTOR search reveals overwhelmingly, “the Solent” is used in running text in all manner of journal articles. There is also a point of potential confusion by using “The Solent” as Vaughn Williams has an album entitled “The Solent” (2013) [6] -- Mike Cline ( talk) 13:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Product Description" of the album presents: "
... The Impressions, recorded here for the first time, describe three natural beauties of England - Burley Heath, Harnham Down and The Solent. ..."..
Mark Arnold Picks on the Beatles", "
which on The Beatles' song", "
a good promotional job at all on the Beatles", "
Early Influences on the Beatles" and "
a pun on the Beatles' Merseyside origins". An instance of adjectival use presented "
picked up rather late on the Beatles' success". There is even more ambiguity on "Solent" with subjects of more greater notability than the Vaughan Williams' album being listed at Solent (disambiguation). Greg Kaye 08:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
oppose 'the Solent' is not a proper name. It takes 'the' like any other proper names but 'the' is not part of the name, no more than it is for the Pennines, the Weald or any similar geographical feature. You need only look at the external links to this article to find it used without 'the'. That the 'predominant use' is with 'the' is irrelevant. WP policy is to not include 'the' unless it is part of the name or it changes the meaning somehow if its omitted.-- JohnBlackburne words deeds 14:19, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
JohnBlackburne To the right are the two maps as found at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Solent both with the name of the subject clearly presented:
The "
their logo from their drumkit
" is all caps. On this basis would you advocate a move from:
The Beatles →
THE BEATLES? Of course not. In any case, in Wikipedia we go by commonly recognizable name not official name. Please also see image search results on:
"with the beatles",
"on the beatles",
"of the beatles" and anything else editors would like to try.
In any conception of WP:UCRN, if something is most commonly known by a name, inclusive of situations where it may be "known almost universally locally" by that particular name, then that is the name that we should use - no exceptions Here is a books search on: the hague. Results from the first page of results (where "the hague" appears mid text but not used adjectivally) are:
Should we move The Hague → Hague or would that be vague? See: Hague (disambiguation)
Solent is also ambiguous and yet this is easily rectified. It is most commonly known as "The Solent"/"the Solent".
Greg Kaye 07:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
BrayLockBoy very true, solent map. In sequence the labels or titles are: 1. "The Coast of the Solent ..."; 2. no marking; 3, "THE SOLENT"; 4. one inland marking saying "Solent" with "The Solent" repeated on the associated page; 5. "WEST SOLENT" and "EAST SOLENT"; 6. no marking; 7. no marking; 8. "THE SOLENT"; 9. no marking; 10. "THE SOLENT"; 11. "West Solent", "East Solent", 12. "The Solent"; 13. "The Solent"; 14. no marking; 15. "The Solent"; 16. "The Solent"; 17. "THE SOLENT"; 18 "THE SOLENT"; 19. no marking. All map markings in the sea indicated "The Solent" with the exception of a minority specifying "West Solent" and "East Solent". Greg Kaye 19:49, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Comment I admit I don't know a great deal about naming conventions and use of "the" on Wikipedia, but from a local perspective, no-one refers to it as "Solent", it is always referred to as "The Solent". Editor5807 speak 18:03, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
The text currently implies that rivers arising from the melting of the last ice sheet caused flooding and scouring of the Solent - beyond permafrost, there was no ice within the catchment so this seems unlikely. Where is the evidence? Secondly glacial rebound is not about an east-west axis but, reflecting the amassing of ice over northern England and Wales too, is more of a NE-SW axis. How much of this is covered by the cited book by Murphy? cheers Geopersona ( talk) 06:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I propose that the content from the South Hampshire article should be merged into here. The political application of the term "Solent" corresponds to the South Hampshire entity. For example, the "City Deal" and prospective combined authority was named Solent. Information on Climate and demographics will be identical. Jonjonjohny ( talk) 09:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Oppose The Solent is a geomorphological feature, South Hampshire is a group of administrative areas. The two are not comparable, nor is one a part of the other. Naturenet | Talk 00:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:55, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Solent → The Solent – "The" is an integral part of the name per the Ordnance Survey (note that is uses "Solent, The" becuase that's how things are sorted there, just like here we will defaultsort it in this way). Per WP:WIAN and WP:CONSISTENCY we should generally follow the Ordnance Survey (unless a more specific name is preferred (say for idiomatic reasons), such as per WP:UKDISTRICTS or WP:NATURAL). The Swale and The Wash are other similar example of a geographical features that have "The" in them. Note that the Isle of Wight is without the "The" but The Needles isn't even though the Emirates Spinnaker Tower uses "the Needles" in running text and as noted above "the Beatles" is also used sometimes in running text. WP:THE is useful in situations where its unclear but a reliable nationally used map makes it clear that the "The" is part of the name. Encyclopædia Britannica also uses " The Solent" and indeed "The Solent" is used in running text along with "The Needles" but "the Isle of Wight" is used for the island. Thus per WP:COMMONNAME "Other encyclopedias are among the sources that may be helpful in deciding what titles are in an encyclopedic register". The last RM included moving the DAB to the base name, I have omitted that in this RM so that "Solent" can continue to redirect here but if people think the DAB should be moved then I'm OK with that. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 18:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisted. – Ammarpad ( talk) 05:37, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Greg
Kaye 19:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
The above section should not have been closed so hastily, with no attempt to generate further discussion. What does "non-admin closure" mean? Higher up this page the section "Requested move 21 April 2015" shows that there was opposition to moving the page, with valid reasons. The name of this body of water is simply "Solent", even though it is often preceded by the definite article in continuous prose. See the English Channel, the Strait of Dover or the Bristol Channel for similar examples. Note also that we have Solent University, Solent NHS Trust, Solent Airport, Solent Rescue, Solent Sky, Solent TV, Solent Way, none of which include "the" in their name. -- 92.40.134.248 ( talk) 15:24, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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There is a couple of references to Selsey in the article. Strictly speaking Selsey is not in the Solent it is in the English Channel. Check Admiralty Chart 2036. Or put another way the Solent is to the west of Nab Tower, Selsey is to the east of the Nab Tower. Check any nautical reference and it will point this out, eg: The English Chnnnel pilot. Wilfridselsey ( talk) 09:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
This article is over-linked. The references to sea,tidal, port, oak, forest, glacier give no detail pertinent to the subject, and just clutter and obscure the content.
Attempts to remove the clutter have upset people, so care must be taken resolving the problem
The article says that the Solent "is renowned as one of the most expensive waters to cross by ferry in the world". I'm curious about this. Can someone who knows about this expand on it? Why is it so expensive? How much does it cost? I assume this expense is on a per-distance basis; some ferries travel much further, and must be more expensive. CDC (talk) 23:29, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article include some reference to No Man's Land Fort? The Seventh Taylor 19:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a Solent (disambiguation) page as per WP:D? Especially with this article having a section entitled " other uses of the name" (two of which are linked to other articles). Booglamay ( talk) 15:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Any idea how wide it is at its narrowest point? -- Joopercoopers ( talk) 23:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Can someone expand upon that fact considering the River Frome doesn't even empty into the Solent, anymore? I'm trying to picture exactly how this could have been the case, and can't. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 09:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
This article has two sections titled "Geology". Suggest merging them. Magicmike ( talk) 12:34, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
http://www.mdpi.com/2073-4441/4/2/430/htm
Talks about the overal situation and a couple of past events. ©Geni ( talk) 16:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No move. There's no agreement that the "The" should be included per WP:THE. Cúchullain t/ c 20:08, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
– Its called "The Solent". See: map. Britannica inc. also use The Solent (strait, English Channel). --Relisted. George Ho away from home ( talk) 20:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC) Greg Kaye 18:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Greg Kaye 08:49, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Oppose: There is no evidence that “The Solent” is a proper name, let alone a commonname. If it were then the Battle of the Solent would be The Battle of The Solent and sources don’t support that. If it were Lee-on-the-Solent would be Lee-on-The-Solent and sources don’t support that. In most references to the Mary Rose, sunk in the Solent in 1545, “the Solent’’ appears in running text. Additionally, a JSTOR search reveals overwhelmingly, “the Solent” is used in running text in all manner of journal articles. There is also a point of potential confusion by using “The Solent” as Vaughn Williams has an album entitled “The Solent” (2013) [6] -- Mike Cline ( talk) 13:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Product Description" of the album presents: "
... The Impressions, recorded here for the first time, describe three natural beauties of England - Burley Heath, Harnham Down and The Solent. ..."..
Mark Arnold Picks on the Beatles", "
which on The Beatles' song", "
a good promotional job at all on the Beatles", "
Early Influences on the Beatles" and "
a pun on the Beatles' Merseyside origins". An instance of adjectival use presented "
picked up rather late on the Beatles' success". There is even more ambiguity on "Solent" with subjects of more greater notability than the Vaughan Williams' album being listed at Solent (disambiguation). Greg Kaye 08:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
oppose 'the Solent' is not a proper name. It takes 'the' like any other proper names but 'the' is not part of the name, no more than it is for the Pennines, the Weald or any similar geographical feature. You need only look at the external links to this article to find it used without 'the'. That the 'predominant use' is with 'the' is irrelevant. WP policy is to not include 'the' unless it is part of the name or it changes the meaning somehow if its omitted.-- JohnBlackburne words deeds 14:19, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
JohnBlackburne To the right are the two maps as found at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Solent both with the name of the subject clearly presented:
The "
their logo from their drumkit
" is all caps. On this basis would you advocate a move from:
The Beatles →
THE BEATLES? Of course not. In any case, in Wikipedia we go by commonly recognizable name not official name. Please also see image search results on:
"with the beatles",
"on the beatles",
"of the beatles" and anything else editors would like to try.
In any conception of WP:UCRN, if something is most commonly known by a name, inclusive of situations where it may be "known almost universally locally" by that particular name, then that is the name that we should use - no exceptions Here is a books search on: the hague. Results from the first page of results (where "the hague" appears mid text but not used adjectivally) are:
Should we move The Hague → Hague or would that be vague? See: Hague (disambiguation)
Solent is also ambiguous and yet this is easily rectified. It is most commonly known as "The Solent"/"the Solent".
Greg Kaye 07:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
BrayLockBoy very true, solent map. In sequence the labels or titles are: 1. "The Coast of the Solent ..."; 2. no marking; 3, "THE SOLENT"; 4. one inland marking saying "Solent" with "The Solent" repeated on the associated page; 5. "WEST SOLENT" and "EAST SOLENT"; 6. no marking; 7. no marking; 8. "THE SOLENT"; 9. no marking; 10. "THE SOLENT"; 11. "West Solent", "East Solent", 12. "The Solent"; 13. "The Solent"; 14. no marking; 15. "The Solent"; 16. "The Solent"; 17. "THE SOLENT"; 18 "THE SOLENT"; 19. no marking. All map markings in the sea indicated "The Solent" with the exception of a minority specifying "West Solent" and "East Solent". Greg Kaye 19:49, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Comment I admit I don't know a great deal about naming conventions and use of "the" on Wikipedia, but from a local perspective, no-one refers to it as "Solent", it is always referred to as "The Solent". Editor5807 speak 18:03, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
The text currently implies that rivers arising from the melting of the last ice sheet caused flooding and scouring of the Solent - beyond permafrost, there was no ice within the catchment so this seems unlikely. Where is the evidence? Secondly glacial rebound is not about an east-west axis but, reflecting the amassing of ice over northern England and Wales too, is more of a NE-SW axis. How much of this is covered by the cited book by Murphy? cheers Geopersona ( talk) 06:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I propose that the content from the South Hampshire article should be merged into here. The political application of the term "Solent" corresponds to the South Hampshire entity. For example, the "City Deal" and prospective combined authority was named Solent. Information on Climate and demographics will be identical. Jonjonjohny ( talk) 09:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Oppose The Solent is a geomorphological feature, South Hampshire is a group of administrative areas. The two are not comparable, nor is one a part of the other. Naturenet | Talk 00:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:55, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Solent → The Solent – "The" is an integral part of the name per the Ordnance Survey (note that is uses "Solent, The" becuase that's how things are sorted there, just like here we will defaultsort it in this way). Per WP:WIAN and WP:CONSISTENCY we should generally follow the Ordnance Survey (unless a more specific name is preferred (say for idiomatic reasons), such as per WP:UKDISTRICTS or WP:NATURAL). The Swale and The Wash are other similar example of a geographical features that have "The" in them. Note that the Isle of Wight is without the "The" but The Needles isn't even though the Emirates Spinnaker Tower uses "the Needles" in running text and as noted above "the Beatles" is also used sometimes in running text. WP:THE is useful in situations where its unclear but a reliable nationally used map makes it clear that the "The" is part of the name. Encyclopædia Britannica also uses " The Solent" and indeed "The Solent" is used in running text along with "The Needles" but "the Isle of Wight" is used for the island. Thus per WP:COMMONNAME "Other encyclopedias are among the sources that may be helpful in deciding what titles are in an encyclopedic register". The last RM included moving the DAB to the base name, I have omitted that in this RM so that "Solent" can continue to redirect here but if people think the DAB should be moved then I'm OK with that. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 18:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisted. – Ammarpad ( talk) 05:37, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Greg
Kaye 19:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
The above section should not have been closed so hastily, with no attempt to generate further discussion. What does "non-admin closure" mean? Higher up this page the section "Requested move 21 April 2015" shows that there was opposition to moving the page, with valid reasons. The name of this body of water is simply "Solent", even though it is often preceded by the definite article in continuous prose. See the English Channel, the Strait of Dover or the Bristol Channel for similar examples. Note also that we have Solent University, Solent NHS Trust, Solent Airport, Solent Rescue, Solent Sky, Solent TV, Solent Way, none of which include "the" in their name. -- 92.40.134.248 ( talk) 15:24, 12 August 2019 (UTC)