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The first sentence for this article reads, "The Sims 3 is a 2009 strategic life simulation computer game...." However, this statement has two contradicting terms, "simulation" and "game".
A game is interactive, has game-defined objectives to complete, and a winning condition among one or more losing conditions. Chess, for example, is a game. It is interactive (that is, players play the game). The objectives are to take other pieces, protect your king, and attack the other king. The winning condition is that you checkmate the other king. The losing condition is that your king is checkmated.
A simulator is interactive and has user-defined objectives to complete. Unlike a game, there is no game-defined winning condition or losing condition. The Sims 3, for example, is a computerized simulator. It is interactive (that is, users control the simulation). The objectives are whatever the user wants them to be. The user may or may not define his or her own winning/losing conditions.
A simulator is not a game and should not be considered as such.
The first sentence of this article should read something to the effect of, "The Sims 3 is a 2009 strategic life computer simulator...."
Jarmihi ( talk) 18:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that recently more content had been added to the EP/ SP sections, like "Seasonal" and "Future Living". But now they're gone. Why? Paleo Kid ( talk) 20:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I guess that they're just not reliable...
Paleo Kid (
talk)
00:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
They haven't been confirmed.
I noticed that The Sims 3 has "rumored" that there would be two installments in first quarter of 2012, and thus, not worthy enough to post the unreliable information that has not been confirmed by Electronic Arts or The Sims Studios. So, if I am out of line or not looking at The Sims 3 official site about the Master Suite Stuff, and so please {{ Cite}} and {{ Ref}} the item if there is any published [ress release(s) about this and subsequent installment releases. Just a Wikipedia rule to reference things when there is NO INFORMATION is available at publishing post on this, and others, sites. Common Sense. Sundogs Wikia UserPage | Roller Derby Wiki 00:29, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
You know I Wikipedia is talkin about a Sims 3 in a different place cause This is not anything about my Sims 3... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.205.243 ( talk) 12:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I was just looking at the Spanish Wikipedia, and noticed they had individual articles for stuff packs there. What do you think? Zach.vega1 ( talk) 12:00, 23 August 2011 (UTC) i think that is is a good idea 84.208.59.120 ( talk) 17:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
If Riverview is in here shouldn't the new store world, Hidden Springs be too? — Aiden 17:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
There are twelve non-free images in this article, including two box arts, three screenshots of cities/landscapes etc., a pointless logo and at least three screenshots that tell the reader nothing that couldn't be explained in text (i.e. we clearly don't need images to show that Sims can go fishing or be astronauts). I will tidy the article soon, but it would probably be best if someone familiar with the article decided which of the landscape photos should stay, for example. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
EA's done a lot of work in marketing The Sims 3. This includes: posters, banners, Bus ads, TV ads, a.s.o.
And then for Console versions too: TV ads featuring a human in the Sim world, etc.
Same goes for every expansion pack, as they each included their respected prorating strategies. — Aiden 19:51, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Do we need this?
Perhaps it could be moved to a different section.
Or:
— Aiden 03:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Maybe /* Release */ should be upgraded to a bigger section. As it is a vital stage in the Game's history. So it goes like 'Development > Release > Commercial and Critical Success and Reception' Each with their own == ==.
And the iOS traits table should be moved the appropriate Sims iOS page. Because there isn't any, I would suggest that it be made.
Also: what about a page for each respective console release of the Sims 3, because each of them released differently, got different reception and different marketing. Or maybe simply a collection page for the iOS releases, just as there is one for The Sims 3 Stuff Packs.
— Aiden 03:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm thinking to archive about all but 8 sections above this. What do you think? — Aiden 04:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
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In conclusion, there are enough significant issues in the article in that merely placing on hold is not going to do any good, so I am going to fail this GA nomination soon. My suggestions are the following: Keep things simple, fix the article scope and coverage, and fix the basic stuff before expanding it. After that, you may also wish to request a peer review before you re-nominate so that everything is good to go.
This is the first time I review something here at wikipedia. If you have any questions on these points, or if you think I'm being unreasonable, please ask. -- Niwi3 ( talk) 11:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed that Sunset Valley (shipped with the base game) and Riverview (free download from site) has been mentioned in the article, however, with the introduction of Barnacle Bay and Hidden Springs which are The Sims 3 base game worlds, is it wise to add these two in the main article in the worlds section. Feedback is needed. Sundogs Wikia UserPage | Roller Derby Wiki 00:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Per WP:GAMEGUIDE, "avoid lists of gameplay weapons, items, or concepts", I'm pretty sure that level of detail is too much for an article. A list of more than a hundred items with no real information falls into WP:FANCRUFT territory as well, which points back to WP:NOT. I suggest removing the moodlets list, and perhaps reconsidering how much of the other details that have been added over time are really necessary. — Torchiest talk edits 14:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
( Zeedollz ( talk) 09:13, 14 December 2011 (UTC))
Under the Editions and add-ons: 3.3 Stuff Packs: Fast Lane Stuff: Includes (section), the following is repeated and needs to be removed(shown in bold):
It features 12 new vehicles and many new objects and styles of clothing, as well as the Vehicle Enthusiast trait and also enables Sims to have a relationship with their vehicle. With this stuff pack, Sims will be able to develop a relationship with their car.
Also with this particular text I suggest the following edit (shown in bold):
From: It features 12 new vehicles and many new objects and styles of clothing, as well as the Vehicle Enthusiast trait, and also enables Sims to have a relationship with their vehicle.
To: It features 12 new vehicles and many new objects and styles of clothing, as well as the Vehicle Enthusiast trait that enables Sims to have a relationship with their vehicle.
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in the List of Traits there are some mistakes.
1. in the mental column the trait Green Thumb is two times, the second Green Thumb must be replaced by Handy. Done
2. in the column Hidden in the Generations expansion the Lazy trait is two times, one must be deleted.
3. Totaly there are 81 traits and 17 hidden traits not 16
141.237.186.96 ( talk) 14:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
source--> http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Trait — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.177.75.234 ( talk) 23:05, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
New patch is out (1.29) for four days. Of course the wiki is locked and nobody gives a sh*t about updating it. http://www.thesims3.com/game/patches
Now the page looks stupid because SOMEONE wanted the patches on there and it takes too much space. SMDH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.109.34 ( talk) 18:15, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
This article reads like an advertisement and it's full of needless trivia. Not good. 75.42.84.189 ( talk) 06:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
please add it to the article. i know about it because i always use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 ( talk) 13:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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For example, instead of walking your sim and her date inside a restaurant and watching the waiter serve them dinner as they nuzzle each other at the table, as you could in The Sims 2, you now wait outside while getting little text alerts about your sim's activities. This lack of interaction with the city has led many critics to wonder why such emphasis was put on walking around town when there's hardly anything for your sim to really do.
This just seems like a personal opinion. "nuzzle each other"? This should probably be removed. There's no references at all and it seems pointless to have. 92.19.37.144 ( talk) 20:39, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
I just wanted to make a note here saying I completely agree with the removal of all the extraneous lists. I had been considering doing it myself for a while, as it clearly violates WP:GAMEGUIDE. — Torchiest talk edits 00:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
A Katy Perry expansion pack has been announced as well as a promo video, can we please add it?-- Jakeriederer ( talk) 20:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Can you supply proof, like an official blog? Otherwise it isn't enough to be on the article. -- I'm a Writer and you know it! :) ( talk) 02:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
CreatorWiki and his/her clone, SimEditorWiki have been making contributions that violate Wiki policy. Rarely are they constructive and they are frequently removed. In general he/she seems to have a poor understanding regarding what can be put in an article. I do not want to violate Wiki policy by edit warring myself. Especially if you're an administrator who has the power to block, please back me on this. I have left a message on their talk page trying to get them to understand WP policy. Those lists they added are inappropriate based on WP:GAMEGUIDE and WP:VGSCOPE. Even after having already explained to them in the past, they never seem to get the message, so I question their motives. - Cadiomals ( talk) 19:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
the article say multi-player only while the game only have single-player. 84.208.59.120 ( talk) 17:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
In the Create A Sim section:
I have just the base game, and these sliders are present. 78.129.220.46 ( talk) 16:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Semi-protection: High level of IP vandalism. Sundogs Wikia UserPage 04:29, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I suggest to archive, or at least to clean up, the talk page of this articles talk page leaving the unanswered or newer comment(s) on the talk page. The older text prior to, assuming, 30 days is sufficient enough to archive for the first The Sims 3 talk page archive. This is also a request of The Sims Project members to vote to clean up or archive. Thanks. Sundogs Wikia UserPage 00:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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The first sentence for this article reads, "The Sims 3 is a 2009 strategic life simulation computer game...." However, this statement has two contradicting terms, "simulation" and "game".
A game is interactive, has game-defined objectives to complete, and a winning condition among one or more losing conditions. Chess, for example, is a game. It is interactive (that is, players play the game). The objectives are to take other pieces, protect your king, and attack the other king. The winning condition is that you checkmate the other king. The losing condition is that your king is checkmated.
A simulator is interactive and has user-defined objectives to complete. Unlike a game, there is no game-defined winning condition or losing condition. The Sims 3, for example, is a computerized simulator. It is interactive (that is, users control the simulation). The objectives are whatever the user wants them to be. The user may or may not define his or her own winning/losing conditions.
A simulator is not a game and should not be considered as such.
The first sentence of this article should read something to the effect of, "The Sims 3 is a 2009 strategic life computer simulator...."
Jarmihi ( talk) 18:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that recently more content had been added to the EP/ SP sections, like "Seasonal" and "Future Living". But now they're gone. Why? Paleo Kid ( talk) 20:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I guess that they're just not reliable...
Paleo Kid (
talk)
00:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
They haven't been confirmed.
I noticed that The Sims 3 has "rumored" that there would be two installments in first quarter of 2012, and thus, not worthy enough to post the unreliable information that has not been confirmed by Electronic Arts or The Sims Studios. So, if I am out of line or not looking at The Sims 3 official site about the Master Suite Stuff, and so please {{ Cite}} and {{ Ref}} the item if there is any published [ress release(s) about this and subsequent installment releases. Just a Wikipedia rule to reference things when there is NO INFORMATION is available at publishing post on this, and others, sites. Common Sense. Sundogs Wikia UserPage | Roller Derby Wiki 00:29, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
You know I Wikipedia is talkin about a Sims 3 in a different place cause This is not anything about my Sims 3... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.205.243 ( talk) 12:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I was just looking at the Spanish Wikipedia, and noticed they had individual articles for stuff packs there. What do you think? Zach.vega1 ( talk) 12:00, 23 August 2011 (UTC) i think that is is a good idea 84.208.59.120 ( talk) 17:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
If Riverview is in here shouldn't the new store world, Hidden Springs be too? — Aiden 17:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
There are twelve non-free images in this article, including two box arts, three screenshots of cities/landscapes etc., a pointless logo and at least three screenshots that tell the reader nothing that couldn't be explained in text (i.e. we clearly don't need images to show that Sims can go fishing or be astronauts). I will tidy the article soon, but it would probably be best if someone familiar with the article decided which of the landscape photos should stay, for example. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
EA's done a lot of work in marketing The Sims 3. This includes: posters, banners, Bus ads, TV ads, a.s.o.
And then for Console versions too: TV ads featuring a human in the Sim world, etc.
Same goes for every expansion pack, as they each included their respected prorating strategies. — Aiden 19:51, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Do we need this?
Perhaps it could be moved to a different section.
Or:
— Aiden 03:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Maybe /* Release */ should be upgraded to a bigger section. As it is a vital stage in the Game's history. So it goes like 'Development > Release > Commercial and Critical Success and Reception' Each with their own == ==.
And the iOS traits table should be moved the appropriate Sims iOS page. Because there isn't any, I would suggest that it be made.
Also: what about a page for each respective console release of the Sims 3, because each of them released differently, got different reception and different marketing. Or maybe simply a collection page for the iOS releases, just as there is one for The Sims 3 Stuff Packs.
— Aiden 03:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm thinking to archive about all but 8 sections above this. What do you think? — Aiden 04:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
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In conclusion, there are enough significant issues in the article in that merely placing on hold is not going to do any good, so I am going to fail this GA nomination soon. My suggestions are the following: Keep things simple, fix the article scope and coverage, and fix the basic stuff before expanding it. After that, you may also wish to request a peer review before you re-nominate so that everything is good to go.
This is the first time I review something here at wikipedia. If you have any questions on these points, or if you think I'm being unreasonable, please ask. -- Niwi3 ( talk) 11:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed that Sunset Valley (shipped with the base game) and Riverview (free download from site) has been mentioned in the article, however, with the introduction of Barnacle Bay and Hidden Springs which are The Sims 3 base game worlds, is it wise to add these two in the main article in the worlds section. Feedback is needed. Sundogs Wikia UserPage | Roller Derby Wiki 00:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Per WP:GAMEGUIDE, "avoid lists of gameplay weapons, items, or concepts", I'm pretty sure that level of detail is too much for an article. A list of more than a hundred items with no real information falls into WP:FANCRUFT territory as well, which points back to WP:NOT. I suggest removing the moodlets list, and perhaps reconsidering how much of the other details that have been added over time are really necessary. — Torchiest talk edits 14:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
( Zeedollz ( talk) 09:13, 14 December 2011 (UTC))
Under the Editions and add-ons: 3.3 Stuff Packs: Fast Lane Stuff: Includes (section), the following is repeated and needs to be removed(shown in bold):
It features 12 new vehicles and many new objects and styles of clothing, as well as the Vehicle Enthusiast trait and also enables Sims to have a relationship with their vehicle. With this stuff pack, Sims will be able to develop a relationship with their car.
Also with this particular text I suggest the following edit (shown in bold):
From: It features 12 new vehicles and many new objects and styles of clothing, as well as the Vehicle Enthusiast trait, and also enables Sims to have a relationship with their vehicle.
To: It features 12 new vehicles and many new objects and styles of clothing, as well as the Vehicle Enthusiast trait that enables Sims to have a relationship with their vehicle.
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in the List of Traits there are some mistakes.
1. in the mental column the trait Green Thumb is two times, the second Green Thumb must be replaced by Handy. Done
2. in the column Hidden in the Generations expansion the Lazy trait is two times, one must be deleted.
3. Totaly there are 81 traits and 17 hidden traits not 16
141.237.186.96 ( talk) 14:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
source--> http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Trait — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.177.75.234 ( talk) 23:05, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
New patch is out (1.29) for four days. Of course the wiki is locked and nobody gives a sh*t about updating it. http://www.thesims3.com/game/patches
Now the page looks stupid because SOMEONE wanted the patches on there and it takes too much space. SMDH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.109.34 ( talk) 18:15, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
This article reads like an advertisement and it's full of needless trivia. Not good. 75.42.84.189 ( talk) 06:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
please add it to the article. i know about it because i always use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 ( talk) 13:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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For example, instead of walking your sim and her date inside a restaurant and watching the waiter serve them dinner as they nuzzle each other at the table, as you could in The Sims 2, you now wait outside while getting little text alerts about your sim's activities. This lack of interaction with the city has led many critics to wonder why such emphasis was put on walking around town when there's hardly anything for your sim to really do.
This just seems like a personal opinion. "nuzzle each other"? This should probably be removed. There's no references at all and it seems pointless to have. 92.19.37.144 ( talk) 20:39, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
I just wanted to make a note here saying I completely agree with the removal of all the extraneous lists. I had been considering doing it myself for a while, as it clearly violates WP:GAMEGUIDE. — Torchiest talk edits 00:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
A Katy Perry expansion pack has been announced as well as a promo video, can we please add it?-- Jakeriederer ( talk) 20:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Can you supply proof, like an official blog? Otherwise it isn't enough to be on the article. -- I'm a Writer and you know it! :) ( talk) 02:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
CreatorWiki and his/her clone, SimEditorWiki have been making contributions that violate Wiki policy. Rarely are they constructive and they are frequently removed. In general he/she seems to have a poor understanding regarding what can be put in an article. I do not want to violate Wiki policy by edit warring myself. Especially if you're an administrator who has the power to block, please back me on this. I have left a message on their talk page trying to get them to understand WP policy. Those lists they added are inappropriate based on WP:GAMEGUIDE and WP:VGSCOPE. Even after having already explained to them in the past, they never seem to get the message, so I question their motives. - Cadiomals ( talk) 19:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
the article say multi-player only while the game only have single-player. 84.208.59.120 ( talk) 17:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
In the Create A Sim section:
I have just the base game, and these sliders are present. 78.129.220.46 ( talk) 16:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Semi-protection: High level of IP vandalism. Sundogs Wikia UserPage 04:29, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I suggest to archive, or at least to clean up, the talk page of this articles talk page leaving the unanswered or newer comment(s) on the talk page. The older text prior to, assuming, 30 days is sufficient enough to archive for the first The Sims 3 talk page archive. This is also a request of The Sims Project members to vote to clean up or archive. Thanks. Sundogs Wikia UserPage 00:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)