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I changed some references to Doris Kenner Jackson to "Doris Coley"; I think the best idea is to include "now Doris Kenner" where it would fit chronologically, but I wasn't sure when her marriages took place. If anyone knows, please add it. 130.101.20.153 19:47, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I think this is on her bio page. Speaking of bio pages, these pages should be merged as one page; the bio pages are way too short. The bio pages can be deleted then. What do you all think? -BlueAmethyst .:*:. 00:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
If someone has the time to go through this and remove everything copied and pasted from allmusic [1], that would be very helpful. -- 99.253.224.234 ( talk) 21:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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Comments by Sarastro1 This is a pretty good piece of work. As it stands, it would be a fairly clear GA if I were reviewing and I think it is nicely on its way to FA. I've reviewed with FAC in mind, but I would suggest taking it to GAN before you do this. I've done some light copy-editing, but feel free to revert anything you are not happy with. NB: I have not looked at sourcing at all. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 15:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
As an outsider with no particular experience of WP:GA criteria, my main comment is that I don't like the style of the opening paragraph. It's too long, and goes into too much obscure detail. It doesn't present a very clear overview of the group's career and influence - it picks out certain points and, in my view, gives them undue prominence. If I were writing it, I'd have a short introductory paragraph something along the lines of:
The Shirelles were an African-American girl group that achieved popularity in the early 1960s. They were the first such group to top the Billboard Hot 100, with the song [not "their" song, in the sense that they didn't write it] " Will You Love Me Tomorrow." The original group [not "band" - they didn't play any instruments] consisted of schoolmates Shirley Owens, Doris Coley, Addie "Micki" Harris, and Beverly Lee.
The second paragraph would then summarise the key points of their career, but not go into unnecessary detail. The sentence, "The Shirelles were unable to maintain their previous popularity due to the numerous successful girl bands following their lead and ongoing British Invasion" seems to me particularly redundant - words like "due to" are often a sign of WP:OR and the wording in the Allmusic bio doesn't use that terminology. For example:
"Formed in 1957 for a high school talent show, they were signed by Florence Greenberg of Tiara Records and their first single was released the following year. After a brief and unsuccessful period with Decca, they went with Greenberg to her newly-formed company Scepter Records where, working with Luther Dixon, the group had their first hit with " Tonight's the Night". In all, the group had seven top twenty hits in the US between 1960 and 1963. Their popularity diminished after the British Invasion, although The Beatles were among those to cover their songs.
This shouldn't be taken in any way as criticism of all the excellent work done on this article - just a commentary on the style of the opening section which, in my opinion, doesn't really succeed in meeting WP:LEAD. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I feel that the recent copy edits have improved the article to the point where it is now worth nominating for Good article status. Any remaining 'issues' that exercise unearths, can then be addressed. I think this is a logical step forward, and then any further 'tweaks' would leave the path clear towards potential FA. At present, the article does not seem to have any quality rating. This appears to be an easy omission to rectify, whichever way the nomination process deliberates.
Derek R Bullamore ( talk) 10:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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Looks good at first glance, a bit shorter than I expected but that could be a good thing (and certainly makes reviewing a lot easier). I view this as a collaborative process, so if you disagree with a comment feel free to tell me why. I know virtually nothing about The Shirelles, which I believe is an advantage as a good article should be accessible to everyone. While I will review this against the criteria some of my comments will most likely go beyond into areas I think could improve the article, while others will most likely be questions to satisfy my curiosity. Being unable to clarify or fix these particular concerns will not result in a failed article, but a response here explaining your reasoning would be appreciated. AIRcorn (talk) 05:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I am more than happy that this now passes the GA criteria. If the images survive deletion then feel free to put them back in. As far as any further improvements go I think it would be nice to sought out the the song went on to become either the first Billboard Number One Hit by an African-American girl group or the first Number One Hit by any girl group sentence. I couldn't access the references so can't help interpret them. This says they had the first number by any girl group, plus has mentions us. Not sure how reliable it is but there must be something out there you can use. PersonallyI think you will get away with saying that just the the first Number One Hit by any girl group as that covers the other claim in any case. AIRcorn (talk) 11:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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I have deleted the reference in the first sentence of the lede to "African American"--specifically, in the phrase "The Shirelles were an African American girl group." Their race is extraneous in this context, for the same reason that race would be extraneous if someone described the Chordettes as a "white girl group" or a "European American girl group." Their race is described later in the paragraph in the discussion of "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" being potentially the first chart-topping song by an African American girl group. I left in this reference because there is at least arguably a point to mentioning their race in that context (as it adds some information to the discussion and is not gratuitous). ChicagoDilettante ( talk) 19:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
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Why do sources state her real name as "Michelle Harris", and "Addie Harris McFadden"? TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk) 04:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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I changed some references to Doris Kenner Jackson to "Doris Coley"; I think the best idea is to include "now Doris Kenner" where it would fit chronologically, but I wasn't sure when her marriages took place. If anyone knows, please add it. 130.101.20.153 19:47, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I think this is on her bio page. Speaking of bio pages, these pages should be merged as one page; the bio pages are way too short. The bio pages can be deleted then. What do you all think? -BlueAmethyst .:*:. 00:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
If someone has the time to go through this and remove everything copied and pasted from allmusic [1], that would be very helpful. -- 99.253.224.234 ( talk) 21:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I was notified on my talk page that this article needs to be cleaned of copyright problems. It contains content duplicated and closely paraphrasing the AllMusic biography. This content was entered into the article here on 24 August 2006. Interested contributors are more than welcome to please help salvage the article by rewriting it in the temporary space linked to from the article's face (there are more instructions in the template). This version seems to be untainted, if it is necessary to restore to it as a base for building. My sympathy to those who work on this subject. :( -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
This peer review discussion has been closed.
I've listed this article for peer review because I hope to bring it to GA status and would like feedback as to what needs to be improved.
Thanks, Crisco 1492 ( talk) 23:33, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Comments by Sarastro1 This is a pretty good piece of work. As it stands, it would be a fairly clear GA if I were reviewing and I think it is nicely on its way to FA. I've reviewed with FAC in mind, but I would suggest taking it to GAN before you do this. I've done some light copy-editing, but feel free to revert anything you are not happy with. NB: I have not looked at sourcing at all. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 15:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
As an outsider with no particular experience of WP:GA criteria, my main comment is that I don't like the style of the opening paragraph. It's too long, and goes into too much obscure detail. It doesn't present a very clear overview of the group's career and influence - it picks out certain points and, in my view, gives them undue prominence. If I were writing it, I'd have a short introductory paragraph something along the lines of:
The Shirelles were an African-American girl group that achieved popularity in the early 1960s. They were the first such group to top the Billboard Hot 100, with the song [not "their" song, in the sense that they didn't write it] " Will You Love Me Tomorrow." The original group [not "band" - they didn't play any instruments] consisted of schoolmates Shirley Owens, Doris Coley, Addie "Micki" Harris, and Beverly Lee.
The second paragraph would then summarise the key points of their career, but not go into unnecessary detail. The sentence, "The Shirelles were unable to maintain their previous popularity due to the numerous successful girl bands following their lead and ongoing British Invasion" seems to me particularly redundant - words like "due to" are often a sign of WP:OR and the wording in the Allmusic bio doesn't use that terminology. For example:
"Formed in 1957 for a high school talent show, they were signed by Florence Greenberg of Tiara Records and their first single was released the following year. After a brief and unsuccessful period with Decca, they went with Greenberg to her newly-formed company Scepter Records where, working with Luther Dixon, the group had their first hit with " Tonight's the Night". In all, the group had seven top twenty hits in the US between 1960 and 1963. Their popularity diminished after the British Invasion, although The Beatles were among those to cover their songs.
This shouldn't be taken in any way as criticism of all the excellent work done on this article - just a commentary on the style of the opening section which, in my opinion, doesn't really succeed in meeting WP:LEAD. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I feel that the recent copy edits have improved the article to the point where it is now worth nominating for Good article status. Any remaining 'issues' that exercise unearths, can then be addressed. I think this is a logical step forward, and then any further 'tweaks' would leave the path clear towards potential FA. At present, the article does not seem to have any quality rating. This appears to be an easy omission to rectify, whichever way the nomination process deliberates.
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Looks good at first glance, a bit shorter than I expected but that could be a good thing (and certainly makes reviewing a lot easier). I view this as a collaborative process, so if you disagree with a comment feel free to tell me why. I know virtually nothing about The Shirelles, which I believe is an advantage as a good article should be accessible to everyone. While I will review this against the criteria some of my comments will most likely go beyond into areas I think could improve the article, while others will most likely be questions to satisfy my curiosity. Being unable to clarify or fix these particular concerns will not result in a failed article, but a response here explaining your reasoning would be appreciated. AIRcorn (talk) 05:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I am more than happy that this now passes the GA criteria. If the images survive deletion then feel free to put them back in. As far as any further improvements go I think it would be nice to sought out the the song went on to become either the first Billboard Number One Hit by an African-American girl group or the first Number One Hit by any girl group sentence. I couldn't access the references so can't help interpret them. This says they had the first number by any girl group, plus has mentions us. Not sure how reliable it is but there must be something out there you can use. PersonallyI think you will get away with saying that just the the first Number One Hit by any girl group as that covers the other claim in any case. AIRcorn (talk) 11:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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I have deleted the reference in the first sentence of the lede to "African American"--specifically, in the phrase "The Shirelles were an African American girl group." Their race is extraneous in this context, for the same reason that race would be extraneous if someone described the Chordettes as a "white girl group" or a "European American girl group." Their race is described later in the paragraph in the discussion of "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" being potentially the first chart-topping song by an African American girl group. I left in this reference because there is at least arguably a point to mentioning their race in that context (as it adds some information to the discussion and is not gratuitous). ChicagoDilettante ( talk) 19:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
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Why do sources state her real name as "Michelle Harris", and "Addie Harris McFadden"? TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk) 04:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC)