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Although the programme for computing skills in scouts was reviewed with the 2003 changes, I definitely got IT badges before this period so I think it's wrong to say this is when they were introduced. Madeinsane ( talk) 23:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
This move makes no sense— there is only one organization named The Scout Association. Branches of TSA operating in other countries are clearly titled as such. If this was such a problem, it should have been discussed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I have no strong views, but if it is going to me moved it should be to The Scout Association (United Kingdom). There will be a lotof redirects and other stuff to fix. I would help with this normally but I am on vacation the other side of the world to my home base. I will be back in October. -- Bduke (Discussion) 10:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Egel has added the statement that the membership badge was changed to the purple WOSM badge under APR. I'm pretty certain that this is wrong as the APR-era membership badge that I have on my camp blanket is a diamond-shaped one. APR also stated that the background colour would be different for each section (APR, Recommendation 259). I have therefore reverted his edit until this can be clarified. DiverScout ( talk) 17:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Does Scoutlink (The Scout Association) still exist? I have been all over http://www.scoutbase.org.uk and can't find anything. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
In this article and many other UK Scouting articles, we have names of various commissioners without any source. This is unacceptable under our "living person" guidelines. I have flagged that list as "citation needed". If I or anyone else can not find a citation, I am going to delete the list. -- Bduke (Discussion) 21:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
There has been a long discussion at Talk:Progressive Award Scheme#Rename regrading renaming this article as the title was not clear about its association with the Scout Association. It became clear that this article is not sourced to justify notability. Most of the material is already in the section articles of the Scout Association. The best solution is to merge part of this article to be a section in the Scout Association that covers some general history and points to the relevant sections in the Cub, Scout, Explorer, etc articles. Please discuss below:
Proposed in Deember 2010, and now September 2011. Any decisions? DiverScout ( talk) 15:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
http://scouts.org.uk/news/378/scouts-join-in-royal-wedding-celebrations
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I have been bold and merged the content from the progressive award scheme article into this article, as a section under the 'Sections' heading. I had to cut back on images though - no room otherwise. Rafmarham ( talk) 22:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I've been reading a memoir, We Were Pioneers (Friends University, 1971) by Alta Hoyt, an American Quaker missionary who lived in Kenya Colony for 34 years. In this memoir, she cites a letter from Baden-Powell "in which he states that they got many of the ideas of the Boy Scouts from the Bantu people in South Africa." (73) I didn't want to just go and add a reference to this in the article, because this is the first I've heard of it, but I've not studied the history of the Scouts at all. I wonder if anyone here knows more about this? I might do a quick journal search to see if anything comes up as well... Luna ( talk) 16:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi all. I think it would be worth mentioning somewhere in this article that all group scout leaders are volunteers. It might be obvious to those of us that are connected with the Scouts, but it isn't always obvious to others, such as parents or casual readers. I think one of the greatest triumphs of Scouting is that there are so many adults out there willing to give up their free time to make young people's lives better. This article should recognise that fact. Regards -- ThunderingTyphoons! ( talk) 17:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that is very accurate. The Association employs some Regional Development Officers who sometimes work with volunteers to establish new sections. These are employed at a Regional or County level. Some Districts or more likely Counties employ an admin assistant (not a leader). Some activity centres employ a warden and seasonal activity staff. 2.100.14.73 ( talk) 10:51, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Erm, since when is that a third-party source? DiverScout ( talk) 20:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
There is no doubt that some people holding leadership warrants are paid to do so. I am thinking of the trainers at Gilwell, for example. Also there are, or perhaps used to be, Field Commissioners, who are paid. Some Scout Camps have paid Wardens. All of these people wear the Scout uniform and are in leadership positions. Nevertheless, we need a source to say that any leaders at Group level are paid. Otherwise we state that Group Scouters are not paid. -- Bduke (Discussion) 23:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Continuing in the vein of my last post (just above), it might be nice to have a brief sentence of the Duchess of Cambridge's intention to become a volunteer scout leader. Although it's hardly news anymore (I didn't hear about it at the time, though!), I think today of all days would be a good time to introduce the subject, only brought to my attention by the other discussion up there ^. I'll be bold and add it to the end of the history section. Hope everyone's enjoying the Jubileekend and the BBC's rather comical coverage of the flotilla pagenant.
Sovykruji ( talk) 19:44, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The Public School boys do not seem to have come entirely from Eton and Harrow. According to Colin Walker in his book "Brownsea: B-P's Acorn", 2 came from Eton, 2 from Harrow, 2 from Cheltenham and 1 from Wellington. Two others had not yet moved to a Public School and were presumably in Prep Schools. B-P's nephew also went to Eton later. The local boys appear to be all from Bournemouth and Poole. I do not know where Parkstone and Hamworthy come from. Where the boys come from is not referenced. Colin Walker is well researched but it is self-published. The article on the camp itself gives a better account of the background of the boys, but is still incomplete. - Bduke (Discussion) 21:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I recent IP edit changes "Duty to God" to "Duty to my God". I have reverted it as this link - [5], does not support it. It is the promise in Australia, but if it has been changed in the UK, it needs a source. -- Bduke (Discussion) 00:08, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if the lead section of this article is overlong and too detailed? Would it be possible to have a single sentence about the Association's diversity and move the details in the last two paragraphs of the lead into the main body of the article, perhaps in a new "Diversity" section? Alansplodge ( talk) 17:39, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh dear, I think someone has got very confused about the nature of an association. Membership of the governing body and membership of an association are two different things. In this case the Executive and Council are the governing bodies, membership of these are defined in the governing document (the Royal Charter). Membership of the Association is defined by the rules of the Association which are published by the governing body (in this case the Policy, Organisation and Rules document [7]).
You do not necessarily have to be a member of the association to be a member of the governing body (and also the opposite case).
All youth members and leaders are members of the Scout Association, and are also members of the appropriate County, District and Group (which are distinct organisations and charities with their own governing bodies, etc), they all agree to abide by the rules laid out in POR (see above). I am sure many other organisations are similar.
I think I had better undo the mess.... Sovykruji ( talk) 13:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that adding Scout associations of Commonwealth nations (that were previously under the purview of the UK Scout Assn) to the "Relations with other organisations" section is a good idea. At present we have Canada and Hong Kong added by User:Fatpig73; if we were to take this to its logical conclusion, we would have entries for 53 separate associations without any real benefit. I suggest a "History" subsection added to the "The Scout Association overseas" section. Alansplodge ( talk) 15:25, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The Royal Charter says "That the Boy Scouts are an unincorporated organization founded in the year 1908 by Lieutenant-General Sir Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell K.C.B., K.C.V.O.". This source is an impeccable contemporary legal document. The organization became an association in 1910, and incorporated in 1912. This should be reflected in the article and title box.
Sovykruji ( talk) 21:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Nobody had any alternative views, so I changed it. Sovykruji ( talk) 10:54, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Can you provide a published document to support your assertions? Scouting (usually) recognises 1907 as the founding of the Scouting movement, but the Royal Charter states that 1908 was the founding of the unincorporated organization (which was being incorporated at that point), an unincorporated organization does not need a written constitution or officers or commissioners, you are confusing an organization with an association. I think you will find that Baden Powell himself was still very much involved from 1907 onwards. In any case, as you say, the Royal Charter was written by the Privy council. Are you saying they were all liars, or were more confused than you are about what an organization is, and more to the point, can you prove it? Which other researched sources are you referring to, please supply references? Sovykruji ( talk) 12:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Please supply sources to show that the Royal Charter contains errors. If no such reliable sources exist, then it's reliability stands. So until then, the founding date stands as 1908. Sovykruji ( talk) 16:53, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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I'm not sure if the cartoon man in the infobox adds much to the article - scarves are never worn under the collar in the UK and he has his trousers tucked into his boots in a rather paramilitary style. If we ARE going to keep him, can somebody arrange for him to have navy blue trousers instead of white ones please? Alansplodge ( talk) 17:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
In January 2017, User:Slmills0 added a sentence to The Scout Association#1920 to 1967 as follows:
This is referenced to an article called Be Prepared: Communism and the Politics of Scouting in 1950s Britain which asserts in the viewable abstract that "An analysis of the politics of scouting in relation to Red Scouts questions not only the assertion that British McCarthyism was ‘silent’, but also brings young people firmly into focus as part of a more everyday politics of communism in British society". I can't read the whole article because it is behind a paywall, but it seems to me to fall foul of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
Reading the Hansard transcript of the House of Lords debate ( here, Lord Rowallan, the Chief Scout at that time, stated that Paul Garland, a Queen's Scout, was taken by the Young Communists to the World Federation of Democratic Youth Peace Rally in Berlin in 1952. On his return from the Peace Rally, having been taken on visits to a number of other Iron Curtain countries, this boy was appointed a member of the National Committee of the Young Communist League, and was appointed Secretary of the South-West of England Branch of the Young Communist League. "He had absented himself for over a year from all scout activities. Suddenly he appears again in uniform — for which he was no longer eligible, being over age for that particular branch of the movement — at a Group pantomime which, by a curious coincidence, was Little Red Riding Hood. He was followed, after a decent interval, by a number of journalists and a Press photographer" who recorded him being asked to leave. Unless Rowallan was perjuring himself before the House, this suggests to me that rather than "McCarthyism", this was just a publicity stunt.
I have added some balancing comments, but whether or not this minor incident is worthy of inclusion in such a brief overview of the Association's history, I don't know. Your comments are most welcome. Alansplodge ( talk) 18:58, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
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"From 1912 to 1967 the association's name was The Boy Scouts Association and until 1976 only boys were admitted to its programmes. In 1976, girls were allowed to join the Venture Scouts section for 16- to 20-year-olds.[12] This expanded to all the association's programme sections in 1991"
This is a tricky one. I know, because I was there, that this wasn't a 100% rule and girls were allowed to join before 1991. What I don't know is how widespread the practice was, and would like some references before updating the main article.
I believe the greatest number of girls in the Scout section came from having a male Scout Leader with daughters. When they were old enough, it would be very difficult to say no to them (or their friends), so this went on unofficially. I know of one situation where the CC was asked permission, and he said it was okay if the DC agreed. The DC said he'd be okay but you'd have to convince the CC. Done!
At the time the rules were scoured to see if girls were actually forbidden, and no such rule was found. The only reference was the Royal Charter, which said it was a youth organisation for boys. No one had made this an actual rule (deliberately or otherwise).
The rule changes in 1991 were simply an acceptance of reality, and adding provisions for safeguarding such as specifying that a section needed a female leader if was to admit girls. This safeguarding has been relaxed to an extent - the female support can be an adult helper.
Politically this whole business was difficult at the time, as the Girl Guides were not happy with their members defecting to the Scouts. This may be one reason why statistics to reference are hard to find, as it was kept unofficial for a long time. For all I know, this has been the case from the start although I've not found girls appearing in many old photographs. Where I have, they've been caption as the "Scoutmaster's Daughter". F J Leonhardt 13:35, 1 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjleonhardt ( talk • contribs)
The article on Squirrel Scouts should be merged into the Scout Association. The content repeats parts of the article on the Scout Association and is entirely related to the Scout Association. The subject is a part of the Scout Association and not a separate organization. 115.42.13.142 ( talk) 23:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
This articles is about a program of The Scout Association with little content that is not repeated either in the article on The Scout Association or the article on Sea Scouts and no reason to justify a separate article. Merging the content would make the other articles more interesting, especially that on The Scout Association which is almost devoid of anything interesting about actual programs for young people.
This articles is about a program of The Scout Association with little content that is not repeated either in the article on The Scout Association or the article on Air Scouts and no reason to justify a separate article. Merging the content would make the other articles more interesting, especially that on The Scout Association which is almost devoid of anything interesting about actual programs for young people.
esyls are an important part of scouting may be good to mention them 92.232.195.61 ( talk) 23:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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Although the programme for computing skills in scouts was reviewed with the 2003 changes, I definitely got IT badges before this period so I think it's wrong to say this is when they were introduced. Madeinsane ( talk) 23:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
This move makes no sense— there is only one organization named The Scout Association. Branches of TSA operating in other countries are clearly titled as such. If this was such a problem, it should have been discussed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I have no strong views, but if it is going to me moved it should be to The Scout Association (United Kingdom). There will be a lotof redirects and other stuff to fix. I would help with this normally but I am on vacation the other side of the world to my home base. I will be back in October. -- Bduke (Discussion) 10:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Egel has added the statement that the membership badge was changed to the purple WOSM badge under APR. I'm pretty certain that this is wrong as the APR-era membership badge that I have on my camp blanket is a diamond-shaped one. APR also stated that the background colour would be different for each section (APR, Recommendation 259). I have therefore reverted his edit until this can be clarified. DiverScout ( talk) 17:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Does Scoutlink (The Scout Association) still exist? I have been all over http://www.scoutbase.org.uk and can't find anything. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
In this article and many other UK Scouting articles, we have names of various commissioners without any source. This is unacceptable under our "living person" guidelines. I have flagged that list as "citation needed". If I or anyone else can not find a citation, I am going to delete the list. -- Bduke (Discussion) 21:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
There has been a long discussion at Talk:Progressive Award Scheme#Rename regrading renaming this article as the title was not clear about its association with the Scout Association. It became clear that this article is not sourced to justify notability. Most of the material is already in the section articles of the Scout Association. The best solution is to merge part of this article to be a section in the Scout Association that covers some general history and points to the relevant sections in the Cub, Scout, Explorer, etc articles. Please discuss below:
Proposed in Deember 2010, and now September 2011. Any decisions? DiverScout ( talk) 15:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
http://scouts.org.uk/news/378/scouts-join-in-royal-wedding-celebrations
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I have been bold and merged the content from the progressive award scheme article into this article, as a section under the 'Sections' heading. I had to cut back on images though - no room otherwise. Rafmarham ( talk) 22:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I've been reading a memoir, We Were Pioneers (Friends University, 1971) by Alta Hoyt, an American Quaker missionary who lived in Kenya Colony for 34 years. In this memoir, she cites a letter from Baden-Powell "in which he states that they got many of the ideas of the Boy Scouts from the Bantu people in South Africa." (73) I didn't want to just go and add a reference to this in the article, because this is the first I've heard of it, but I've not studied the history of the Scouts at all. I wonder if anyone here knows more about this? I might do a quick journal search to see if anything comes up as well... Luna ( talk) 16:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi all. I think it would be worth mentioning somewhere in this article that all group scout leaders are volunteers. It might be obvious to those of us that are connected with the Scouts, but it isn't always obvious to others, such as parents or casual readers. I think one of the greatest triumphs of Scouting is that there are so many adults out there willing to give up their free time to make young people's lives better. This article should recognise that fact. Regards -- ThunderingTyphoons! ( talk) 17:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that is very accurate. The Association employs some Regional Development Officers who sometimes work with volunteers to establish new sections. These are employed at a Regional or County level. Some Districts or more likely Counties employ an admin assistant (not a leader). Some activity centres employ a warden and seasonal activity staff. 2.100.14.73 ( talk) 10:51, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Erm, since when is that a third-party source? DiverScout ( talk) 20:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
There is no doubt that some people holding leadership warrants are paid to do so. I am thinking of the trainers at Gilwell, for example. Also there are, or perhaps used to be, Field Commissioners, who are paid. Some Scout Camps have paid Wardens. All of these people wear the Scout uniform and are in leadership positions. Nevertheless, we need a source to say that any leaders at Group level are paid. Otherwise we state that Group Scouters are not paid. -- Bduke (Discussion) 23:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Continuing in the vein of my last post (just above), it might be nice to have a brief sentence of the Duchess of Cambridge's intention to become a volunteer scout leader. Although it's hardly news anymore (I didn't hear about it at the time, though!), I think today of all days would be a good time to introduce the subject, only brought to my attention by the other discussion up there ^. I'll be bold and add it to the end of the history section. Hope everyone's enjoying the Jubileekend and the BBC's rather comical coverage of the flotilla pagenant.
Sovykruji ( talk) 19:44, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The Public School boys do not seem to have come entirely from Eton and Harrow. According to Colin Walker in his book "Brownsea: B-P's Acorn", 2 came from Eton, 2 from Harrow, 2 from Cheltenham and 1 from Wellington. Two others had not yet moved to a Public School and were presumably in Prep Schools. B-P's nephew also went to Eton later. The local boys appear to be all from Bournemouth and Poole. I do not know where Parkstone and Hamworthy come from. Where the boys come from is not referenced. Colin Walker is well researched but it is self-published. The article on the camp itself gives a better account of the background of the boys, but is still incomplete. - Bduke (Discussion) 21:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I recent IP edit changes "Duty to God" to "Duty to my God". I have reverted it as this link - [5], does not support it. It is the promise in Australia, but if it has been changed in the UK, it needs a source. -- Bduke (Discussion) 00:08, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if the lead section of this article is overlong and too detailed? Would it be possible to have a single sentence about the Association's diversity and move the details in the last two paragraphs of the lead into the main body of the article, perhaps in a new "Diversity" section? Alansplodge ( talk) 17:39, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh dear, I think someone has got very confused about the nature of an association. Membership of the governing body and membership of an association are two different things. In this case the Executive and Council are the governing bodies, membership of these are defined in the governing document (the Royal Charter). Membership of the Association is defined by the rules of the Association which are published by the governing body (in this case the Policy, Organisation and Rules document [7]).
You do not necessarily have to be a member of the association to be a member of the governing body (and also the opposite case).
All youth members and leaders are members of the Scout Association, and are also members of the appropriate County, District and Group (which are distinct organisations and charities with their own governing bodies, etc), they all agree to abide by the rules laid out in POR (see above). I am sure many other organisations are similar.
I think I had better undo the mess.... Sovykruji ( talk) 13:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that adding Scout associations of Commonwealth nations (that were previously under the purview of the UK Scout Assn) to the "Relations with other organisations" section is a good idea. At present we have Canada and Hong Kong added by User:Fatpig73; if we were to take this to its logical conclusion, we would have entries for 53 separate associations without any real benefit. I suggest a "History" subsection added to the "The Scout Association overseas" section. Alansplodge ( talk) 15:25, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The Royal Charter says "That the Boy Scouts are an unincorporated organization founded in the year 1908 by Lieutenant-General Sir Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell K.C.B., K.C.V.O.". This source is an impeccable contemporary legal document. The organization became an association in 1910, and incorporated in 1912. This should be reflected in the article and title box.
Sovykruji ( talk) 21:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Nobody had any alternative views, so I changed it. Sovykruji ( talk) 10:54, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Can you provide a published document to support your assertions? Scouting (usually) recognises 1907 as the founding of the Scouting movement, but the Royal Charter states that 1908 was the founding of the unincorporated organization (which was being incorporated at that point), an unincorporated organization does not need a written constitution or officers or commissioners, you are confusing an organization with an association. I think you will find that Baden Powell himself was still very much involved from 1907 onwards. In any case, as you say, the Royal Charter was written by the Privy council. Are you saying they were all liars, or were more confused than you are about what an organization is, and more to the point, can you prove it? Which other researched sources are you referring to, please supply references? Sovykruji ( talk) 12:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Please supply sources to show that the Royal Charter contains errors. If no such reliable sources exist, then it's reliability stands. So until then, the founding date stands as 1908. Sovykruji ( talk) 16:53, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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I'm not sure if the cartoon man in the infobox adds much to the article - scarves are never worn under the collar in the UK and he has his trousers tucked into his boots in a rather paramilitary style. If we ARE going to keep him, can somebody arrange for him to have navy blue trousers instead of white ones please? Alansplodge ( talk) 17:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
In January 2017, User:Slmills0 added a sentence to The Scout Association#1920 to 1967 as follows:
This is referenced to an article called Be Prepared: Communism and the Politics of Scouting in 1950s Britain which asserts in the viewable abstract that "An analysis of the politics of scouting in relation to Red Scouts questions not only the assertion that British McCarthyism was ‘silent’, but also brings young people firmly into focus as part of a more everyday politics of communism in British society". I can't read the whole article because it is behind a paywall, but it seems to me to fall foul of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
Reading the Hansard transcript of the House of Lords debate ( here, Lord Rowallan, the Chief Scout at that time, stated that Paul Garland, a Queen's Scout, was taken by the Young Communists to the World Federation of Democratic Youth Peace Rally in Berlin in 1952. On his return from the Peace Rally, having been taken on visits to a number of other Iron Curtain countries, this boy was appointed a member of the National Committee of the Young Communist League, and was appointed Secretary of the South-West of England Branch of the Young Communist League. "He had absented himself for over a year from all scout activities. Suddenly he appears again in uniform — for which he was no longer eligible, being over age for that particular branch of the movement — at a Group pantomime which, by a curious coincidence, was Little Red Riding Hood. He was followed, after a decent interval, by a number of journalists and a Press photographer" who recorded him being asked to leave. Unless Rowallan was perjuring himself before the House, this suggests to me that rather than "McCarthyism", this was just a publicity stunt.
I have added some balancing comments, but whether or not this minor incident is worthy of inclusion in such a brief overview of the Association's history, I don't know. Your comments are most welcome. Alansplodge ( talk) 18:58, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
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"From 1912 to 1967 the association's name was The Boy Scouts Association and until 1976 only boys were admitted to its programmes. In 1976, girls were allowed to join the Venture Scouts section for 16- to 20-year-olds.[12] This expanded to all the association's programme sections in 1991"
This is a tricky one. I know, because I was there, that this wasn't a 100% rule and girls were allowed to join before 1991. What I don't know is how widespread the practice was, and would like some references before updating the main article.
I believe the greatest number of girls in the Scout section came from having a male Scout Leader with daughters. When they were old enough, it would be very difficult to say no to them (or their friends), so this went on unofficially. I know of one situation where the CC was asked permission, and he said it was okay if the DC agreed. The DC said he'd be okay but you'd have to convince the CC. Done!
At the time the rules were scoured to see if girls were actually forbidden, and no such rule was found. The only reference was the Royal Charter, which said it was a youth organisation for boys. No one had made this an actual rule (deliberately or otherwise).
The rule changes in 1991 were simply an acceptance of reality, and adding provisions for safeguarding such as specifying that a section needed a female leader if was to admit girls. This safeguarding has been relaxed to an extent - the female support can be an adult helper.
Politically this whole business was difficult at the time, as the Girl Guides were not happy with their members defecting to the Scouts. This may be one reason why statistics to reference are hard to find, as it was kept unofficial for a long time. For all I know, this has been the case from the start although I've not found girls appearing in many old photographs. Where I have, they've been caption as the "Scoutmaster's Daughter". F J Leonhardt 13:35, 1 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjleonhardt ( talk • contribs)
The article on Squirrel Scouts should be merged into the Scout Association. The content repeats parts of the article on the Scout Association and is entirely related to the Scout Association. The subject is a part of the Scout Association and not a separate organization. 115.42.13.142 ( talk) 23:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
This articles is about a program of The Scout Association with little content that is not repeated either in the article on The Scout Association or the article on Sea Scouts and no reason to justify a separate article. Merging the content would make the other articles more interesting, especially that on The Scout Association which is almost devoid of anything interesting about actual programs for young people.
This articles is about a program of The Scout Association with little content that is not repeated either in the article on The Scout Association or the article on Air Scouts and no reason to justify a separate article. Merging the content would make the other articles more interesting, especially that on The Scout Association which is almost devoid of anything interesting about actual programs for young people.
esyls are an important part of scouting may be good to mention them 92.232.195.61 ( talk) 23:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)