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The Science of Getting Rich Seminar may not actually be based on this book. I don't know since it costs $2000 to find out. In any case, a citation is needed to support this claim since, otherwise, any mention of the SGR Program would be nothing other than SPAM. And yes, SPAM is not allowed in Wikipedia. See, Wikipedia:Spam — WikiLen 03:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The SGR Program was initially endorsed by Rhonda Byrne and the Creators of The Secret is based on Wattles book, The Science of Getting Rich. Here is the citation from the official secret blog: http://what-is-the-secret.blogspot.com/2006/12/secret-diary-second-edition.html#the_secret_seminar
The SGR Program is DEFINITELY based on the book "The Science of Getting Rich". It is included with the seminar AND the workbook. In addition, there are questions to ponder/answer regarding each individual chapter. Pictures of the "little green book" can be seen in the promotional material for the SGR Program Aujy 13:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
These links are to be avoided (see Wikipedia policy on Links normally to be avoided):
— WikiLen 04:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
This page has been wiped out of existence by redirection to the author's bio, thus losing valuable information about it. I have restored it, with citations and references, which it originally lacked. I trust it will no longer be removed from Wikipedia. cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 ( talk) 23:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Please note that some assessment team has rated this page as a stub of "Top Importance" in the Business area of Wikipedia. I did not do that, and have no connection to or knowledge of that team. I suggest that rather than redirect or merge this page, hrafn should contact the assessment team that made that ranking and see if they can spare an editor to come here and help upgrade this TOP IMPORTANCE page. cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 ( talk) 05:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Maunus, when somebody adds un/mis-sourced material to an article there are generally three practical things another editor can do about it. They can either:
Looking for sources for material that other people have written is generally a little-results-for-much-work needle-in-the-haystack task, even in subjects one is widely read in.
As for Catherine's mythical "assessment team" -- it was a lone editor who hasn't been active for some time. Most projects tend to accumulate tags from large numbers of articles, most of which never receive either interest or attention from the project -- or any attention to how they've been rated. If Catherine wishes to see if they're interested, she's welcome to, but I don't see it as having sufficient probability of being productive to bother. I am further amused that, having done her level best to engender a 'wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire' attitude from myself towards her, she now expects me to run her errands. Hrafn Talk Stalk 12:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I think you will find that most of your fellow editors have different ideas about how the principle of assuming good faith relates to how editors should interact and colaborate than the ones your actions manifest. Coming as an outside editor with no personal interest in this article whatsoever I must say that your actions do have more of a feeling of vendetta and tenacious spite to them than a feeling of working together for a common goal. And I can tell you that looking from the outside in on the interactions between you and Catherine none of you are blamefree in the creation of an extremely hostile editing environment and the escalation of any possible conflict into its full potential. In other words you may both be sticking to the letter of the law about WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL but none of you follows its spirit. Also as an editor with no previous experience with "new thought movement" or "wallace wattles" or the science of self-help books, I managed to find several useful third party sources for the article investing less than ten minutes. ·Maunus·ƛ· 15:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Maunus has removed the notability template stating "it is notable according to criteria 3 & 5 and probably 1"
Unless somebody can come up with evidence that this book meets any of the criteria in WP:BK, I'll be restoring this template shortly. Hrafn Talk Stalk 07:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Catherine has sourced the claim that:
which are similar to ideas about will power found in the success writings of early 20th century authors like Charles F. Haanel (The Master key System) and Frank Channing Haddock (Mastery of Self for Wealth Power Success), as well as Elizabeth Towne (How to Grow Success), who published other books and magazine articles by Wattles.
To a source that is quoted as stating:
She [Towne] ran pieces by Wallace Wattles in almost every issue [of The Nautilus] during the early 1900s.
This quote says nothing whatsoever about similarity of Wattles work, or about Haanel or Haddock at all. And people are surprised that I tag this article for faults in sourcing & potential WP:OR. Hrafn Talk Stalk 11:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Please don't tag this book as teaching "The Law of Attraction," ala the writings of William Walker Atkinson or Rhonda Byrne. This book did inspire Byrne, but the teaching in this book is something called "the Certain Way of Thinking," that is, thinking with certainty, purposefulness, and orientation toward achievement.
The "Law of Attraction" is a mystical or spiritual concept. The "Certain Way" is a mental technique.
Within the New Thought Movement, the former derives primarily from the writings of James Allen and William Walker Atkinson, while the latter originated with Wallace Wattles and was carried on by Charles F. Haanel and Napoleon Hill, among others.
Rhonda Byrne casually fused the two concepts in her film and book The Secret, but for about 100 years they were considered separate ideas -- and they are still consided entirely separate by those who study them outside of the fused conceptual framework provided by Byne and her followers.
I have removed two references in which this book was spuriously connected with the Law of Attraction, one in the lead graph and one in the Criticisms section, where a criticism of the Law of Attraction were incorrectly applied to this book merely because some author had criticized the ideas of Rhonda Byrne, without refernce to this book at all.
I realize that spirituality, science, mental self-training, religion, politics, and mysticism are hot button topics for some editors at Wikipedia, as well as for many readers. We must be particularly careful in writing about hot button topics that require familiarity with old books. Since this book is online, however, one need not take my word for the above. Open the Google electronic version of "The Science of Getting Rich" and search on the keyword term "Law of Attraction" in quotes. No results. The reason should be obvious: this book does not mention the Law of Attraction.
Thanks for reading what i write, and best wishes for your own success!
Cordially, cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 ( talk) 03:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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The Science of Getting Rich Seminar may not actually be based on this book. I don't know since it costs $2000 to find out. In any case, a citation is needed to support this claim since, otherwise, any mention of the SGR Program would be nothing other than SPAM. And yes, SPAM is not allowed in Wikipedia. See, Wikipedia:Spam — WikiLen 03:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The SGR Program was initially endorsed by Rhonda Byrne and the Creators of The Secret is based on Wattles book, The Science of Getting Rich. Here is the citation from the official secret blog: http://what-is-the-secret.blogspot.com/2006/12/secret-diary-second-edition.html#the_secret_seminar
The SGR Program is DEFINITELY based on the book "The Science of Getting Rich". It is included with the seminar AND the workbook. In addition, there are questions to ponder/answer regarding each individual chapter. Pictures of the "little green book" can be seen in the promotional material for the SGR Program Aujy 13:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
These links are to be avoided (see Wikipedia policy on Links normally to be avoided):
— WikiLen 04:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
This page has been wiped out of existence by redirection to the author's bio, thus losing valuable information about it. I have restored it, with citations and references, which it originally lacked. I trust it will no longer be removed from Wikipedia. cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 ( talk) 23:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Please note that some assessment team has rated this page as a stub of "Top Importance" in the Business area of Wikipedia. I did not do that, and have no connection to or knowledge of that team. I suggest that rather than redirect or merge this page, hrafn should contact the assessment team that made that ranking and see if they can spare an editor to come here and help upgrade this TOP IMPORTANCE page. cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 ( talk) 05:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Maunus, when somebody adds un/mis-sourced material to an article there are generally three practical things another editor can do about it. They can either:
Looking for sources for material that other people have written is generally a little-results-for-much-work needle-in-the-haystack task, even in subjects one is widely read in.
As for Catherine's mythical "assessment team" -- it was a lone editor who hasn't been active for some time. Most projects tend to accumulate tags from large numbers of articles, most of which never receive either interest or attention from the project -- or any attention to how they've been rated. If Catherine wishes to see if they're interested, she's welcome to, but I don't see it as having sufficient probability of being productive to bother. I am further amused that, having done her level best to engender a 'wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire' attitude from myself towards her, she now expects me to run her errands. Hrafn Talk Stalk 12:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I think you will find that most of your fellow editors have different ideas about how the principle of assuming good faith relates to how editors should interact and colaborate than the ones your actions manifest. Coming as an outside editor with no personal interest in this article whatsoever I must say that your actions do have more of a feeling of vendetta and tenacious spite to them than a feeling of working together for a common goal. And I can tell you that looking from the outside in on the interactions between you and Catherine none of you are blamefree in the creation of an extremely hostile editing environment and the escalation of any possible conflict into its full potential. In other words you may both be sticking to the letter of the law about WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL but none of you follows its spirit. Also as an editor with no previous experience with "new thought movement" or "wallace wattles" or the science of self-help books, I managed to find several useful third party sources for the article investing less than ten minutes. ·Maunus·ƛ· 15:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Maunus has removed the notability template stating "it is notable according to criteria 3 & 5 and probably 1"
Unless somebody can come up with evidence that this book meets any of the criteria in WP:BK, I'll be restoring this template shortly. Hrafn Talk Stalk 07:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Catherine has sourced the claim that:
which are similar to ideas about will power found in the success writings of early 20th century authors like Charles F. Haanel (The Master key System) and Frank Channing Haddock (Mastery of Self for Wealth Power Success), as well as Elizabeth Towne (How to Grow Success), who published other books and magazine articles by Wattles.
To a source that is quoted as stating:
She [Towne] ran pieces by Wallace Wattles in almost every issue [of The Nautilus] during the early 1900s.
This quote says nothing whatsoever about similarity of Wattles work, or about Haanel or Haddock at all. And people are surprised that I tag this article for faults in sourcing & potential WP:OR. Hrafn Talk Stalk 11:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Please don't tag this book as teaching "The Law of Attraction," ala the writings of William Walker Atkinson or Rhonda Byrne. This book did inspire Byrne, but the teaching in this book is something called "the Certain Way of Thinking," that is, thinking with certainty, purposefulness, and orientation toward achievement.
The "Law of Attraction" is a mystical or spiritual concept. The "Certain Way" is a mental technique.
Within the New Thought Movement, the former derives primarily from the writings of James Allen and William Walker Atkinson, while the latter originated with Wallace Wattles and was carried on by Charles F. Haanel and Napoleon Hill, among others.
Rhonda Byrne casually fused the two concepts in her film and book The Secret, but for about 100 years they were considered separate ideas -- and they are still consided entirely separate by those who study them outside of the fused conceptual framework provided by Byne and her followers.
I have removed two references in which this book was spuriously connected with the Law of Attraction, one in the lead graph and one in the Criticisms section, where a criticism of the Law of Attraction were incorrectly applied to this book merely because some author had criticized the ideas of Rhonda Byrne, without refernce to this book at all.
I realize that spirituality, science, mental self-training, religion, politics, and mysticism are hot button topics for some editors at Wikipedia, as well as for many readers. We must be particularly careful in writing about hot button topics that require familiarity with old books. Since this book is online, however, one need not take my word for the above. Open the Google electronic version of "The Science of Getting Rich" and search on the keyword term "Law of Attraction" in quotes. No results. The reason should be obvious: this book does not mention the Law of Attraction.
Thanks for reading what i write, and best wishes for your own success!
Cordially, cat yronwode a.k.a. "64" 64.142.90.33 ( talk) 03:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)