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Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the ending scene of this book and the events of september 11? It seems rather unlikely that an author could both write about a large, occupied building being burned (and destroyed) AND include a quote that specifically mentions skyscrapers falling without having 9/11 in mind. In keeping with the style of the other books in this series, this is a connection that children may not easily notice but an adult does immediately. Any opinions?
The Lousy Lane is a pretty unlikely name for the book, even if it does end up taking place there. Only one book (The Reptile Room) has been named after a place actually mentionned in the book. Most of them have taken place at alliterative locations, but none other has been named after it:
Furthermore, even those that have been named after the location use an adjective to describe it rather than the name itself:
I am aware the "lousy" is an adjective and that it accurately describes the lane, but given the above it seems unlikely that it will be used. Besides, at one end of Lousy Lane is the city, where books I and VI have already taken place, at th'other end is Uncle Monty's, which has been done, and in the middle is horseradishes. Not much room for a book there.
The theory can still be mentionned, but the paragraph about lousy lane should prolly go-- Signor Giuseppe 19:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Unofficialy. Don't look if you don't want to know. Spoilers! The back cover is readable here: Spoilers!
I won't put it in, wouldn't I have done that already if I planned to? I'm not a spoilerer :) I'm confident that the picture is real though, absolutely confident. Btw, I'm User:Occono, sorry I ain't logged in.
The question at hand really is how we should change the article in light of this information. I should be mentioned but since it isn't from an official source, it can't be trusted totally. -- Cel e stianpower hablamé 07:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, It was right after all, so we should merge the article with The Penultimate Peril now. -Occono
... the page will be alot smaller, as the suggested titles will go as will the Evidence section. Anyone got any ideas as to what can be added when title is revealed? Squidward2602 08:50, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Probably, the cover will be revealed, and therefore the importance of the front Illustration (and possibly the rear blurb) can be explored. Smurrayinchester 17:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
When the book is published, this page should be moved to it's offical title. I think the two covers should go to the Evidence section.
All of these IP editors seem to be adding lots of random things in a nonsensical and unclear way to this article so I've now added the cleanup tag. It needs a major restructure and a separation of fact, opinion and guessing. -- Celestianpower hablamé 22:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Should the suggested titles be bolded or italisised? I believe not - it makes it messy and cluttered. However, if consensus is to have them bold/italics then I'm fine with it. -- Cel e stianpower hablamé 15:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I believe that bolding of the suggested titles is good, as it makes them stand out, and I don't think it makes the page look messy or cluttered... -- 209.122.225.118 19:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)CG
It was my interpretation that since the building trembled just as she let go, both she and the boat went tumbling to the ground. Unfortunately, she didn't have that nifty sheet thing that Violet did. Besides, it burned to the ground, so she's more than likely dead anyway. I'm not going to change the article unless someone confirms this. -- Doug teh H-Nut
Yes she is dead since pg. 349 says: " With a cry of pain and frustration, Justice Straus let go of the figurehead, and the building trembled again, sending the judge tumbling to the ground........" Without a doubt, she would have fallen to her death.
Maybe it meant she fell to the the roof? I wrote a story where I used "I fell to the ground" meant that the character fell down, but stayed on the roof.
But that would've been incorrect. If someone is to fall to the ground, they're probably on the actual ground. Otherwise, he would've said something like "and Justice Srauss fell"
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Where any characters (Poe, Esme, Carmelita, Strauss, etc.) officially named as dead in the book, or any hints given? I don't have the book yet, so I just want to know, because I've seen the page read about deaths and then edited to read no named deaths. Squidward2602 19:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
yes someone died in this book So, now that the book is out, who are the people on the cover? The one on the left is Kit Snicket, of course (the two pencils in her hair); I haven't a clue about anyone else. -- Michael, 19 Oct 2005
I removed the mention of who the cover characters are, on account of it's original research - and dubious at that; many of the supposed characters are only linked by gender, and the person who's supposed to be Hugo didn't resemble the actual illustration of Hugo within the book. Kit can be re-inserted, though, if there's consensus enough, but I'll revert any others (aside from the Baudelaires, obviously).
I've taken the bit about the Sebald Code on page 67 out of Plot Notes -- firstly because it isn't a plot note, and secondly because the exact same thing is already stated in Interesting Facts. -- Michael, 21 Oct 2005
It doesnt say that.it says:"i cant tell if you are associates or enemies,please respond".(this isnt part of it)Please respond
--Cc november 14 2005
Is Sir really on the "Dastardly side of VFD"? I might have missed something while reading, if someone could verify that he is, in fact even in VFD, that would be great.
Now that all the dust seems to have settled (and I finished the book JUST before getting Handler to sign it on the 22nd, literally, I was in the line at Neuqua Valley High School), shouldn't there be a sentence and a link back to "The Nameless Novel" game that was going for a couple of months? -- JohnDBuell | Talk 17:55, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
"On the first illustrated page after the dedication is a man with a cig in his mouth. He is the same man who appears on the first page of chapter 10(page 237). Also in the first illustration he has an envelope in his hand. It says J.S. Hotel Denouement.... That must mean he is the mysterious J.S. " I disagree, he could have been sending the letter, as opposed to receiving it. - jules_su
The picture in Chapter 8 show several men caring tools, yet the chapter never mentions anything about it. Well, I assumed it was the Seven Dwarfs, who are mentioned on the second page of that chapter. What is the illustration for Chapter 9 about, though? Anyone worked that out? -- Michael, 25 Oct 2005
after that it explains and it talks about a goat
Sorry, but the section about the plot is a mess. It reads like a bad acid trip. TheMadBaron 05:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Per the suggestion of some people on #wikipedia, I have proposed that The Nameless Novel be merged into this page. 90% of The Nameless Novel is not encyclopedic, and the remainder could be added to this page in a paragraph. As I know very little about the subject, I will wait to see if anyone else can do this merge before attempting it myself. -- Constantine Evans 20:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
This is what Lemony Snicket called them, and this is what they shall be called:
1. The Bad Beginning| 2. The Reptile Room| 3. The Wide Window| 4. The Miserable Mill| 5. The Austere Academy| 6. The Ersatz Elevator| 7. The Vile Village| 8. The Hostile Hospital| 9. The Carnivorous Carnival| 10. The Slippery Slope| 11. The Grim Grotto| 12. The Penultimate Peril| 13. The End
Who's Saying Otherwise? ~HTES -- Count Olaf 09:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Someone might ask Handler, but I think the odd trial where "Justice is blind" and the people in the court are blindfolded may have been influenced Ed Rosenthal trial in San Francisco that ended early in 2003. Keith Henson 17:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I want to make sure what the foreshadowing for the next book is in The Penultimate Peril's last picture. Any ideas ? -- AirLiner 22:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Bats. But that would be for THE BEATRICE LETTERS, so...who konws?
Uh, could you list other examples? They might be, you know, intresting inclusions....anyway, I think he just didn't want any clues at all about the end except for the hints towards the island in the books.
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When I read it, it was all messed up. It stopped and repeated thirty of the pages I had read up to the page I read then skipped a LOT. I think it may have been a printing error, But I cant tell.
Count Olaf
With all do respect,
Tay Baudelaire
A person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.12.255 ( talk) 01:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Just buy another
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Do you not think that the part of the book where Handler refers to some poem called the blind men ant he elephant or something like that changing the elephant to a reindeer should be stated in the cultural references ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.202.222.142 ( talk) 03:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the ending scene of this book and the events of september 11? It seems rather unlikely that an author could both write about a large, occupied building being burned (and destroyed) AND include a quote that specifically mentions skyscrapers falling without having 9/11 in mind. In keeping with the style of the other books in this series, this is a connection that children may not easily notice but an adult does immediately. Any opinions?
The Lousy Lane is a pretty unlikely name for the book, even if it does end up taking place there. Only one book (The Reptile Room) has been named after a place actually mentionned in the book. Most of them have taken place at alliterative locations, but none other has been named after it:
Furthermore, even those that have been named after the location use an adjective to describe it rather than the name itself:
I am aware the "lousy" is an adjective and that it accurately describes the lane, but given the above it seems unlikely that it will be used. Besides, at one end of Lousy Lane is the city, where books I and VI have already taken place, at th'other end is Uncle Monty's, which has been done, and in the middle is horseradishes. Not much room for a book there.
The theory can still be mentionned, but the paragraph about lousy lane should prolly go-- Signor Giuseppe 19:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Unofficialy. Don't look if you don't want to know. Spoilers! The back cover is readable here: Spoilers!
I won't put it in, wouldn't I have done that already if I planned to? I'm not a spoilerer :) I'm confident that the picture is real though, absolutely confident. Btw, I'm User:Occono, sorry I ain't logged in.
The question at hand really is how we should change the article in light of this information. I should be mentioned but since it isn't from an official source, it can't be trusted totally. -- Cel e stianpower hablamé 07:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, It was right after all, so we should merge the article with The Penultimate Peril now. -Occono
... the page will be alot smaller, as the suggested titles will go as will the Evidence section. Anyone got any ideas as to what can be added when title is revealed? Squidward2602 08:50, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Probably, the cover will be revealed, and therefore the importance of the front Illustration (and possibly the rear blurb) can be explored. Smurrayinchester 17:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
When the book is published, this page should be moved to it's offical title. I think the two covers should go to the Evidence section.
All of these IP editors seem to be adding lots of random things in a nonsensical and unclear way to this article so I've now added the cleanup tag. It needs a major restructure and a separation of fact, opinion and guessing. -- Celestianpower hablamé 22:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Should the suggested titles be bolded or italisised? I believe not - it makes it messy and cluttered. However, if consensus is to have them bold/italics then I'm fine with it. -- Cel e stianpower hablamé 15:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I believe that bolding of the suggested titles is good, as it makes them stand out, and I don't think it makes the page look messy or cluttered... -- 209.122.225.118 19:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)CG
It was my interpretation that since the building trembled just as she let go, both she and the boat went tumbling to the ground. Unfortunately, she didn't have that nifty sheet thing that Violet did. Besides, it burned to the ground, so she's more than likely dead anyway. I'm not going to change the article unless someone confirms this. -- Doug teh H-Nut
Yes she is dead since pg. 349 says: " With a cry of pain and frustration, Justice Straus let go of the figurehead, and the building trembled again, sending the judge tumbling to the ground........" Without a doubt, she would have fallen to her death.
Maybe it meant she fell to the the roof? I wrote a story where I used "I fell to the ground" meant that the character fell down, but stayed on the roof.
But that would've been incorrect. If someone is to fall to the ground, they're probably on the actual ground. Otherwise, he would've said something like "and Justice Srauss fell"
Othatzsokewl (
talk)
19:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Where any characters (Poe, Esme, Carmelita, Strauss, etc.) officially named as dead in the book, or any hints given? I don't have the book yet, so I just want to know, because I've seen the page read about deaths and then edited to read no named deaths. Squidward2602 19:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
yes someone died in this book So, now that the book is out, who are the people on the cover? The one on the left is Kit Snicket, of course (the two pencils in her hair); I haven't a clue about anyone else. -- Michael, 19 Oct 2005
I removed the mention of who the cover characters are, on account of it's original research - and dubious at that; many of the supposed characters are only linked by gender, and the person who's supposed to be Hugo didn't resemble the actual illustration of Hugo within the book. Kit can be re-inserted, though, if there's consensus enough, but I'll revert any others (aside from the Baudelaires, obviously).
I've taken the bit about the Sebald Code on page 67 out of Plot Notes -- firstly because it isn't a plot note, and secondly because the exact same thing is already stated in Interesting Facts. -- Michael, 21 Oct 2005
It doesnt say that.it says:"i cant tell if you are associates or enemies,please respond".(this isnt part of it)Please respond
--Cc november 14 2005
Is Sir really on the "Dastardly side of VFD"? I might have missed something while reading, if someone could verify that he is, in fact even in VFD, that would be great.
Now that all the dust seems to have settled (and I finished the book JUST before getting Handler to sign it on the 22nd, literally, I was in the line at Neuqua Valley High School), shouldn't there be a sentence and a link back to "The Nameless Novel" game that was going for a couple of months? -- JohnDBuell | Talk 17:55, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
"On the first illustrated page after the dedication is a man with a cig in his mouth. He is the same man who appears on the first page of chapter 10(page 237). Also in the first illustration he has an envelope in his hand. It says J.S. Hotel Denouement.... That must mean he is the mysterious J.S. " I disagree, he could have been sending the letter, as opposed to receiving it. - jules_su
The picture in Chapter 8 show several men caring tools, yet the chapter never mentions anything about it. Well, I assumed it was the Seven Dwarfs, who are mentioned on the second page of that chapter. What is the illustration for Chapter 9 about, though? Anyone worked that out? -- Michael, 25 Oct 2005
after that it explains and it talks about a goat
Sorry, but the section about the plot is a mess. It reads like a bad acid trip. TheMadBaron 05:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Per the suggestion of some people on #wikipedia, I have proposed that The Nameless Novel be merged into this page. 90% of The Nameless Novel is not encyclopedic, and the remainder could be added to this page in a paragraph. As I know very little about the subject, I will wait to see if anyone else can do this merge before attempting it myself. -- Constantine Evans 20:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
This is what Lemony Snicket called them, and this is what they shall be called:
1. The Bad Beginning| 2. The Reptile Room| 3. The Wide Window| 4. The Miserable Mill| 5. The Austere Academy| 6. The Ersatz Elevator| 7. The Vile Village| 8. The Hostile Hospital| 9. The Carnivorous Carnival| 10. The Slippery Slope| 11. The Grim Grotto| 12. The Penultimate Peril| 13. The End
Who's Saying Otherwise? ~HTES -- Count Olaf 09:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Someone might ask Handler, but I think the odd trial where "Justice is blind" and the people in the court are blindfolded may have been influenced Ed Rosenthal trial in San Francisco that ended early in 2003. Keith Henson 17:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I want to make sure what the foreshadowing for the next book is in The Penultimate Peril's last picture. Any ideas ? -- AirLiner 22:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Bats. But that would be for THE BEATRICE LETTERS, so...who konws?
Uh, could you list other examples? They might be, you know, intresting inclusions....anyway, I think he just didn't want any clues at all about the end except for the hints towards the island in the books.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 05:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
When I read it, it was all messed up. It stopped and repeated thirty of the pages I had read up to the page I read then skipped a LOT. I think it may have been a printing error, But I cant tell.
Count Olaf
With all do respect,
Tay Baudelaire
A person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.12.255 ( talk) 01:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Just buy another
Othatzsokewl (
talk)
19:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Do you not think that the part of the book where Handler refers to some poem called the blind men ant he elephant or something like that changing the elephant to a reindeer should be stated in the cultural references ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.202.222.142 ( talk) 03:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)