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2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline
2b)
reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)
Section titled "Site" needs to be pared down as MoMA is currently lost among the sea of far less interesting buildings. Only us architecture nerds care about, for example,
7 West 54th Street.
I trimmed down some of the other entries, but I think it is still helpful to mention buildings on the same block for completeness (especially 5-15 West 54th, which constitutes a National Register of Historic Places district and is located right behind the hotel).
Epicgenius (
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00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Hm, is there an article for them as a group? Or maybe put "5-15 West 54th" with a footnote linking to the articles?
~ Argenti Aertheri(Chat?)01:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC) Or move them to the last section? 03:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)reply
There is no article about these houses as a group. Each of the buildings has its own article, except for 13-15, which share an article because of their combined history. But there is no single article for the houses as a whole.
Epicgenius (
talk)
18:35, 16 August 2023 (UTC)reply
"H. Hobart Weekes of Hiss and Weekes had worked for the firm of McKim, Mead & White, which had specialized in Renaissance Revival structures, for 13 years just prior to the development of the Gotham Hotel." - I understand this sentence, but I'm not so sure it actually meets 1a
"Similar to in other Beaux-Arts buildings" - to or in, pick one
"The hotel is 20 stories high...Originally, the hotel was 19 stories high...After a renovation in the 1980s, the hotel had 23 stories." It's 23 stories in 2023, and was 19 stories until the 80s...when was it 20 stories? Ok, digging through the citations it was
20 stories in June 1989,
19 stories (plus 2 basements) in 1905-1906, and an unmetioned number of stories
in 1987 (the apparent citation for 23 stories), but maybe 23 stories was in
the previous citation? It's paywalled so I can't check.
The NYT source says "The bulk of the renovation focused on the 23-story hotel's 242 guest rooms and suites". The hotel was built as a 19-story structure, but the ground level was divided into two around 1938-1939. The penthouse was added in the 1980s, so the hotel was 20 stories tall between the 1930s and 1980s.
Epicgenius (
talk)
00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)reply
"The third floor was devoted to private dining rooms.[16] The five function rooms have a combined floor area of 3,300 sq ft (310 m2).[28] The event spaces could fit meetings, weddings, dinners, and parties with up to 250 guests.[29]" - I can't work out which of these are historical and which are present. Switching the middle and last sentences would probably help, or ditching "spaces could fit" if that's still true.
I have reworded the sentences to clarify that the five function rooms are 21st-century features of the hotel, rather than historical features.
Epicgenius (
talk)
18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Any idea what the basements house now? That whole paragraph is written in the past tense.
"The hotel building also had a sprinkler system and a fire alarm system, which was a relatively novel feature when" - I had put this as something I could fix, because I thought it was a simple subject-verb issue, but I can't find mention of sprinklers in the citation
You can change "historic West 54th Street" to whatever you want and change what's in the footnote. It'll still be there, but it won't break up the flow of text.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline
2b)
reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)
Section titled "Site" needs to be pared down as MoMA is currently lost among the sea of far less interesting buildings. Only us architecture nerds care about, for example,
7 West 54th Street.
I trimmed down some of the other entries, but I think it is still helpful to mention buildings on the same block for completeness (especially 5-15 West 54th, which constitutes a National Register of Historic Places district and is located right behind the hotel).
Epicgenius (
talk)
00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Hm, is there an article for them as a group? Or maybe put "5-15 West 54th" with a footnote linking to the articles?
~ Argenti Aertheri(Chat?)01:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC) Or move them to the last section? 03:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)reply
There is no article about these houses as a group. Each of the buildings has its own article, except for 13-15, which share an article because of their combined history. But there is no single article for the houses as a whole.
Epicgenius (
talk)
18:35, 16 August 2023 (UTC)reply
"H. Hobart Weekes of Hiss and Weekes had worked for the firm of McKim, Mead & White, which had specialized in Renaissance Revival structures, for 13 years just prior to the development of the Gotham Hotel." - I understand this sentence, but I'm not so sure it actually meets 1a
"Similar to in other Beaux-Arts buildings" - to or in, pick one
"The hotel is 20 stories high...Originally, the hotel was 19 stories high...After a renovation in the 1980s, the hotel had 23 stories." It's 23 stories in 2023, and was 19 stories until the 80s...when was it 20 stories? Ok, digging through the citations it was
20 stories in June 1989,
19 stories (plus 2 basements) in 1905-1906, and an unmetioned number of stories
in 1987 (the apparent citation for 23 stories), but maybe 23 stories was in
the previous citation? It's paywalled so I can't check.
The NYT source says "The bulk of the renovation focused on the 23-story hotel's 242 guest rooms and suites". The hotel was built as a 19-story structure, but the ground level was divided into two around 1938-1939. The penthouse was added in the 1980s, so the hotel was 20 stories tall between the 1930s and 1980s.
Epicgenius (
talk)
00:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)reply
"The third floor was devoted to private dining rooms.[16] The five function rooms have a combined floor area of 3,300 sq ft (310 m2).[28] The event spaces could fit meetings, weddings, dinners, and parties with up to 250 guests.[29]" - I can't work out which of these are historical and which are present. Switching the middle and last sentences would probably help, or ditching "spaces could fit" if that's still true.
I have reworded the sentences to clarify that the five function rooms are 21st-century features of the hotel, rather than historical features.
Epicgenius (
talk)
18:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Any idea what the basements house now? That whole paragraph is written in the past tense.
"The hotel building also had a sprinkler system and a fire alarm system, which was a relatively novel feature when" - I had put this as something I could fix, because I thought it was a simple subject-verb issue, but I can't find mention of sprinklers in the citation
You can change "historic West 54th Street" to whatever you want and change what's in the footnote. It'll still be there, but it won't break up the flow of text.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.